Adult Premium

[skepwith]

15 minutes ago, Persephone Emerald said:

I think LL should complete development of Zindra's coast and roads.

I'd say the surest sign that LL has no intention of putting any effort into adult areas is that big missing chunk of Zindra. Filling that in would be almost free money, even if it were all just Corsican moonscape to the coast.

[Qie Niangao]

The rules about maturity ratings are really not as tolerant as this thread might lead you to believe. Zindra and Adult-rated estate regions are not only about adult commerce.

It is true that avatar behaviors permitted on Adult land are also permitted on Mature land as long as it's "behind closed doors." It is less clear whether merely flipping the "now you see me, now you don't" avatar visibility button on that Mature parcel is actually good enough to make such behaviors permissible out in the open. Indeed, a literal reading of the relevant section of the official Adult Content FAQ would require that the Moderate land be closed group-access only, have avatar visibility disabled, and all adult activity be enclosed, because "you must make every reasonable effort to ensure that the parcel is private." 

But the Maturity ratings rules require more than that. Any adult media ever play on the parcel? If it's parcel media or audio, parcel access definitely must be restricted to a non-open group only,  But if it's MoaP? Good luck restricting that to a parcel. And any adult gestures or sounds? better make sure that's parcel-restricted, too, along with voice.

It's just less fraught to do your Adult stuff on Adult-rated regions.

But I don't see a burning need for an Adult version of Bellisseria. There are plenty of Adult estate rentals, and Zindra is fine for Premium members. A little pricey, but not prohibitive. A little tricky to find an attractive spot, but it can be done. Ask nicely and somebody might give you a tour wink wink.

[GamblinFreak]

lol if there's no interest in an Adult version of Belli because there are plenty of adult estate rentals would also mean there is NO NEED for a moderate linden home as well because there are tons of moderate rentals lol i guarantee you most of you thought what u said made sense huh? lol 

[Ceka Cianci]

8 minutes ago, GamblinFreak said:

lol if there's no interest in an Adult version of Belli because there are plenty of adult estate rentals would also mean there is NO NEED for a moderate linden home as well because there are tons of moderate rentals lol i guarantee you most of you thought what u said made sense huh? lol 

There is though if you understand what Moderate and General  is in SL.

General is rated for under the age of 18 from inside and outside you house. Moderate is rated for 18 and over ages..

Edited July 21, 2022 by Ceka Cianci

[Persephone Emerald]

7 minutes ago, GamblinFreak said:

lol if there's no interest in an Adult version of Belli because there are plenty of adult estate rentals would also mean there is NO NEED for a moderate linden home as well because there are tons of moderate rentals lol i guarantee you most of you thought what u said made sense huh? lol 

No. Your logic doesn't follow because there are far more people who want Moderate land than those who want Adult land. Linden Lab would of course want to keep the majority of it's customers happy and paying for subscriptions and tier. If catering to the majority of us helps them to do this, then that's what they're going to do.  

Edited July 21, 2022 by Persephone Emerald

[Qie Niangao]

Actually… in the half hour since I posted, I've come around to the view that completing the missing southeastern corner of Zindra with an assortment of existing Bellisseria homes, houseboats, trailers, etc. might very well be worth doing.

This would involve some continent design, sure, but isn't that dream come true for Moles? This would also involve some web development to offer Linden Homes of Adult maturity ratings (and the web team will fuss but stuff cookies in their mouths until it muffles the plaintive whining).

I'd still want some kind of market analysis first to make sure there's demand for this, but now I'm guessing there is. That's completely separate from whether there "should be" such demand. If it gives the market what it wants, who's to impose a Puritanical planned economy?

2 minutes ago, GamblinFreak said:

lol if there's no interest in an Adult version of Belli because there are plenty of adult estate rentals would also mean there is NO NEED for a moderate linden home as well because there are tons of moderate rentals lol i guarantee you most of you thought what u said made sense huh? lol 

Well crap, now I have to remember why I thought Adult was different. It actually is different because most Premium subscribers could use Moderate Bellisseria for their Adult pursuits, they'd just need to be a whole lot more careful than this thread makes it seem. But I've come around to thinking it doesn't matter what they could do, compared to the burning capitalist need to satisfy what they want to do. And now I'm thinking there likely are enough who will want a Zindra-flavored Belli.

