flickr updates TOS...

[Rowan Amore]

4 hours ago, Nikita Neuman said:

By newTumbl i also readed the TOS and they say the same NO Sexual Content, No Nudity or Explicit.

And i really loved to work with my Photos, i created in SL on Animare hundreds of Playmate Poses from real Playmates and i loved to experiment with the Art of Erotic Photos later to show it on Flickr as ART, cause it was Fun, but now, it seems we have no Place like Flickr to go, with create own Groups where we could invite others and give Beauty Awards.

I had on Flickr Likes already over 350 and i worked with Black Dragon Viewer.

Btw, did anyone tryed out that Website, i also found there some SL Photos--->

https://www.newgrounds.com/search/conduct/art?suitabilities=etm&c=4&terms=Secondlife

Idk, looks rather than only Anime and Manga Stuff.

And no nudity on newground.  

 

2 hours ago, DalNiente said:

Flicker has a thriving adult community outside Second Life content and I’ve been curious where they are going to end up. I’ve seen people say the Second Life user base is small (on Flicker) but I believe it’s a lot larger than people think. There seems to be some crossover with other communities and they seem to be in panic mode too. While they toss out various websites which might allow them to post there isn’t a “good’ one in terms of what Flicker had to offer.

Flickr is only disallowing adult content to free users.  That's the issue.  People want ALL  the perks but don't want to pay for them. 

[Nikita Neuman]

Well Rowan, not everyone is willing to pay 94US$  any many dont have a Plastic Card!

Offer some other Pay Methods would finaly be good, so Normal Bank Accounts get also accepted!

[Rowan Amore]

Normal bank accounts are accepted using a bank card. There must be extra fees included for you since in the US, it's only $72.

 

Acceptable Payment Methods:

Credit Cards (Visa, MasterCard, Discover, and American Express)

Debit Cards (with Visa or MasterCard logos)

Paypal (in app purchase only)

Apple Pay & Google Pay (not currently supported for in app purchases)

Note: Prepaid credit/gift cards, consumer cards & bank transfers are not accepted.

[Miles Beck]

49 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:

Normal bank accounts are accepted using a bank card. There must be extra fees included for you since in the US, it's only $72.

 

Acceptable Payment Methods:

Credit Cards (Visa, MasterCard, Discover, and American Express)

Debit Cards (with Visa or MasterCard logos)

Paypal (in app purchase only)

Apple Pay & Google Pay (not currently supported for in app purchases)

Note: Prepaid credit/gift cards, consumer cards & bank transfers are not accepted.

$72 + tax, which makes it $78.48 for me. For those of us who have been paying for Flickr Pro, we know how fast the price has been rising. 

USD prices, sales tax not included:

2018: $24.95

2019: $49.99

2020: $52.25

2021: $60.00

2022: $72.00

That's an increase of 188.58% in 4 years.

[Rowan Amore]

5 minutes ago, Miles Beck said:

$72 + tax, which makes it $78.48 for me. For those of us who have been paying for Flickr Pro, we know how fast the price has been rising. 

USD prices, sales tax not included:

2018: $24.95

2019: $49.99

2020: $52.25

2021: $60.00

2022: $72.00

That's an increase of 188.58% in 4 years.

Oh, I agree.  The price has gone up considerably.  But as people are finding out, there really isn't a comparable site out there for free.  Flickr isn't doing away with free accounts just placing restrictions on them because let's face it, they're in business to make money.  Just like LL raising their prices to make money.  Everything in the last few years has gone up.  Food and gas being 2 of the main ones.  Essential things.  Flickr and SL are luxury items.  Pay for them or don't.  Kind of simple, really.

[JeromFranzic]

10 hours ago, Nikita Neuman said:

By newTumbl i also readed the TOS and they say the same NO Sexual Content, No Nudity or Explicit.

You didn't read the TOS correctly. Nudity is allowed on newTumbl. This is the rating system.

https://newtumbl.com/ratings

[colleen Criss]

9 hours ago, Rowan Amore said:

And no nudity on newground.  

 

Flickr is only disallowing adult content to free users.  That's the issue.  People want ALL  the perks but don't want to pay for them. 

I do not see it this way for free users. In these days and time many can not afford to pay 70 plus dollars a year for a game hobby. 

