How does your avatar look today ?

[pron1234]

🤢🤢

[Love Zhaoying]

Oh, perhaps it's a translation problem!

Got it.

 

[Quartz Mole]

Tempers seem to be getting rather frayed, and I've had to remove several posts.

Please, remember the forum guidelines:  

Quote

• Interpersonal Disputes or Personal Negative Commentary: If you have a personal disagreement, do not post about it on the Second Life community pages. Residents who have personal differences have other channels of communication available to them — private messaging in the forums, IM within Second Life, or chatting within Second Life.

• No Flaming: "Flames" are hostile or disruptive posts, or messages intended to incite an angry response. Spirited discussion and constructive disagreement are welcome, but name-calling and airing of grievances are not appropriate in our discussion areas. We will also not tolerate any post that encourages others to violate any policy of Linden Lab

For what it's worth, I think a new thread on "How does your avatar look when enhanced by AI?" might be a very good idea, not least since it could be argued that this thread is supposed to be about How does your avatar look today? rather than How can third-party software enhance images of your avatar today?   Those seem to me to be two different, though clearly related and equally valid and interesting, topics.

But that's just a suggestion rather than any sort of official ruling.

Whatever you post, though, please keep let's keep things civil.

 

Sembra che gli animi si stiano scaldando e ho dovuto rimuovere diversi post.

Per favore, ricordate le linee guida del forum:  

Quote

Controversie interpersonali o commenti personali negativi: Se avete un disaccordo personale, non postatelo sulle pagine della comunità di Second Life. I residenti che hanno divergenze personali hanno a disposizione altri canali di comunicazione: la messaggistica privata nei forum, la messaggistica istantanea in Second Life o la chat in Second Life.
Niente flame: I "flame" sono messaggi ostili o di disturbo, o messaggi che mirano a suscitare una reazione di rabbia. La discussione animata e il disaccordo costruttivo sono benvenuti, ma gli insulti e le lamentele non sono appropriati nelle nostre aree di discussione. Inoltre, non tollereremo alcun messaggio che incoraggi altri a violare una qualsiasi politica di Linden Lab.

Per quello che vale, penso che un nuovo thread su "Come appare il tuo avatar quando viene migliorato dall'IA?" potrebbe essere un'ottima idea, anche perché si potrebbe sostenere che questo thread dovrebbe essere dedicato a Come appare il tuo avatar oggi? piuttosto che a Come può un software di terze parti migliorare le immagini del tuo avatar oggi?   Mi sembrano due argomenti diversi, anche se chiaramente correlati e ugualmente validi e interessanti.

Ma questo è solo un suggerimento piuttosto che una sorta di decisione ufficiale.

Comunque, qualunque sia il vostro post, vi prego di mantenere le cose civili.

[SpiritSparrow Skydancer]

O

Edited November 6, 2023 by SpiritSparrow Skydancer
Cause

[Kathlen Onyx]

3 minutes ago, SpiritSparrow Skydancer said:

Wow. You are way out of line. I asked you about your other photos you posted as well.  My suggestion was valid . Your reaction is uncalled for. I think many would actually like a separate thread for unique and interesting second life avatars mixed in an AI environment.  But you do you and think what you think I honestly could care less. 

Did you not see the mod warning above your post? Drop it.

[Missy Starchild]

New fit

[Cinnamon Mistwood]

Waiting for the Rocky Horror Picture Show to start.  I went dressed as Janet.

[Scylla Rhiadra]

6 hours ago, Quartz Mole said:

For what it's worth, I think a new thread on "How does your avatar look when enhanced by AI?" might be a very good idea, not least since it could be argued that this thread is supposed to be about How does your avatar look today? rather than How can third-party software enhance images of your avatar today?   Those seem to me to be two different, though clearly related and equally valid and interesting, topics.

I don't want to get into this to-and-fro, and I'm not going to "argue" with anyone about this, in part because I can see validity to both perspectives. But I do want to inject maybe a quiet cautionary note.

Quartz speaks of "third party software," and I'm sure he specifically means AI in the context of this discussion, but that description could be applied to things like Photoshop as well, particular as the newest versions of PS (which I don't use myself) employ generative AI as well for a number of functions, such as generating backgrounds and such.