[GamblinFreak]

You are most definitely not the MAJORITY... lol not at all.  the majority of sl is right now doing rl things offline or is online on sl partying, forming relationships, or running a business, not here in a forum with their noses upturned believing they represent the average sl user lol

[Ceka Cianci]

I'm wondering what good would adult rated Linden homes do anyways?

Only premium members could access those places.. It would be kind of a bad plan for someone opening a place up that is gonna have any success because it cut off a big part of the public..

Just think about all those new accounts that won't be able to dive right in..

You can't open a business in a linden home  or anything like one can you?

Nude beach maybe? You can open one of those in moderate. just not linden home moderate.

 

Edited July 21, 2022 by Ceka Cianci

[MoiraKathleen]

1 minute ago, Ceka Cianci said:

Only premium members could access those places..

While only premium members can obtain a Linden Home, you do not have to be a premium member to visit any of the Linden home regions.

3 minutes ago, Ceka Cianci said:

You can't open a business in a linden home  or anything like one can you?

No commercial activity (not even tip jars) is allowed in Linden homes.

[Abnor Mole]

10 minutes ago, Qie Niangao said:

This would involve some continent design, sure, but isn't that dream come true for Moles?

Not really. Sounds more like a nightmare really. Like being told to mate the back half of a school bus with a Ferrari "but make it look really cool or people won't want to buy it." 

[Solar Legion]

Oh for the love of ... Enough already.

1. While more than simply sexual content falls under the Adult umbrella, a good deal of it is allowed on the existing Linden Home and Vehicle Enthusiast regions within the confines of your home.
2. For the rest of that, there isn't all that much reason whatsoever for a Linden Home style Estate where just about anything goes (within reason, mind).
3. You do not represent anyone outside of yourself, either - cease pretending to speak for anyone outside of yourself. 
   1. You. Are. Not. A. Voice. For. Other. Users. Deal with it.
4. Linden Lab may or may not eventually expand its own Adult Region offerings - if they do, it will be after their own assessments concerning what their users want.

That about sums things up.

[GamblinFreak]

the point is this.... an adult belli would assist in sl being a place where people can meet and mingle with other likeminded individuals in a well landscaped community or maybe mingle with others they normally would not because of the scrutiny of such prudish moderate neighbors. lol a place i can use my adult boat on open water if i wanted and not parked on my parcel if I am lucky enough to attain a water parcel.  close minded people that believe that everyone else should be uptight and live their sl lives as they would irl miss the point of having a SECOND LIFE

[GamblinFreak]

and there would be a market for that Ferrari bus i guaranatee u loll

[Ceka Cianci]

1 minute ago, GamblinFreak said:

the point is this.... an adult belli would assist in sl being a place where people can meet and mingle with other likeminded individuals in a well landscaped community or maybe mingle with others they normally would not because of the scrutiny of such prudish moderate neighbors. lol a place i can use my adult boat on open water if i wanted and not parked on my parcel if I am lucky enough to attain a water parcel.  close minded people that believe that everyone else should be uptight and live their sl lives as they would irl miss the point of having a SECOND LIFE

Taking someone as knowing whats allowed in the rules to the best of their ability  and trying to relay that and then seeing that as someone is being a prude..

That seems kind of like, you're mad and diving into the insult game now..

[Ceka Cianci]

12 minutes ago, MoiraKathleen said:

While only premium members can obtain a Linden Home, you do not have to be a premium member to visit any of the Linden home regions.

No commercial activity (not even tip jars) is allowed in Linden homes.

Thank you for clearing that up for me.

[GamblinFreak]

lol

[diamond Marchant]

18 minutes ago, Solar Legion said:

Linden Lab may or may not eventually expand its own Adult Region offerings - if they do, it will be after their own assessments concerning what their users want.

I agree but would add "what would be profitable".

Linden Lab is already in the "adult content" business, albeit a tiny tiny tiny contributor given the relatively insignificant number of users in SL and the huge proportion of internet traffic consumed by adult content.

Linden Homes (imho) are about lowering barriers to entry for permanence. Land sales, auctions, rentals, estates, etc. take time to figure out. Linden Homes are wham, bam, thank you ma'am. (appropriate metaphor for this topic? i thought so too).

If Linden Labs sees revenue in lowering the barriers to entry for those who want to get jiggy with it, Linden Homes are a good vehicle. It is a DIFFERENT product than the current Linden Homes.... but at the end of the day (or night), it is just a product.

SEX sells.

