Simulated intimacy in SL vs the world ..

[Aiyumei]

2 hours ago, Ayashe Ninetails said:

I wouldn't say GW2 is a very sexual place because of that, though. Or WoW. Or TikTok. Or Reddit. Or *voice trails off for an hour*

Have you played WoW on Argent Dawn server and try the Goldshire experience?  There are legends about it.
That place in terms of roleplay is more sexual than many of the adult sims you will find around the grid.

[Ayashe Ninetails]

2 minutes ago, Aiyumei said:

Have you played WoW on Argent Dawn server and try the Goldshire experience?  There are legends about it.
That place in terms of roleplay is more sexual than many of the adult sims you will find around the grid.

OMG Goldshire. Yes! I played on Moon Guard. Talk about reputation!!! 😳🤣 You're very right - some parts of SL pale in comparison.

Apparently, it's famous enough for Urban Dictionary, even. It has an entry in there. 😂

[Scylla Rhiadra]

4 minutes ago, Aiyumei said:

Have you played WoW on Argent Dawn server and try the Goldshire experience?  There are legends about it.
That place in terms of roleplay is more sexual than many of the adult sims you will find around the grid.

I've had men try to pick me up on Twitter.

On Twitter, for God's sake, presided over by a guy currently in the running for Unsexiest Man of the Year.

No one needs to be told that there is sex online, anywhere. They already know.

 

[Coffee Pancake]

50 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

I think this is kinda the point. Yes, sex is ubiquitous, in RL as well as online. If I walk into a RL supermarket, probably 80% of the people there are having sex regularly! And occasionally daydreaming about it, talking to friends about it, etc. Crazy, eh? But that doesn't mean that the vast majority of them are living for sex. It's just a very important part of their lives.

But a supermarket isn't an elective entertain medium. I'm not trudging into SL because I ran out of snicker-snacks.

48 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:

In the Destination Guide...you keep missing that point.   You have to request your region be included that in most cases.  LL hardly has the man power nor.should they take.the time to search out each and every one of those sex places in regular search and do a little write up.  

 

No, I'm not missing the point.

The destination guide is elective and because of the rules and lack of base accessibility, almost nowhere elects to have their adult location sort of listed. The rules are deliberately discriminatory and (as we have found out), unevenly applied with some entries breaking the published guidelines or containing terms that SL itself blocks from searches within the client.

The majority of the platform is barely represented, inaccessible, and in many cases hidden behind search engine friendly wording (or are we pretending a southern plantation roleplay is something else and somehow a prim sex bad store from 07 is something anyone should be visiting).

Yet the search, the old search that you need a 3rd party client to access, shows a staggering wealth of content.

From a new user perspective, who doesn't know there're multiple different ways to find content would legitimately have trouble finding relevant active adult locations. As those locations are where the majority of the organised group social activity happens seems to me to be a problem worth paying attention to, especially when there is a high chance the user deliberately came here for that content.

 

I'm just sick of the shame and the pretense.

The previous powers that be demonstrated themselves willing to suffer complete & total loss rather than acknowledge the importance that adult activities and content plays in each and every single one of our social graphs, I do not expect much different from our current overlords.

The point everyone else seems to miss is that the minimum viable economy for SL is in the tens of thousands. We can't coast by like Sansar with 7 people, when SL does end, it will end with 30K people online wondering WTF just happened. 

LL are throwing money at platform improvements to try and address problems that have been happily ignored for a decade, as though they can slap some paint on the the render engine and that somehow catches us up.

Which makes me think we're lot closer to the end of that line that anyone suspects .. are we up for sale again ?

[Scylla Rhiadra]

1 minute ago, Coffee Pancake said:

I'm not trudging into SL because I ran out of snicker-snacks.

No, but I AM trudging into SL because I want to hear music, or go dancing, or buy something nice for myself, or build something, or take a picture . . .

I have no doubt that, at the front of many people's minds as they hit the "Log in" button, is the thought "I want some nooky."

I am equally certain that for a whole lot of us it is not even being entertained as a possibility. Even if that is, in fact, something that we DO end up engaging in during the subsequent session in-world.

5 minutes ago, Coffee Pancake said:

I do not expect much different from our current overlords.

Then why are we even having this conversation???

[Love Zhaoying]

20 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

27 minutes ago, Coffee Pancake said:

I do not expect much different from our current overlords.

