Paul Hexem

Probably the same as the price of potatoes. What?

While I'm not sure what that has to do with my request to cite sources, and I haven't said those two things are the same, I can absolutely play devil's advocate here. A software license can tell you how you can and can't use that property; For example, when I buy digital assets to make a game, I see things in the agreement like that I can't resell it directly, can't use it in games that gives the end user direct access to it, can't use it on Second Life (it's funny how often I actually see that one), but never "you have to sell your finished game for at least 60 USD."- and I suspect it's because of state laws like that California one I cited. As for not having a way to reject someone, I'd call that a flaw in the system. Or a risk you take selling it on this kind of marketplace. Or both. On this I agree with you, but it's sort of the point I was trying to make. Your local laws apply to you. So if your local laws say, like that California one, that suppliers can't dictate a retailer's price, I suspect you wouldn't have to obey that part of an agreement in SL. That said, I'd love to see a cited law or case law that says that it's different for digital goods than physical goods. I don't buy stuff with agreements that I don't like so I don't really have a dog in this fight. I just thought it'd be a good topic to throw up for debate.

Which thread are you reading? So far, the only evidence in the thread is FTC guidelines and a California case that says it's illegal.

That's why it's such an interesting topic. The laws have both upheld and tossed out portions of software agreements before, and it clearly says you can't dictate resale price, but doesn't specify software. Gotta wonder if that's a useful loophole or not.

Way to make my point better than me. If you do get an answer, I'd love to know it. Wouldn't be the first time that SL residents didn't know how a TOS works.

You padder, you. My bots don't walk around. Usually.

It's the bots. Freakin' bots... The numbers are padded, by alts and bots!

Your original post was gonna get you trolled so hard. As for this one, I can just say that I personally don't buy from people that have bad agreements, 'cause their products are probably bad too. I was just pointing out that in RL, courts have tossed out agreements that said sellers have to set a specific price (at least in some cases), and I thought it'd be an interesting topic since we see it in SL now too. Wondered if people worry about that sort of thing.

To be fair, I thought the beta grid was open to anyone with an active account? Although sometimes you gotta reset your password...

You can't seriously think that there aren't merchants on the MP trying to game these "features", including the terrible demo system. You're not that dumb. I will definitely agree though that these are all problems that LL can easily fix, if they weren't so bad at this.

Alwin isn't wrong. Many merchants absolutely are gaming the system with it. It's no different than keyword spam. Nothing like seeing a rigged (not fitted) mesh piece of clothing, and in the keywords are all the mesh bodies... This is no different.

Bingo. I've seen those estate owners and landlords, including some fairly prominent ones that have been around for a very long time, simply vanish without a word. Since then, if I want a location, I always pick a good sized mainland one.

Funny story, according to BMI, venues in SL are responsible for licenses for their DJs. SL is a legal mine field when it comes to DJs. Definitely do all the research you can.

Yeah, there really should be a section for patch notes, outages, news, etc. What we have now is third party websites, user submitted wikis, and meetings that only a tiny fraction of residents can actually attend, thanks to things like time zones and jobs. Let's be honest. Saying "anyone can attend" a meeting that happens in the middle of a weekday while they're at work is silly. Not everyone in SL is a retired old lady, after all.

Drown victim is a fetish. Or was that asphyxiation?

Oh, they did rolling restarts and broke it again? You'd think they haven't been doing this for almost two decades now. Even funnier, the grid status page says the issue is resolved.

I'm not sure that matters in this particular case, whether it's a toaster or licensed item like that, when we're talking about the original provider trying to set your price.

Until I can put it in my own group, return all the crap that isn't mine, rename the parcel to mine, it's barely renting. When you rent from private estates, you get all that. Also, that. If I have all the controls in that system, so does everybody else, and it's not so much my land as it is community land, so I'd want it for free or silly cheap. Personally, I buy mainland, and that's what I tell everyone else to do, too. No middleman between me and LL that way, and I get full control over the land.

I have to echo what others said. "Renting" by joining the group of someone that actually owns the land is barely renting at all, and is the minority. Every other situation when you get land, rent box or not, you get the land including all the land controls and abilities. If you're not getting full control over the land you're paying for, why pay for it? Unless it's massively discounted.

I'm not talking about a specific situation. I've just seen that sort of thing in the past. This is more a general discussion of just how enforceable price fixing in SL is.

Weeeeeeeeeeeeelllllllllllllllllllllllll.... Federal Antitrust Law Does Not Preempt State Law https://www.naw.org/govrelations/advisory.php?articleid=641 Since many states (not to mention the EU) have laws regarding it, I would think that that part of the agreement wouldn't apply to someone in one of those locations, at the very least. This falls under the DMCA thing. Anyone have much experience with that? If I lived in California and put something up on the MP for less than the price they said, then they filed a DMCA, and I countered it and cited that case, LL has to put it back up and the original merchant has to take me to court, correct?

My friend has recently started looking into retexturing and selling mesh clothes like you see so many creators do. However, while working with her, I noticed a lot of these mesh sellers have purchase agreements (we won't get into how including a notecard after the purchase doesn't count), and that these purchase agreements often say what price you have to list your merchandise at. Now, I'm no lawyer, and most of our fellow forum residents aren't, but in the interest of conversation, I gotta ask- wouldn't that count as attempted price fixing? Which, of course, is technically illegal.

This is trolling, right? "They told me they were 18!" and "I clicked some unknown links". Really? This has gotta be trolling. Or the worst nerd porn ever.

It would be nice to see SL updated to use any of the modern rendering functionalities available out there. PhysX is another good one that comes to mind.