[Nikita Neuman]

So on 500Px i got for my first Photo already 5 Likes and for my Second one also already 1, they seem to like it, also you can create own Gallery´s and follow other SL User´s.

But there you have to mark every Photo as Nsfw!

 

On Reddit i cant Post Photos, i tryed it dozend Times via the big  +  but it´s not reacting, in the Field where you can set a Photo shows up -->   "Drag and drop Photo here or Upload, both dont works.

 

Edited March 24, 2022 by Nikita Neuman
Edit

[Rowan Amore]

1 hour ago, colleen Criss said:

I do not see it this way for free users. In these days and time many can not afford to pay 70 plus dollars a year for a game hobby. 

And you don't have to pay it.  Just keep it G rated and under 51 pictures.  As you said, it's just a game hobby.  If it were part of a RL business/job, you could possibly write the cost off as a business expense.

[Kat Kassner]

The most disappointing aspect of this for me is that my flickr photos (and those of others) led to making connections with people, both work and social, that I probably wouldn't have met in-world. This change will drive many away from flickr whether i stay or not and that will limit those new connections.

Edited March 24, 2022 by Kat Kassner
typo

[Kat Kassner]

15 hours ago, Rowan Amore said:

And no nudity on newground.  

 

Flickr is only disallowing adult content to free users.  That's the issue.  People want ALL  the perks but don't want to pay for them. 

People want ALL the perks they already had. Taking things away from people is the problem. Features that people have used, put time into, etc. It would be a bit different if they brought in new features and didn't apply them to free accounts, that would be reasonable, but that's not what's happening.

[Rowan Amore]

25 minutes ago, Kat Kassner said:

People want ALL the perks they already had. Taking things away from people is the problem. Features that people have used, put time into, etc. It would be a bit different if they brought in new features and didn't apply them to free accounts, that would be reasonable, but that's not what's happening.

This isn't the first time they've taken away from free accounts.  Everyone used to have unlimited uploads.   Then, they limited free accounts to 1000 photos, I believe.   This blog entry explains a lot of the reasoning behind that limit and possibly why they're imposing more limits.  From 2019.

Why we’re changing Flickr free accounts | Flickr Blog

[JeromFranzic]

16 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:

This isn't the first time they've taken away from free accounts.  Everyone used to have unlimited uploads.   Then, they limited free accounts to 1000 photos, I believe.   This blog entry explains a lot of the reasoning behind that limit and possibly why they're imposing more limits.  From 2019.

Why we’re changing Flickr free accounts | Flickr Blog

That post has valid points. I already had my RL paid flickr account before this post was published.

Again, I don't like some of the division this is creating amongst SL users, but flickr has to get its funds somehow. They are trying to do it in a way that better preserves some user privacy and network integrity, however imperfect that process is.

(As far as virtual worlds, I have paid Tilla to add L$ to my Second Life account several times since April, 2021 but no premium account yet ... and donated some USD since last December to OSgrid, my Open Sim hypergrid home base.)

[sandi Mexicola]

1 hour ago, Kat Kassner said:

People want ALL the perks they already had. Taking things away from people is the problem. Features that people have used, put time into, etc. It would be a bit different if they brought in new features and didn't apply them to free accounts, that would be reasonable, but that's not what's happening.

Well said.

[Nikita Neuman]

11 hours ago, Rowan Amore said:

This isn't the first time they've taken away from free accounts.  Everyone used to have unlimited uploads.   Then, they limited free accounts to 1000 photos, I believe.   This blog entry explains a lot of the reasoning behind that limit and possibly why they're imposing more limits.  From 2019.

Why we’re changing Flickr free accounts | Flickr Blog

Read only that:    we’re certain that Flickr’s brightest days lay ahead,       Is that some kinda Joke?

Here are hundreds of Bloggers with Free Accounts sure, you Flickr Guys will start your own downfall, with that TOS, cause i read already Thousands who have Free Acc left the Website. And? What´s left will be a few Pros and Flickr will feel this soon, that we also brought them New Memebers etc!

But i say let them dig their own Grave!

Edited March 25, 2022 by Nikita Neuman

[Nikita Neuman]

10 hours ago, sandi Mexicola said:

Well said.

I got also a good Saying   "It´s all about the Money, nothing have changed!"   👎

[Nikita Neuman]

Now i´m finaly also test newTumbl and i must say, it works easy i found immediately our Secondlife Posters/Users, but what gets on my nerves that real users post their uninteresting real pictures to our community!