I think we want to be careful about how prescriptive we get here: there's an awful lot of "grey" here, rather than stark black-and-white. I don't like AI for a number of reasons (not least of which is the ethics of it), and don't use it -- but my pics here have occasionally been criticized for being "overly artsy" or, perhaps, overly processed. Which is fair comment: I DO edit my pics a lot. The ones that don't put my avi front and centre I tend to post in other threads, in part for that reason. We do have a thread in the "Art, Music, and Photography" forum that I specifically created for "artistic" images that do not obviously showcase one's avatar, for instance.

It just seems to me that it's going to be awfully difficult to settle on a "red line" for what constitutes "appropriate" and "inappropriate" here. Is this thread only for raw screenshots? That would eliminate most of the content here. (And we do have an old thread for that too.)

What kinds of "enhancement" are "permissible"? And who gets to decide?

I think a separate thread on AI (which I see Danielle has created?) would be very cool. But I think we should have a high tolerance for what gets posted here too, or we're going to get into some very swampy water indeed.

[Love Zhaoying]

2 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

I don't want to get into this to-and-fro, and I'm not going to "argue" with anyone about this, in part because I can see validity to both perspectives. But I do want to inject maybe a quiet cautionary note.

Quartz speaks of "third party software," and I'm sure he specifically means AI in the context of this discussion, but that description could be applied to things like Photoshop as well, particular as the newest versions of PS (which I don't use myself) employ generative AI as well for a number of functions, such as generating backgrounds and such.

I think we want to be careful about how prescriptive we get here: there's an awful lot of "grey" here, rather than stark black-and-white. I don't like AI for a number of reasons (not least of which is the ethics of it), and don't use it -- but my pics here have occasionally been criticized for being "overly artsy" or, perhaps, overly processed. Which is fair comment: I DO edit my pics a lot. The ones that don't put my avi front and centre I tend to post in other threads, in part for that reason. We do have a thread in the "Art, Music, and Photography" forum that I specifically created for "artistic" images that do not obviously showcase one's avatar, for instance.

It just seems to me that it's going to be awfully difficult to settle on a "red line" for what constitutes "appropriate" and "inappropriate" here. Is this thread only for raw screenshots? That would eliminate most of the content here. (And we do have an old thread for that too.)

What kinds of "enhancement" are "permissible"? And who gets to decide?

I think a separate thread on AI (which I see Danielle has created?) would be very cool. But I think we should have a high tolerance for what gets posted here too, or we're going to get into some very swampy water indeed.

So interpreted a certain way, perhaps also add a "Show us your raw photos" thread, and leave this thread as its always been: a happy mix of raw/edited photos that people seem to mostly not complain about..

[Shiera Kealoha]

[Zalificent Corvinus]

14 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

What kinds of "enhancement" are "permissible"? And who gets to decide?

Simple question, "Does it still look like a SecondLiife Avatar".

You want to photoshop in some colour corrections, or paint out some stray hair alpha glitch on your left eyebrow with a clone brush, fine.

You want to run it through Artificial Idiocy, so it ends up looking like a painting by the 17th C Dutch pervert, Van Clump ( painter of the infamous "Fallen Madonna with the big boobies" ) and which doesn't look anything like your actual avatar worn in the shoot, take it to the Artificial Idiocy thread.

[Marigold Devin]

.

Edited November 6, 2023 by Marigold Devin
gone back to bed

[Scylla Rhiadra]

15 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

So interpreted a certain way, perhaps also add a "Show us your raw photos" thread, and leave this thread as its always been: a happy mix of raw/edited photos that people seem to mostly not complain about..

Well, we DO have this thread, started by Seicher some time ago. It's been neglected, but it already has a pretty high number of pages.

 

[Scylla Rhiadra]

2 minutes ago, Zalificent Corvinus said:

Simple question, "Does it still look like a SecondLiife Avatar".

You want to photoshop in some colour corrections, or paint out some stray hair alpha glitch on your left eyebrow with a clone brush, fine.

