What are your hopes and fears for Second Life Mobile?

[AmeliaJ08]

3 hours ago, Sam Bellisserian said:

The app ratings are there for parental controls. There are apps on the apple store that are rated 17+ that have adult themes. 

Reference

Age ratings

The age rating is a required app information property used by the parental controls on the App Store. 

There's a real mess of information on Apple's App Store policy out there, I can't seem to find a straight answer. The above would suggest that all would be required is a 17+ rating (weird age, usually this would be 18+ to be acceptable world wide) but you can just as easily find sources saying adult content like 'explicit' nudity or pornographic depictions are completely banned from the platform:

https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/34873

"18.1 Apps containing pornographic material, defined by Webster's Dictionary as "explicit descriptions or displays of ****** organs or activities intended to stimulate erotic rather than aesthetic or emotional feelings", will be rejected"

Edited September 17, 2023 by AmeliaJ08

[Jaylinbridges]

6 hours ago, AmeliaJ08 said:

but you can just as easily find sources saying adult content like 'explicit' nudity or pornographic depictions are completely banned from the platform:

https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/34873

That is essentially the same as SL reserves for Adult regions.  Nudity is allowed in Moderate regions.  Actually Apples' App rating system seems that 12+ would apply to Moderate, and 17+ apply to Adult.  General would apply to the "kids section" or under 12.  

And it is up to the parents to decide what to restrict their children to.  I don't see any problem here.  Unless you think 11 yr olds are entering SL by using an adults account and mobile phone.  That is not SL's problem.  This is just a lot of fuss for nothing imo.

 

Edited September 17, 2023 by Jaylinbridges

[Ayashe Ninetails]

1 hour ago, AmeliaJ08 said:

I really hope that the necessary changes don't have too much impact on the grid in general but maybe we'll start getting real age verification in SL?

They already tried that. It was around in 2009 or so.

 

[Flea Yatsenko]

3 hours ago, AmeliaJ08 said:

There's a real mess of information on Apple's App Store policy out there, I can't seem to find a straight answer. The above would suggest that all would be required is a 17+ rating (weird age, usually this would be 18+ to be acceptable world wide) but you can just as easily find sources saying adult content like 'explicit' nudity or pornographic depictions are completely banned from the platform:

https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/34873

"18.1 Apps containing pornographic material, defined by Webster's Dictionary as "explicit descriptions or displays of ****** organs or activities intended to stimulate erotic rather than aesthetic or emotional feelings", will be rejected"

As someone who works with larger platforms like this, they intentionally make them confusing and borderline contradictory so they can do whatever they want with regards to banning or keeping content on their platforms.

[AmeliaJ08]

2 hours ago, Jaylinbridges said:

That is essentially the same as SL reserves for Adult regions.  Nudity is allowed in Moderate regions.  Actually Apples App rating system seems that 12+ would apply to Moderate, and 17+ apply to Adult.  General would apply to the "kids section" or under 12.  

And it is up to the parents to decide what to restrict their children to.  I don't see any problem here.  Unless you think 11 yr olds are entering SL by using an adults account and mobile phone.  That is not SL's problem.  This is just a lot of fuss for nothing imo.

 

You can very easily encounter explicit nudity and depictions of sex (of all forms!) on Moderate rated land though? it just needs to be "behind closed doors" or whatever which doesn't really account for the fact you can cam in SL...

 

[Kathlen Onyx]

1 hour ago, Flea Yatsenko said:

As someone who works with larger platforms like this, they intentionally make them confusing and borderline contradictory so they can do whatever they want with regards to banning or keeping content on their platforms.

I just love these armchair Lawyers that think they know more than a platform on what is/will be allowed on an app.

Do you really think that LL doesn't have a team of their own Lawyers or that they haven't done their research before investing money into a mobile app?

[Jaylinbridges]

2 hours ago, AmeliaJ08 said:

You can very easily encounter explicit nudity and depictions of sex (of all forms!) on Moderate rated land though? it just needs to be "behind closed doors" or whatever which doesn't really account for the fact you can cam in SL...

 

You can cam, but if you are in a Moderate region and have explicit sex, then it is your responsibility to turn on privacy for your parcel or region.  You can cam, but you can not see anyone.  Security orbs can also keep you off that parcel.   Adult behaviour in Moderate regions is clearly allowed, even in Bellisseria.  So you can not "very easily encounter" explicit sex on Moderate regions.  Why do some of you spread the "sex is everywhere now" gospel, when it's just a lie?

