flickr updates TOS...

[ErikWall]

On 3/18/2022 at 1:10 PM, Maitimo said:

Does anyone know if Fetlife would be a viable alternative? Do they allow screenshots/digital art?

Last I saw fetlife will allow the images, the question is orginization. If you just want to toss images out for show it works. Orginizing into albums I am not sure its there YET. I know its in the planning stage.

Another thing is who can see it. Some Fet users will be very interested espcially the SL Fet folks but any images posted on fet show up in the lastest posting wall. Agin comes down to audience control.

 

[Rowan Amore]

Just an update...Flickr is now offering a different level beside full membership.  I don't have ALL the details but this is what it says...$30 less per year than regular Pro.

Flickr Ad-Free will be a new subscription option which offers you an ad-free browsing experience for $3.49/month. This service will not include other features of Flickr Pro, such as unlimited storage and advanced stats.

[UnilWay SpiritWeaver]

Where do we stand in terms of good alternatives?

I have looked into newtumbl but it doesn't tell you if anyone is even viewing your stuff and it's feed and dashboard seem to time out on every use rather than display anything...

Has something surfaced which actually works and lets you know if you or anyone else has any level of engagement?

 

[sandi Mexicola]

I putting my NSFW photos on Deviant Art.  

[JeromFranzic]

On 9/6/2022 at 1:57 PM, UnilWay SpiritWeaver said:

Where do we stand in terms of good alternatives?

I have looked into newtumbl but it doesn't tell you if anyone is even viewing your stuff and it's feed and dashboard seem to time out on every use rather than display anything...

Has something surfaced which actually works and lets you know if you or anyone else has any level of engagement?

 

I think DeviantArt is probably the best flickr alternative. It functions similarly to flickr.

I have a newTumbl account but haven't used it much.

I have a tiny bit of SL stuff on a RL DeviantArt account. Thinking of creating a SL DA, but I paid $ for a 2 year flickr pro account a few months ago, so not yet... but DA is great as it's not limited to photography as flickr is (mostly, the addition of uploading video clips there is a recent development). That could help attract viewers who aren't into SL I would think.

[PekeNL]

How about.. Twitter?

[sandi Mexicola]

Just now, PekeNL said:

How about.. Twitter?

I post links to twitter that point to where I actually have my photos.  Twitter timeline goes by so fast that people only likely see for a brief instant.  but with Flickr and Deviant art, you can direct people to entire galleries of your work. 

[PekeNL]

So how is deviantart working out for people? Is it actually a decent alterative or is it mostly that the main brands of SL continue on Flickr because they can afford the premium?

[UnilWay SpiritWeaver]

On 9/8/2022 at 12:56 AM, PekeNL said:

How about.. Twitter?

That seems too connected to RL to be good for SL.

I won't even view people's links to that, let alone use it for my own artwork.

Edited September 9, 2022 by UnilWay SpiritWeaver

[JeromFranzic]

1 hour ago, PekeNL said:

So how is deviantart working out for people? Is it actually a decent alterative or is it mostly that the main brands of SL continue on Flickr because they can afford the premium?

Yeah, I'll admit I can afford the 2 year Pro account. It's also the huge SL community that keeps me aboard. Even if I was limited to a free account, I'd keep my flickr going because of the huge SL community that's established itself over time, one that is the biggest outside of SL itself as far as I know.

(It's also the same for anyone on Open Sim BTW. Many more of the OS pics exist on flickr as well.)

[JeromFranzic]

8 minutes ago, UnilWay SpiritWeaver said:

That seems too connected to RL to be good for SL.

I won't even view people's links to that, let alone use it for my own artwork.

I use twitter sparingly for my own stuff. I've little need to view it for other people's works as I can find plenty to view on flickr and a few other places. Of course if I do find something from twitter that leads me back to flickr, that's great!

[leannamaisl]

Pretty sure I am done with FLickr.  Account suspended and now they are forcing me to remove any photos showing any cleavage for frontal shots or skin above the thigh if I show an avatar from behind.  Not paying for a service that does this amount of censorship to any of its members.

Edited September 22, 2022 by leannamaisl

[Marigold Devin]

I gave up on Flickr many years ago. They still send me regular emails though saying I am in "violation" of not removing the excess photos and my account is at risk of being deleted. Delete away is what I say. "Violation" indeed. Did I kill their mother?! 

As for an alternative site on which to post, I am lost about that. I just save anything I feel is worth saving - and a heck of a lot that isn't - to storage sticks for now. I started an Instagram account, but then remembered I'm no longer 15 years old!

[UnilWay SpiritWeaver]

On 9/9/2022 at 10:24 AM, JeromFranzic said:

Yeah, I'll admit I can afford the 2 year Pro account. It's also the huge SL community that keeps me aboard. Even if I was limited to a free account, I'd keep my flickr going because of the huge SL community that's established itself over time, one that is the biggest outside of SL itself as far as I know.

What bothers me about the new Flickr TOS is not whether or not I can afford to get it, but that if I ever stop paying for it because I'm not using it that month / year - they will delete all of my Moderate and Restricted stuff.

So I could buy an account now and pay for it, but the moment I step away, everything I ever put up will get zapped.

Imagine if in SL, anytime you stopped paying for your premium, they didn't just take away your linden home, they deleted your avatar's entire inventory. That's the new Flickr.