Then why are we even having this conversation???

Sometimes people just want to vent?

[Aiyumei]

26 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

I've had men try to pick me up on Twitter.

On Twitter, for God's sake, presided over by a guy currently in the running for Unsexiest Man of the Year.

No one needs to be told that there is sex online, anywhere. They already know.

 

Good thing I DON'T use tweeter. I get enough message and friend requests from random men on facebook already.
But I'm honestly not surprised about it, considering that Twitter is the only major social platform that allows hardcore porn on it.

[Love Zhaoying]

2 hours ago, Rowan Amore said:

Not sure when we drifted from Destination Guide to regular search.  Goal posts must have moved on me.

I've been addressing the fact that Destination Guide, which was reference first and I responded to, does include Adult places.that people request to be included.  It's completely different than regular search for keywords.

And with that, since we've wandered off my initial response, I'll bow out.

ETA...From the Destination Guide, no keyword search needed...

https://secondlife.com/destinations/adult/clubs

I was catching up and just thinking the same thing re: goalposts.

"You can't find stuff in Destination Guide!"

People aren't submitting entries for Destination Guide.

"You can't find stuff in Search!"

Examples are given of stuff in Search.

"Search Rules are inconsistent!"

"Bad things are there, but not what I want!"

"The powers won't do anything!"

 

[Scylla Rhiadra]

2 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

Sometimes people just want to vent?

As one does. That's fine, if so.

But the entire premise of this discussion has been about changing the way in which LL promotes the platform, in practical terms, including comparisons with other virtual worlds and games.

If this is really about "sex gets no respect in SL," we can agree or disagree, but it changes the entire dynamic of this thread.

I've been arguing that there are potential costs to a shift in advertising. Need I have bothered if we're all convinced, including even the OP, that that's not going to happen?

[Love Zhaoying]

2 hours ago, Rowan Amore said:

Handj*b Hotel.is listed.

..that's handy to know!

[Bagnu]

2 hours ago, danababy69 said:

what's me name got to do with it? that's as bad as sayin 'look what youre wearin, you deserve it' ffs.. whilst me groups may have some'n to do with it, that does not however account for the other's it happens to like me SL mum, me SL sisters(who has no adult groups in their profile), me SL partner, some of me own SL kids.. and whilst i am but a small sample of the example of this happenin, i know loads others have the same thinger

I still have issues about the "look" thing. I certainly wouldn't wear an expensive leather jacket in an area where i know I could get attacked and/or "swarmed" in order to steal it. It doesn't make it right, but I don't care. I'll dress according to the criminal risk factor of the area, and the time of day (or night).

Groups are definitely an attractant.  My wife and I both have groups in our profiles that we have picked to deliberately attract sexual attention.  And it works. But neither my wife nor I have EVER been propositioned while shopping , or in a non-sexual sim. That could be because they aren't into our kind of sex though, and our groups make it clear that we like extreme.

[Scylla Rhiadra]

2 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

2 hours ago, Rowan Amore said:

Handj*b Hotel.is listed.

..that's handy to know!

 

In my day, we just called it "Back of the bleachers, behind the dumpster."

[Love Zhaoying]

2 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

If this is really about "sex gets no respect in SL," we can agree or disagree, but it changes the entire dynamic of this thread.

I've been arguing that there are potential costs to a shift in advertising. Need I have bothered if we're all convinced, including even the OP, that that's not going to happen?

The "stuff" is everywhere. "We all know it". If only the "stuff" was easier for people to find, maybe the "stuff" would improve. That should be possible, because other platforms have better "stuff".

Replace "stuff" with whatever you choose, and it's indistinguishable from many posts in this Forum.  Sadly, the specific "stuff" and an original poster's attitude, will determine the Forum response. 

[Coffee Pancake]

45 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

Then why are we even having this conversation???

because some of us have to at least try.

[Love Zhaoying]

1 minute ago, Coffee Pancake said:

because some of us have to at least try.

Great! What do you plan to do about it?

[Ingrid Ingersoll]

This just in, the lazy Sunday sale items are jockeying for position on the first page of the Second Life marketplace best sellers today, in some cases beating out the phatpussy and physics clock. I'll let people draw their own conclusions.

