Elon Musk buys Twitter to bring back Free Speech

[Paul Hexem]

3 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said:

instead of trying to pull me into an interpersonal dispute over misinformation policies?

You had to know what was gonna happen when you started this thread, though?

Trolling is only fun when you can plausibly feign innocence.

[StarlanderGoods]

1 minute ago, Arielle Popstar said:

I simply reported the news and not made any judgement on it. Where I stand on it is of no importance within that context. You on the other hand said this:

So why not expand your thoughts on your hate for Elon and Twitter instead of trying to pull me into an interpersonal dispute over misinformation policies?  

You pulled yourself, I didnt bring up the topic of misinformation.

And I have no reason to expand my thoughts, when you are not willing to participate honestly in the conversation.

[Silent Mistwalker]

[Arielle Popstar]

6 minutes ago, Paul Hexem said:

You had to know what was gonna happen when you started this thread, though?

Trolling is only fun when you can plausibly feign innocence.

In spite of having an account on twitter, I open it once a year mostly from misclicking the app on my phone but other than that know very little about it other then the reports of how many were banned from it during the last US presidency. What a few posters have already shared about it is more then I knew before I started this thread. So no, I had no real idea what to expect though I did suspect with some people here, I would find out.

/me clutches her innocence.

 

[Ceka Cianci]

33 minutes ago, diamond Marchant said:

The most generous thing I can say about this is that at least he is giving current Twitter shareholders a safe landing.

Twitters future path is fraught... consider place among competitors, current  trajectory,  and culture.

Twitter's place based on monthly users is  15th.  Zuckerberg is  first. Twitter barely edges out Reddit. Is that large enough to be the "digital town square where matters vital to the future of humanity are debated", in 280 character chunks.

Twitter is still adding users but it's rate of growth is slowing. Does Musk know how to lead a 16 year old company that he didn't start? His track record is in start ups.

Musk culture and Twitter culture are not aligned. My experience was that Silicon Valley people vote with their feet and sometimes it is a stampede.

In ten years he may look back and say "rocket science was easier".

I think it feels more like a digital public square than anything now..

The 280 characters posts end up just about everywhere in the public's eye..They end up on SNL, News, Talk shows,Blogs Youtube and just about anywhere on the internet, the radio and so on, .. If it's trending on twitter it's a really good chance we'll trip over it somewhere other than twitter..

Reddit and facebook never really have spilled out and gotten in the public's face as much as twitter has.

I wish all of those places would just stay in their containers.. hehehe

 

Edited April 26, 2022 by Ceka Cianci

[Arielle Popstar]

22 minutes ago, StarlanderGoods said:

You pulled yourself, I didnt bring up the topic of misinformation.

And I have no reason to expand my thoughts, when you are not willing to participate honestly in the conversation.

I brought up the misinformation policy as a readily available example of the censorship that has been brought up in news articles. I have no personal experience with it as I have never tweeted. You on the other hand sound like you have some good reasons to despise Musk and Twitter, so you have me curious as to what brought that ill will on.

[StarlanderGoods]

1 minute ago, Arielle Popstar said:

I brought up the misinformation policy as a readily available example of the censorship that has been brought up in news articles. I have no personal experience with it as I have never tweeted. You on the other hand sound like you have some good reasons to despise Musk and Twitter, so you have me curious as to what brought that ill will on.

Im not talking to a news article, I asked your opinion, do you think that the rules to prevent misinformation about the pandemic is a clear case of censorship?  Im not talking about a dictionary definition, but your personal opinion, Im sure you do have one, so please share it.

[Arielle Popstar]

11 minutes ago, StarlanderGoods said:

Im not talking to a news article, I asked your opinion, do you think that the rules to prevent misinformation about the pandemic is a clear case of censorship?  Im not talking about a dictionary definition, but your personal opinion, Im sure you do have one, so please share it.

I already did answer that.

1 hour ago, Arielle Popstar said:

It does not matter what I think. Censorship is the withholding of information on which people could make an informed choice. News Media is only supposed to report news information, not pretend it is a scientific organization that has all the answers.

 

[Ceka Cianci]

5 minutes ago, StarlanderGoods said:

Im not talking to a news article, I asked your opinion, do you think that the rules to prevent misinformation about the pandemic is a clear case of censorship?  Im not talking about a dictionary definition, but your personal opinion, Im sure you do have one, so please share it.