 

Edited September 17, 2023 by Jaylinbridges

[Kathlen Onyx]

3 minutes ago, Jaylinbridges said:

You can cam, but if you are in a Moderate region and have explicit sex, then it is your responsibility to turn on privacy for your parcel or region.  You can cam, but you can not see anyone.  Security orbs can also keep you off that parcel.   Adult behaviour in Moderate regions is clearly allowed, even in Bellisseria.  So you can not "very easily encounter" explicit sex on Moderate regions.  Why do some of you spread the "sex is everywhere now" gospel, when it's just a lie?

 

Because they haven't actually cammed in on a house when someone is in it and has the settings correct. They would know that unless you are actually on the land when you cam in you don't see any avatars at all if they have the privacy settings correct. 

[AmeliaJ08]

2 hours ago, Jaylinbridges said:

You can cam, but if you are in a Moderate region and have explicit sex, then it is your responsibility to turn on privacy for your parcel or region.  You can cam, but you can not see anyone.  Security orbs can also keep you off that parcel.   Adult behaviour in Moderate regions is clearly allowed, even in Bellisseria.  So you can not "very easily encounter" explicit sex on Moderate regions.  Why do some of you spread the "sex is everywhere now" gospel, when it's just a lie?

 

Less of your stupid accusations please, I'm not spreading any gospel, I'm pointing out that moderate rated land means you can encounter sexual content.

 

 

[Persephone Emerald]

2 hours ago, Jaylinbridges said:

You can cam, but if you are in a Moderate region and have explicit sex, then it is your responsibility to turn on privacy for your parcel or region.  You can cam, but you can not see anyone.  Security orbs can also keep you off that parcel.   Adult behaviour in Moderate regions is clearly allowed, even in Bellisseria.  So you can not "very easily encounter" explicit sex on Moderate regions.  Why do some of you spread the "sex is everywhere now" gospel, when it's just a lie?

2 hours ago, Sam Bellisserian said:

Because they haven't actually cammed in on a house when someone is in it and has the settings correct. They would know that unless you are actually on the land when you cam in you don't see any avatars at all if they have the privacy settings correct. 

We are not required to set our privacy settings in Bellisseria so that no one can see in. We are not required to lock our doors or have no adult animations inside our house. We are only required to not advertise our parcel as an Adult sex place or engage in visible sexual simulations where people outside of our parcel could easily see this.

It would be easy to view sexual activities in Belli or any Moderate region, except that there isn't much going on that is visible outside of people's parcels. Most people have enough sense to turn on their privacy settings if they're likely to be engaged in such activities, but LL seems unlikely to me to assume it  *wouldn't* be visible on a mobile phone app.

[AmeliaJ08]

3 minutes ago, Persephone Emerald said:

We are not required to set our privacy settings in Bellisseria so that no one can see in. We are not required to lock our doors or have no adult animations inside our house. We are only required to not advertise our parcel as an Adult sex place or engage in visible sexual simulations where people outside of our parcel could easily see this.

It would be easy to view sexual activities in Belli or any Moderate region, except that there isn't much going on that is visible outside of people's parcels. Most people have enough sense to turn on their privacy settings if they're likely to be engaged in such activities, but LL seems unlikely to me to assume it  *wouldn't* be visible on a mobile phone app.

Hooray, someone who actually knows the rules on Moderate rated land!

 

[Kathlen Onyx]

1 hour ago, AmeliaJ08 said:

Hooray, someone who actually knows the rules on Moderate rated land!

 

OMG! I wonder if LL has even thought of this! It's really good you brought to their attention so they don't make some terrible mistake.

[CaerolleClaudel]

Back in the day I used Lumiya a lot. However, I was not expecting much of a visual experience, I was just using text. I hosted a couple clubs and did some other activities where I had to send out group messages, and Lumiya enabled me to do that at work during the day. I also could IM with people, and I liked that too. I am no longer in SL, but I feel any kind of mobile app at all would be of some benefit. Just IMO.

[CaerolleClaudel]

On 8/30/2023 at 3:37 PM, diamond Marchant said:

Hope that it works well enough on an iPad mini that is no longer necessary to take a laptop when I travel.

I would think iPads with the M chips should handle it fine? The current iPad Mini does not have one, though, and the next gen is at least a year away.

Personally, I would guess the biggest shortfall will be LL-related.

[CaerolleClaudel]

On 8/31/2023 at 6:25 AM, AmeliaJ08 said:

I really don't want or need SL on my phone so I just hope that the grid and its content doesn't change too much to accomodate it. Sounds selfish, is selfish but I'm being honest.

 

whispers, "Sansar..."

[Ashley Darkheart]

So is this going to poof since it runs on the unity engine?

[AmeliaJ08]

13 hours ago, Sam Bellisserian said:

OMG! I wonder if LL has even thought of this! It's really good you brought to their attention so they don't make some terrible mistake.