 

Edited June 22, 2023 by Ingrid Ingersoll

[Bagnu]

7 hours ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

No, but I AM trudging into SL because I want to hear music, or go dancing, or buy something nice for myself, or build something, or take a picture . . .

Yes, please trudge in to take a picture!!! I always look forward to seeing yours. I'm sure many others do to!!!

[Arielle Popstar]

8 hours ago, Rowan Amore said:

In the Destination Guide...you keep missing that point.   You have to request your region be included that in most cases.  LL hardly has the man power nor.should they take.the time to search out each and every one of those sex places in regular search and do a little write up.  

If I simply searched Adult content as you did, I get NO results.  I had G,M and A checked.  Same as when you search sex with ONLY adult checked.  With all maturity ratings and all other parameters checked, you get over 10,000 results for sex.

 

And that makes it clear as mud doesn't it. Thanks for pointing out the inconsistency in searching for Adult content. It amounts to hiding Adult stuff by obfuscation where one has to use the proper search guide, the proper Rating and the right search terms to find what one is looking for when it comes to adult content. 

[Rowan Amore]

35 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said:

And that makes it clear as mud doesn't it. Thanks for pointing out the inconsistency in searching for Adult content. It amounts to hiding Adult stuff by obfuscation where one has to use the proper search guide, the proper Rating and the right search terms to find what one is looking for when it comes to adult content. 

It's actually a broken search issue (as Prok has mentioned) that has been going on for a couple of years.  My search for Sex showed 10,000+ results when using G,M and A.  When people enable Adult, they seldom disable G and M.  That is what Coffee's results were showing.  With ONLY Adult checked, no results for Sex.  That clearly shows search is not working and not a deliberate attempt to hide adult content.  If they WERE trying to hide it, they certainly wouldn't let it show when G and M were also checked.

 

[Kathlen Onyx]

I have a hard time thinking that LL is hiding this stuff on purpose.  I mean they allow nudity and sexually explicit things in profiles and also some of the stuff I've seen without having to "look" for it is enough to make even the kinkiest person cringe.

They can't even fix friends showing up on our friends list but they can create an algorithm to hide all adult content?  I doubt it. 

IF a newbie sticks around enough to want to get into adult intimacy here they find it.

One thing that might help is better advertising In-World where the actual users are.  I've only been here five years but I know where to find all the adult venues or where not to find them.  You have to put most of the blame on the user. If they want it bad enough, they will find it.

Edited June 22, 2023 by Sam1 Bellisserian

[Arielle Popstar]

4 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:

It's actually a broken search issue (as Prok has mentioned) that has been going on for a couple of years.  My search for Sex showed 10,000+ results when using G,M and A.  When people enable Adult, they seldom disable G and M.  That is what Coffee's results were showing.  With ONLY Adult checked, no results for Sex.  That clearly shows search is not working and not a deliberate attempt to hide adult content.  If they WERE trying to hide it, they certainly wouldn't let it show when G and M were also checked.

 

I am one of those who does disable G and M or at least have in past and because of the lack of results, stopped using it. By the process of elimination the sex term only is relevant for Moderate so though you point out it must be broken, the fact it has been so for a long time suggests the lack of a fix is by design.

[Rowan Amore]

15 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said:

I am one of those who does disable G and M

Of course you are.  I expected nothing less.

Search being broken effects more than searching for Adult content.  It effects rentals as well which is what Prok has discussed in the past.  Having a broken search by design or not fixing it on purpose is kind of a stretch but you're welcome to think so.

[Arielle Popstar]

14 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:

Search being broken effects more than searching for Adult content.  It effects rentals as well which is what Prok has discussed in the past.  Having a broken search by design or not fixing it on purpose is kind of a stretch but you're welcome to think so.

Well otherwise we would be left with that they don't know how. Considering they have 250 people on staff, it certainly can't be that they don't have the manpower.

[Paul Hexem]

10 hours ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

If I walk into a RL supermarket, probably 80% of the people there are having sex regularly! 

You don't know that. Unless you mean like... In the supermarket. Wait, what supermarket?

[Bagnu]

8 minutes ago, Paul Hexem said:

You don't know that. Unless you mean like... In the supermarket. Wait, what supermarket?

It would be interesting to take a survey. "Excuse me,...Sir... Are you having sex regularly"?

Edited June 22, 2023 by Bagnu