I'm not trying to jump in between you two, but that is a good question and I'd like to give a response to that..

Wouldn't exposing misinformation be better, so that it can be picked apart with facts, than letting it spread around in full strength to other areas?

If the argument gets put on the floor, it opens up both sides.. The misinformation could be disproved and weakened, not just in that platform but others as well.

[Pixie Kobichenko]

10 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said:

News Media is only supposed to report news information, not pretend it is a scientific organization that has all the answers.

To be fair- one can watch news coverage of any one event on Fox News & then flip over to CNN & be given a wholly different view point with accompanying information.  Which channel told the truth (or a closer version to it) & which has skewed with an agenda “facts”?  

[StarlanderGoods]

1 hour ago, Arielle Popstar said:

It does not matter what I think. Censorship is the withholding of information on which people could make an informed choice. News Media is only supposed to report news information, not pretend it is a scientific organization that has all the answers.

 Alright, I have a couple of issues with that statement, Ill try to articulate them.  If we are still talking about Twitter, the plataform is not a News Organization, it´s a social media plataform, most of the information and misinformation is being spread by regular users with no credentials.  We could call them opinions, but depending on the popularity of the account, a number of people might take them as fact.

The second is not even an issue, just an aside, acredited news organizations, at least the ones worth listening, will consult with profesionals related to the news, for comments, clarification, etc.  So while they are not scientific organizations, they (some of them) do plataform scientists, with their biases and all.

 

[Arielle Popstar]

6 minutes ago, StarlanderGoods said:

 Alright, I have a couple of issues with that statement, Ill try to articulate them.  If we are still talking about Twitter, the plataform is not a News Organization, it´s a social media plataform, most of the information and misinformation is being spread by regular users with no credentials.  We could call them opinions, but depending on the popularity of the account, a number of people might take them as fact.

The second is not even an issue, just an aside, acredited news organizations, at least the ones worth listening, will consult with profesionals related to the news, for comments, clarification, etc.  So while they are not scientific organizations, they (some of them) do plataform scientists, with their biases and all.

 

ok, so back to the Op, do you agree or disagree that:

“Free speech is the bedrock of a functioning democracy, and Twitter is the digital town square where matters vital to the future of humanity are debated,” ?

[StarlanderGoods]

23 minutes ago, Ceka Cianci said:

I'm not trying to jump in between you two, but that is a good question and I'd like to give a response to that..

Wouldn't exposing misinformation be better, so that it can be picked apart with facts, than letting it spread around in full strength to other areas?

If the argument gets put on the floor, it opens up both sides.. The misinformation could be disproved and weakened, not just in that platform but others as well.

Yes, in theory, that would be ideal.

However, one of the reasons I dont like Twitter, is the moderation, wich is completely inadecuate for its size, and is very often more concerned with putting out PR fires than making sure the plataform is welcoming or conducive to discussion.  Mostly automated and easy to game.

So the argument on the floor would be more like wrestling in the mud, if wrestling in the mud was determined by how popular you are, or how many bots you can buy to mass report your opponent.

Meanwhile, the cost of keeping the debate open, would be measured in lives.

[Randall Ahren]

18 minutes ago, Pixie Kobichenko said:

To be fair- one can watch news coverage of any one event on Fox News & then flip over to CNN & be given a wholly different view point with accompanying information.  Which channel told the truth (or a closer version to it) & which has skewed with an agenda “facts”?  

“There is no truth in Fox News and no news in CNN”.

[StarlanderGoods]

Just now, Arielle Popstar said:

ok, so back to the Op, do you agree or disagree that:

“Free speech is the bedrock of a functioning democracy, and Twitter is the digital town square where matters vital to the future of humanity are debated,” ?

I can´t agree with the sentence as a whole.  Free speech being the bedrock of a functioning democracy is half truth, there are always necesary limitations, but lets just say that I agree with that part.

The second part, claiming that Twitter is the digital town, I disagree completely, Twitter is, more than ever, a private garden at most. Full of biases and flaws, with little accountability and mostly concerned with profit.

[Finite]

Championing supposed “free speech” while dictating how a business manages its platform and scorning how news practice their actual free speech…. 
 

 

 

[ValKalAstra]

If this leads to Twitter's demise it will be a moment of sadness and relief. There is a treasure trove of information on there, artworks shared, friendships made, connections formed. It's been a central tool in political activism and at the forefront of social movements.

