Starberry Passion Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 1 minute ago, Sammy Huntsman said: But realistically, an actual girl would be wearing that under a shirt. 2 minutes ago, Chaser Zaks said: Really think you guys are overthinking it. Here is a graph: The TWI pup is the only "child" avatar I have, so I used it. Imagine whatever child species of choice in it's place. TL;DR: If it looks like a duck, and it quacks like a duck, it is a duck. (I.E. If it is designed as be a child avatar, and acts like a child, it is a child) Not many people use that ruler anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaser Zaks Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 (edited) Just now, Starberry Passion said: Not many people use that ruler anymore. It's just there for reference of scale. Height isn't a determining factor, but without it you wouldn't be able to tell how big the avatars in the photo are. It was the first thing I had in my inventory named "ruler". Edited May 2 by Chaser Zaks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scylla Rhiadra Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 (edited) 3 minutes ago, LittleMe Jewell said: The Child Avatar policy says that "child avatar content creators" must add a modesty layer. It says nothing about existing child avatar bodies and people using those without a modesty layer. That's a really interesting point, and one that LL could do well to clarify. ETA: Oh frick, I forgot that we're not supposed to tag Lindens. Edited May 2 by Scylla Rhiadra 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Persephone Emerald Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 34 minutes ago, Dorientje Woller said: So, some asked of pictures in SL. This is the base I am using, 1m55, petite and slender. Is this adult enough? Personally, that looks to me like a teen trying to dress more adult. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rathgrith027 Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 3 minutes ago, Sammy Huntsman said: I know this sucks, but you are either gonna have to comply with the new policies or leave. Again, I am sorry you are going through this though. I had a discussion with a long time friend, and long time Second Life resident, about a hypothetical "if you ran LL" ultimatum - Either keep adult content, or keep child avatars. Knowing how much adult content, as much as Linden Lab may begrudgingly acknowledge it, drives our economy.. I'd painfully have to show child avatars the door, were it my decision - It's something I wouldn't want to do, but to preserve my - our home, it'd have to be that choice. They said that sooner or later LL may have to face that ultimatum. It may not be now, but when this problem rears its' ugly head once more. That being said, I wish we lived in a perfect world where no one pursued *****, where CSAM and CSA was non-existant, and all lewd acts were done with consent, from those who can provide consent. But sadly we don't live in such a world. 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starberry Passion Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 2 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said: But a BOM tank top is not explicitly a "training bra." Which the second one is. And if you'll look closely, it has the AO shading to prove it. Kathlen's point, as I take it, was at least in part that these are being marketed for kiddie avatars. It's a bom training bra, she can put something over that. I am failing to see anything sexual about a training bra, I don't understand. They can wear that under their clothing. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleMe Jewell Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said: That's a really interesting point, and one that LL could do well to clarify. ETA: Oh frick, I forgot that we're not supposed to tag Lindens. I just edited my post. The FAQ covers it: Side note: I did not know that we were not allowed to tag Lindens anymore. Is that an update to the Community Guidelines or Forum Guidelines that I missed? Edited May 2 by LittleMe Jewell 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rathgrith027 Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 Just now, Persephone Emerald said: Personally, that looks to me like a teen trying to dress more adult. Eeeh, I'd say.. 18, maybe pushing 19? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayashe Ninetails Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 (edited) 6 minutes ago, LittleMe Jewell said: The Child Avatar policy says that "child avatar content creators" must add a modesty layer. It says nothing about existing child avatar bodies and people using those without a modesty layer. It sort of does if you take the previous sentence with it: "Residents presenting as Child Avatars shall be prohibited from the following: Being fully nude. Child avatar content creators are required to add a modesty layer which is baked into child avatar skins or bodies, is not transparent, does not match the skin tone, and may not be removed." Also from the FAQ: Q: I already have a child avatar that does not have a built in modesty layer. Can I still use that since I purchased it already? A: No. Going forward, child avatars will be prohibited from being fully nude. Edit: Oops! I see you caught that already. I'm slow, sorry! Edited May 2 by Ayashe Ninetails Added Stuffs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Huntsman Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 1 minute ago, Rathgrith027 said: I had a discussion with a long time friend, and long time Second Life resident, about a hypothetical "if you ran LL" ultimatum - Either keep adult content, or keep child avatars. Knowing how much adult content, as much as Linden Lab may begrudgingly acknowledge it, drives our economy.. I'd painfully have to show child avatars the door, were it my decision - It's something I wouldn't want to do, but to preserve my - our home, it'd have to be that choice. They said that sooner or later LL may have to face that ultimatum. It may not be now, but when this problem rears its' ugly head once more. That being said, I wish we lived in a perfect world where no one pursued *****, where CSAM and CSA was non-existant, and all lewd acts were done with consent, from those who can provide consent. But sadly we don't live in such a world. But here is the thing, as disgusting and weird those actions are. It is not comparable nor does it fit the defintion of CSAM or CSA. As there is an adult behind the avatar. That does not make it okay to do at the end of the day, but please do not water down the terms. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starberry Passion Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 1 minute ago, Rathgrith027 said: Eeeh, I'd say.. 18, maybe pushing 19? They said she was 18 - 19. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scylla Rhiadra Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Persephone Emerald said: As long as genitalia is not visible - even under mesh clothing - I don't see how a child or child-like avatar could be problematic. Well, the guidelines clearly state "a modesty layer which is baked into child avatar skins or bodies, is not transparent, does not match the skin tone, and may not be removed." Edited May 2 by Scylla Rhiadra 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BilliJo Aldrin Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 2 hours ago, Denim Robonaught said: You forgot Horizons community. Horizons is attached to Zindra, so technically its part of Zindra 😬 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowan Amore Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 3 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said: That's a really interesting point, and one that LL could do well to clarify. ETA: Oh frick, I forgot that we're not supposed to tag Lindens. Q: I already have a child avatar that does not have a built in modesty layer. Can I still use that since I purchased it already? A: No. Going forward, child avatars will be prohibited from being fully nude. People have until June 30 to.comply. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scylla Rhiadra Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 2 minutes ago, LittleMe Jewell said: I just edited my post. The FAQ covers it: Side note: I did not know that we were not allowed to tag Lindens anymore. Is that an update to the Community Guidelines or Forum Guidelines that I missed? Thanks! And I am pretty sure I saw something about that a while back, but I don't think it's actually in the Community Guidelines. Maybe I'm wrong, and just paranoid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathlen Onyx Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 2 minutes ago, LittleMe Jewell said: I just edited my post. The FAQ covers it: Side note: I did not know that we were not allowed to tag Lindens anymore. Is that an update to the Community Guidelines that I missed? See now I kinda feel for those that have child avatars that don't comply. I'd almost go as far as to say there should be some sort of compensation to replace at least the skin item in order to be compliant. Maybe a LL created skin? Just thinking outloud here. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madi Melodious Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 1 hour ago, Tommy Linden said: Hey there! I wanted to take a moment and chime in as the person who oversees our Governance team. I've seen some of you mention concerns over weaponizing the policy. I want to assure you that we are prepared for people who might attempt to use this policy in a less than good hearted nature. We have a lot of internal processes in place not just before we take action on an account, but also as part of our appeals process. We understand that we are human, and some times even we might make mistakes even with our own intentions in the right place. We work hard to ensure that no action is taken without full and proper evidence to support the action. In addition to that, our appeals process ensures that not only does the person who took the action is not involved in the appeal, but that the process itself includes a review from more than one agent as well. Thank you for this statement but I want you to know this one policy change will basically cost many of your residents years of work and thousands of dollars to comply with it. Some of us are not sure why we should bother any more. There are a great many child avatars at this time are down grading their accounts. We understand you are trying to do the right thing but this time you are punishing a lot of us for basically no reason at all. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BilliJo Aldrin Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 1 hour ago, Denim Robonaught said: Don't get me wrong, I do support almost all the rules about child avies. Having said that, not allowing kids on adult sims is just a blanket rule to make everything easier. Like no more kids on any sims where weapons can be used. When I ban a child avatar from my clubhouse on Zindra, can i set them on fire first? 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathlen Onyx Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 1 minute ago, BilliJo Aldrin said: When I ban a child avatar from my clubhouse on Zindra, can i set them on fire first? it's quite obvious that you don't like child avatars but that's not the topic here. 4 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Persephone Emerald Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 23 minutes ago, Kathlen Onyx said: Well right off the bat I found two things that should not be for sale in the MP. This was using just the key word "child" https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/Project-Cosplay-Gothic-Corset-Dress-for-Kemono/15758243 Also this for sure: https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/Lunacorn-BOM-Training-Bras/24289940 I don't see anything wrong with these pictures. What is the problem you see here? 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starberry Passion Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 3 minutes ago, BilliJo Aldrin said: When I ban a child avatar from my clubhouse on Zindra, can i set them on fire first? It's not a purge. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleMe Jewell Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 2 hours ago, Rowan Amore said: Are we now saying anyone wanting to play as a tween MUST use a specific body? Sounds like they will at least be restricted to bodies that have the enforced modesty layer. So maybe Maitreya and others put out 2 versions of the body, one with the layer and one without. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starberry Passion Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 Just now, Persephone Emerald said: I don't see anything wrong with these pictures. What is the problem you see here? Thank you, the usual age to begin wearing training bras is around 8 - 10 years old. I don't see the wrong in either of them. It's a bom training bra, she can wear tops over it. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SynergyOne Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. —Martin Niemöller 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madi Melodious Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 Just now, Starberry Passion said: It's not a purge. From our point of view it is. There are many child avatars that are very upset and some are even closing accounts. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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