So I went and 'deleted' my inventory first, on my own, on my terms where I could at least download it all for safekeeping. Now I just have to find somewhere to put it again. Somewhere that will at least archive it if not just restrict my ability to add to it were I to stop paying, rather than flat out delete it all.

 

[JeromFranzic]

59 minutes ago, UnilWay SpiritWeaver said:

What bothers me about the new Flickr TOS is not whether or not I can afford to get it, but that if I ever stop paying for it because I'm not using it that month / year - they will delete all of my Moderate and Restricted stuff.

So I could buy an account now and pay for it, but the moment I step away, everything I ever put up will get zapped.

Imagine if in SL, anytime you stopped paying for your premium, they didn't just take away your linden home, they deleted your avatar's entire inventory. That's the new Flickr.

So I went and 'deleted' my inventory first, on my own, on my terms where I could at least download it all for safekeeping. Now I just have to find somewhere to put it again. Somewhere that will at least archive it if not just restrict my ability to add to it were I to stop paying, rather than flat out delete it all.

 

I understand.

I keep backups of anything I upload online. I upload to several accounts: flickr, newTumbl, DeviantArt, gyazo, twitter, MeWe and sometimes tumblr. flickr is the site I use the most.

I think many photo sites are beginning to follow (or are already following something similar to) the LL/flickr model, and to me that does suck the life out of things but they do need to make their $$pr0f1t$$$ *shrug*. Just keep your backups handy and stable, I guess! 

[sandi Mexicola]

9 hours ago, Marigold Devin said:

Did I kill their mother?! 

LOL!

9 hours ago, Marigold Devin said:

I started an Instagram account, but then remembered I'm no longer 15 years old!

LOL again!  😆

[sandi Mexicola]

7 hours ago, UnilWay SpiritWeaver said:

What bothers me about the new Flickr TOS is not whether or not I can afford to get it, but that if I ever stop paying for it because I'm not using it that month / year - they will delete all of my Moderate and Restricted stuff.

Great question!  I hadn't thought of this.  I think, though, this is most likely the case.

[leannamaisl]

Also the "Virtual Photography" category update is basically censorship by segregation.

Already know a few people who have been suspended, for not categorizing their post as such.

This includes some people with Pro/paid accounts that I have chatting with since having all my issues with Flickr.

If you want even more of a reason to leave, read how both other flickr members and staff view "virtual photographers" on their forums.

 

[PekeNL]

Honestly. Since none of the 'alternatives' seems to suit the needs of people and they all go to different platforms.. Here's a challenge for someone:

https://github.com/frnklnchng/flckr

 

[SLIM Barrowstone]

well i have came across https://slushe.com/ and they won't flag you for the pics you post and i have seen alot of people from SL on it 

[Aiyumei]

2 hours ago, SLIM Barrowstone said:

well i have came across https://slushe.com/ and they won't flag you for the pics you post and i have seen alot of people from SL on it 

That's because the entire site is focused towards x-rated content.

[SLIM Barrowstone]

WELL  to be honest you can put whatever  you want 

Edited May 27, 2023 by SLIM Barrowstone

[SLIM Barrowstone]

23 minutes ago, Aiyumei said:

That's because the entire site is focused towards x-rated content.

smh and also i figured i would share that soo everything  dont have to be that just because you dont do what they do and also a real artist see past whatever the content is abd its all art and we are all artist in the end everyone  has they own style that brings people to like and see they work 

[Tiara Blossom]

I can confirm Slushe has no real interest in hosting SecondLife content. (I am Vanessa.. you should see me in the discord.)

 

I however have been working on a Flickr alternative called https://gridlife.online . It's launched and ready for users.

 

It is nsfw friendly and the only things I do not allow are already illegal.

 

I also plan to run monthly events and do artist of the week type stuff.

 

This is a serious passion project for me

 

If you have any questions, please do not be afraid to ask.

Edited May 27, 2023 by Ayaka Ayashi
Update

[Aiyumei]

13 hours ago, SLIM Barrowstone said:

smh and also i figured i would share that soo everything  dont have to be that just because you dont do what they do and also a real artist see past whatever the content is abd its all art and we are all artist in the end everyone  has they own style that brings people to like and see they work 

I also use slushe and have been using it since the initial announce of the TOS. Since then I havent seen any of the more talented artists post there. 95% of the SL related content in Slushe is adult orientated, and while I don't mean to be rude but the content is blatant and poorly made, from people who'd flood their Flickr profiles with hundreds if not thousands of screenshots rather than artworks, exceeding the initial limitation of 1000 photos for free accounts. That has been there since day one.

As a private service provider they can implement whatever terms of service they seem fit and they haven't cracked down hard on their TOS since they implemented them. To this day I still see moderate and very restricted photos posted by free accounts without any actions being taken.

A real artist will not care that much where they share their work, nor will get offended because some online platform updates their terms of service. There are plenty of alternatives out there.

Let's not forget that Flickr is not image hosting platform for Second Life, but for all kinds of artist. The Second Life community on Flickr is a but of small portion of all the users that share there. Let's not think that any decisions they have made in the past or will make in the future are directed towards us.

P.S, I'm not defending Flickr, I'm sick and tired of people complaining how a freaking private hosting platform that hosts the art of people of all ages decided they don't want some free users that don't want to pay a dime posting porn on it.