Who knows if they have? I'd be surprised if they haven't either but we're talking about something where no announcement has been made and there's an obvious conflict with App store policies. We're speculating, that's kinda the point of the thread.

No need to act like you do.

 

[UnilWay SpiritWeaver]

My biggest problem is screen sizes.

Mobile devices have advanced a lot in recent years and there are good odds many of us have better graphics on our phones than our computers - but the screen is just too small.

That hasn't stopped a lot of mobile action games. But it does change how people use them and interact within them. It will thus attract a different kind of user - even if that user is also using it on desktop, when they go mobile they will often use it differently simply because the perspective will look and handle differently.

Mixing the two kinds of users will often be awkward.

That's not a negative per se. It's just something we'll end up having to get used to.

 

[Jaylinbridges]

On 9/17/2023 at 1:09 PM, Persephone Emerald said:

We are not required to set our privacy settings in Bellisseria so that no one can see in. We are not required to lock our doors or have no adult animations inside our house

I did not say anything about requiring setting privacy, only that it is your responsibility to do so.  If you want to have explicit sex in your front yard and take no precautions to abide by the "behind closed door" policies, then you could be ARed if that shocked someone.  If you took precautions, then Governance will ignore your AR.

But, it is possible to have open adult sex in General regions too, against the TOS, but that won't stop some people.  So from this argument, SL should simply not provide any APP at all, in case a minor is shocked by visiting SL in any rated region.  There is no way LL could be so stupid as to limit mobile users to only G-rated regions.  They might change responsibility to requirement in their privacy TOS, and put the onus on the Residents in Moderate regions to assure no adult sex is ever visible.  Then they could ban stubborn residents who apparently want an audience.

 

Edited September 19, 2023 by Jaylinbridges

[Paul Hexem]

On 9/17/2023 at 12:17 PM, Sam Bellisserian said:

Do you really think that LL doesn't have a team of their own Lawyers or that they haven't done their research before investing money into a mobile app?

You ask that as if they haven't been successfully sued several times for their business decisions.

[Jennifer Boyle]

In reading about concerns that a mobile viewer will not be allowed in app stores because of potential access to adult content, I can't help but wonder if the concerns are valid.

I have Metachat, a non-graphical viewer on my iPhone. Admittedly, it's functionality is limited, and one cannot use it to view live video images of avatars engaging in adult activities, but it does have access to chat, IMs, group chat, profiles, and inventory, and it will display images from profiles and inventory.

In short, while Metachat is quite limited, one can access plenty of adult content with it.

It seems that an app that permits the user to access adult content in SL are already in the Apple App Store and has been for some time.

Edited September 20, 2023 by Jennifer Boyle

[Anicha Heartsong]

On 9/4/2023 at 1:49 PM, Zalificent Corvinus said:

The "bandwidth" slider is absolutely NOTHING to do with how fast your internet connection i, nor with how fast you can download textures and meshes via http from the Content Delivery Network.

It is PURELY a handshaking throttle for Client/Server UDP packets. if you have it et over 1500 , you're doing it wrong.

Why the bejeezuz didn't someone tell us that before? Now it makes sense. (Sort of. What's a UDP packet, anyway?)

Edited September 20, 2023 by Anicha Heartsong
typo

[Anicha Heartsong]

On 9/12/2023 at 3:26 AM, Rejeanne Cannoli said:

If it runs natively on iOS, then it's a hop and a skip from running natively on Mac without OpenGL, and THAT is my real hope.

Me too

[AmeliaJ08]

On 9/20/2023 at 7:14 AM, Anicha Heartsong said:

Why the bejeezuz didn't someone tell us that before? Now it makes sense. (Sort of. What's a UDP packet, anyway?)

They kinda have but as with all things SL it takes a few hours of reading many opinions and a lot of bad information before finding the truth I think Firestorm do clarify that somewhere though.

A UDP packet is just a type of message being sent over the network (internet) either by you or by the server. It is a packet used for communicating basically anything, for example when you move your computer sends UDP packets to the server telling it that you are moving. Crucially though and the difference between the other type of packet message - TCP - is that UDP packets don't request an acknowledgement, they're just sent and the server will not tell if you if it has been received or not. This makes them fast but considered unreliable but that's a whole other thing and doesn't matter much in this context.

TL;DR of all the above is that UDP packets are used in SL for communicating all sorts of things that don't require an acknowledgement of receipt and are used for lot of behind-the-scenes talking going on between your computer and the SL server.

 

 

Edited September 21, 2023 by AmeliaJ08

[belindacarson]

as long as I can just plain old text chat, from my own SL home, with no distractions or whining like the majority of this thread, I'll be happy.

 

having an orgy courtesy of my mobile phone, nah.