You want to run it through Artificial Idiocy, so it ends up looking like a painting by the 17th C Dutch pervert, Van Clump ( painter of the infamous "Fallen Madonna with the big boobies" ) and which doesn't look anything like your actual avatar worn in the shoot, take it to the Artificial Idiocy thread.

As a HUGE fan of Van Clump (not to mention of his "big boobies") I take exception to this comment!

Yeah, it's probably true that most of us can spot an AI-generated image, or even one that has been enhanced by AI, a mile off. And I don't like them myself.

But I also don't care that much? It's just a picture thread, and we have everything here from the massively overly-processed (/me raises her hand in shame) to the extremely amateurish. Personally, I kind of like that, much as I tend to skim over (and grumble under my breath about) AI-generated stuff.

[Shiera Kealoha]

7 hours ago, pron1234 said:

per una foto ho usato l'intelligenza artificiale mea culpa this one

Post your actual avatar, not this stuff. There's a difference between manipulating a picture of your avatar to have a more realistic smile and full-on AI generated images, such as this. 

[Zalificent Corvinus]

9 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

As a HUGE fan of Van Clump (not to mention of his "big boobies") I take exception to this comment!

Hey, If we go to the Porn Museum in Amsterdam, about half way along the Dam between the central rail station and Dam Platz, well, there she is, van Clump's masterpiece.

 

But I'd have thought a thread called "What does YOUR AVATAR look like today", should contain pictures that look, pretty much, like YOUR AVATAR, the day you took the original snapshot.

Just call me picky that way.

 

"Fake Van Clump pictures with Artificial Idiocy" sounds like a completely different thread topic to me.

Edited November 6, 2023 by Zalificent Corvinus

[Zalificent Corvinus]

This isn't how I look today, this is LAST week, but hey, it DOES look like the avatar I was wearing when I clicked the "take snapshot" button.

No Artificial Idiocy was used. Image originates in 100% Meatware.

Edited November 6, 2023 by Zalificent Corvinus

[Robberinthemuseum]

 🤫

Edited November 6, 2023 by Robberinthemuseum
Mean spirited post

[Robberinthemuseum]

9 hours ago, Rowan Amore said:

All my shots are raw as well.  I do.think it's a great idea to have a thread devoted to photo manipulations as more people seem to be getting interested in that form.  May the thread could include the raw shot as well.  Before and after.

Oh now this is interesting. For the ai software, you just take a heashot and type in keywords. It generates multiple versions you can choose from. Here is mine. I like to call it, "Irish bar, aquarium" it's a lot of fun to make them. My friend Freddy Lexington sells them. I don't know which program he's using. I would love to see what you come up with if you made some of your avatar. 

[Robberinthemuseum]

Up to no good 🐺 

Edited November 6, 2023 by Robberinthemuseum

[Orwar]

2 hours ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

I think we want to be careful about how prescriptive we get here: there's an awful lot of "grey" here, rather than stark black-and-white.

   I don't believe in 'raw' pictures. Many of the post-processing tools in BDW are essentially the same kind of tools you'll find in GeForce's Overlay filters. And is this one raw?

   It went straight from snapshot to disc to ImgBB (for image hosting) to here - it only uses one of the snapshot filters provided in the Firestorm snapshot tool. 

   That said, I think there's a huge leap going from raw/filtered/edited to 'reimagined and recreated from prompt by AI'. Then there's grey areas such as face grafting.

[Emma Krokus]

3 hours ago, Lunaea Lovely said:

An amazing picture!

And my first thought, ...looks like SLUV hairbase on EVO X !

[Alwin Alcott]

11 hours ago, Love Zhaoying said:

Oh, perhaps it's a translation problem!

Got it.

 

ongoing problems are easy to avoid

[Emma Krokus]

Thanks @PheebyKatz!

[Love Zhaoying]

Sorry if I'm so dumb.. * apologizes by bowing, then falling over *

I had a thought about the Title of this thread:  "How does your avatar look today?"

If a photograph from Second Life of your avatar is so heavily modified, that it would be unrecognizable by anyone viewing you in-world, then:

- Does your avatar really look like that 'today'?

- If not, does that make the post "off-topic"?