Edited July 21, 2022 by diamond Marchant
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[Solar Legion]

1 minute ago, diamond Marchant said:

I agree but would add "what would be profitable".

Linden Lab is already in "adult content" the business, albeit a tiny tiny tiny contributor given the relatively insignificant number of users in SL and the huge proportion of internet traffic consumed by adult content.

Linden Homes (imho) are about lowering barriers to entry for permanence. Land sales, auctions, rentals, estates, etc. take time to figure out. Linden Homes are wham, bam, thank you ma'am. (appropriate metaphor for this topic? i thought so too).

If Linden Labs sees revenue in lowering the barriers to entry for those who want to get jiggy with it, Linden Homes are good vehicle. It is a DIFFERENT product than the current Linden Homes.... but at the end of the day (or night), it is just a product.

SEX sells.

That's nice.

Our views don't much matter on that in the end - Linden Lab itself must do its own analysis and come to their own conclusions.

That is all there is to it.

[Love Zhaoying]

15 minutes ago, Ceka Cianci said:

Taking someone as knowing whats allowed in the rules to the best of their ability  and trying to relay that and then seeing that as someone is being a prude..

That seems kind of like, you're mad and diving into the insult game now..

I'm lost, thought they were against adult stuff because everyone in SL is normal and boring. Guess I missed too much!

[Ceka Cianci]

5 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

I'm lost, thought they were against adult stuff because everyone in SL is normal and boring. Guess I missed too much!

I thought it was cause we just can't have it until they let us.. Somehow that makes everyone  in here prudes.

Remember the days when we were deviants? Ahh the good ole days..

hehehe

[diamond Marchant]

19 minutes ago, Solar Legion said:

Our views don't much matter on that in the end - Linden Lab itself must do its own analysis and come to their own conclusions.

Bingo!

I speculate that TooSL is very busy and has no interest in investigating adult Linden Homes. We won't be able to ask them about it until June of 2023 at SL20B. I am a bit suprised that Abnor chimed in on implementation details. If TooSL was into this, they would find a way to implement it.

Below, Abnor is responding to Qie's remark "This would involve some continent design, sure, but isn't that dream come true for Moles? " about locating adult Linden Homes in Zindra.

39 minutes ago, Abnor Mole said:

Not really. Sounds more like a nightmare really. Like being told to mate the back half of a school bus with a Ferrari "but make it look really cool or people won't want to buy it." 

 

Edited July 21, 2022 by diamond Marchant

[Ceka Cianci]

I just had to see if there was one!! \o/

This is when the internet shines.. because you just know if someone thunk it, it was on there..

Thank you intranets for the closure you give.

[Lindal Kidd]

3 hours ago, diamond Marchant said:

I would create a tiny continent of Adult Linden Homes and maybe charge more via a Premium Porn Plan.

This has already been done. The Horizons regions are Adult rated mainland, with pre-built homes, very much like the Belliseria Linden Homes. They have a double prim allowance as well. They proved enormously popular, and that is reflected in the asking prices on parcels available for re-sale. One could consider those exorbitant prices to be the "Premium Porn Plan premium."

So yes...LL probably COULD charge more for an Adult upgrade to Premium memberships. But I'll bet they've already run the numbers on that and decided the extra revenue would not justify the additional cost of building and maintaining more Adult regions.

[Coffee Pancake]

3 hours ago, Maitimo said:

For adult businesses and public sexual activity.   A brothel, a sex club, a strip bar, a capture-slave roleplay, a shop that sells ding-dongs and hoo-hahs.

 Non-commercial, non-public sexual activity doesnt need to be in an adult region.

This is exactly the kind if unhelpful rules lawyering I was talking about.

90% of what I do in SL could be done on G rated land, I would bet that's true for a fair chunk of everyone here.

Who want's to live on G rated land .. or use a G rated virtual world for that matter (remember LL are the company that bet the farm on exactly that prospect once already).

The rules specifics for A vs M rated land have nothing to do with why people want A rated land in general or A rated Linden Homes.

The primary reasons for wanting A rated land are social, if you can't fathom what those reasons might be, then you really don't need to worry about this at all.

 

[diamond Marchant]

1 minute ago, Lindal Kidd said:

This has already been done. The Horizons regions are Adult rated mainland, with pre-built homes, very much like the Belliseria Linden Homes.

I disagree. Linden Homes are about LOWERING the barriers to entry. Horizons have an EXTREMELY HIGH barrier to entry in that it costs in the $450US to $1400US range to get in.