It also... has been a central tool in political escalation. The platform seemed purpose build for conflict and division. The character limits took away nuance and context in favour of clapbacks and soundbites. It allowed people to drag out of context quotes before hundreds and caused a resurgence of merry witch hunts. It accelerated misinformation and facilitated echo chambers. It made it easy to start hate trains for any reason. Personal experience: stating that I had found a certain action hero movie a bit dull (Black Panther) in a conversation with a friend. I had done so in the context of saying I find these movies dull in general but... nuance and context. Some stranger tore it out of context and I got a hate train for it with my phone needing to be turned off for a while as people started getting nastier and nastier.

I don't have got an answer on how the platform could have been done better but I feel like history will remember social media in general as the platforms that drove political divide with twitter being chief among them. So if this breaks twitter...  I'm sad for the good lost with it and for a venue of political engagement locked off. I also feel relief for surely there must be ways to communicate that don't encourage conflict, misinformation and hatred quite as much.

[Ceka Cianci]

3 minutes ago, StarlanderGoods said:

Yes, in theory, that would be ideal.

However, one of the reasons I dont like Twitter, is the moderation, wich is completely inadecuate for its size, and is very often more concerned with putting out PR fires than making sure the plataform is welcoming or conducive to discussion.  Mostly automated and easy to game.

So the argument on the floor would be more like wrestling in the mud, if wrestling in the mud was determined by how popular you are, or how many bots you can buy to mass report your opponent.

Meanwhile, the cost of keeping the debate open, would be measured in lives.

Maybe less lives cost as they could be more informed  with both sides of the argument being exposed..With people being able to spread more solid information.

If it's only half the argument and coming from one side of the political spectrum, especially in today's climate,  it's a good chance  that less will be informed with more solid information, which could cost more lives in the end, because the misinformation was put on the shelf rather than exposed.

I do agree that twitter board members are lazy and just threw something out there and slapped an algorithm on it and sat back..

Something was bound to give with that platform..

I don't use it myself or any of the others.. I won't let my children near it or any others like it as well..They're too young.. It hasn't stopped them from being exposed to it, which leaves me answering a lot of questions they have..

Honestly I hope the social medias pretty much crash and burn.. hehehehe

[Kalegthepsionicist]

next president ?

i think so lol

actually I dont believe the existence of free speech.

I live in real life ,

there are no free speech.

 

[Ceka Cianci]

48 minutes ago, Pixie Kobichenko said:

To be fair- one can watch news coverage of any one event on Fox News & then flip over to CNN & be given a wholly different view point with accompanying information.  Which channel told the truth (or a closer version to it) & which has skewed with an agenda “facts”?  

It used to be that you had to dig to find the original stories that were broken down in the news.. Now all you have to do is go find the unedited video somewhere on the intranets to see just how bad those two or any other news media is.. hehehehe

Honestly, the best way to be informed is by informing ourselves and researching ourselves, with things that really do matter to us..Today's political climate tries to get us in their fights and distract us from our own, more than ever before..

I can't remember who said this, but I liked it.. You can't save the whole world, but you can save some of it..

Honestly, both those places are about the worst places to get information to live by.. hehehe

[MalibuBratz]

I only use twitter for porn so as long as they don't tumblr it idgaf lol

[Ceka Cianci]

3 minutes ago, MalibuBratz said:

I only use twitter for porn so as long as they don't tumblr it idgaf lol

They really have that on there?

Well, I'm really glad I don't let my kids use it now.. hehehe

[Myntz Mysterious]

Meh, dont use Twitter. But still wouldnt mind owning a Tesla...

[JeromFranzic]

16 minutes ago, Ceka Cianci said:

They really have that on there?

Well, I'm really glad I don't let my kids use it now.. hehehe

Good call.

Yup, lots of porn stars and onlyfans personas are on twitter. Some of them even follow me, but I don't follow them back. (I do follow a few fetish models though...)

Edited April 26, 2022 by JeromFranzic
Replaced a word, bleh

[Evangeline Arcadia]

6 hours ago, Arielle Popstar said:

So the Twitter board has accepted Musk's offer to buy out Twitter and take it private.

Musk's statement:...

“ and authenticating all humans. .”

I'm really sceptical of how that's gonna be achieved or how it can be without having your complete identity stored by them online ...upload your social security number, passport, photo, signature, facial scan...or whatever...Would you trust a social media company to keep these safe?