Btw, is there a Way, that we can ignore or hide unwanted Users with their Real Nonsens?

Tysm

[Rowan Amore]

2 hours ago, Nikita Neuman said:

I got also a good Saying   "It´s all about the Money, nothing have changed!"   👎

That is what most companies are in business for... To make money.  Not to give everything away for free.  

 

 

[Nikita Neuman]

Now listen Rowan, we FREE USERS of Secondlife, braught Flickr also some Users they made a Pro Acc, so we were like a FIGUREHEAD for Flickr, i remember me, when i was longer on Flickr, many from SL also came, joined us and even took a Paid Acc, yes a PAID!

So without all Free Acc, i see unfortunately Dark for Flickrs Future, cause Thousand of Thousands will say:  Flickr go to Hell with such TOS! and about that you can bet your Soul!

[Nikita Neuman]

Finaly i found what Flickr will do on APRIL 2022, so everyone know the Exact Method Flickr will prevail and thats an Excerpt of their new TOS:

The second change relates to non-public photo limits. Flickr is all about sharing photos, giving feedback, finding inspiration, and connecting with your fellow photographers. It’s a lot harder to do any of that with non-public photos. With that in mind, we’re limiting free accounts to 50 non-public photos (e.g. photos marked as private, friends, family, or friends and family. Read more about privacy settings on Flickr here). 

As Information for all still have Restricted or Medium Photos on Flickr!

Hope that helps everyone to see trough all this!

[DalNiente]

After looking into various other communities on Flicker I have to wonder once the adult content is locked behind paid accounts how Flicker as a whole will be marketed and who they are trying to target. Noteworthy photographers generally use other means of social media for exposure, Flicker is just another place to store and get exposure through various communities but some don’t opt for pro accounts. I don’t see Flicker advertised very often and with these new terms of service I don’t see very many new users showing up and buying up pro accounts given the price. It will be interesting to see what happens both short and long term. A few people here have speculated that these changes might mean they are looking to sell it off but with everything mentioned above I’d be curious as to who’d invest in it.

 

Passionate replies and emotions on this topic will be hard to understand for some on the outside looking in. @Kat Kassner mentioned social connections and friendships and that’s why this loss is so personal to users. Flicker or second life photography is an investment of time and money. Even the most basic of blog photos has a story behind it, even if it’s only known to the person who uploaded it.

 

1 hour ago, Rowan Amore said:

That is what most companies are in business for... To make money.  Not to give everything away for free.  

But fond memories don’t pay the bills. It cost money to maintain a vast amount of storage. Rown is totally correct and if it stings to read it… the truth isn’t always the easiest to hear or what we want to hear. Personally I needed to accept that over my needs as a “free” user.

 

I’m still unsure of where my work will end up since I do a little bit of everything. In the end I hope we all find a new home to have others enjoy our works. During my time on Flicker I exceeded any expectation I might have had and I’m thankful I had that chance. Good luck artists/photographers.

 

[Nikita Neuman]

3 minutes ago, DalNiente said:

After looking into various other communities on Flicker I have to wonder once the adult content is locked behind paid accounts how Flicker as a whole will be marketed and who they are trying to target. Noteworthy photographers generally use other means of social media for exposure, Flicker is just another place to store and get exposure through various communities but some don’t opt for pro accounts. I don’t see Flicker advertised very often and with these new terms of service I don’t see very many new users showing up and buying up pro accounts given the price. It will be interesting to see what happens both short and long term. A few people here have speculated that these changes might mean they are looking to sell it off but with everything mentioned above I’d be curious as to who’d invest in it.

 

Passionate replies and emotions on this topic will be hard to understand for some on the outside looking in. @Kat Kassner mentioned social connections and friendships and that’s why this loss is so personal to users. Flicker or second life photography is an investment of time and money. Even the most basic of blog photos has a story behind it, even if it’s only known to the person who uploaded it.

 

But fond memories don’t pay the bills. It cost money to maintain a vast amount of storage. Rown is totally correct and if it stings to read it… the truth isn’t always the easiest to hear or what we want to hear. Personally I needed to accept that over my needs as a “free” user.

 

I’m still unsure of where my work will end up since I do a little bit of everything. In the end I hope we all find a new home to have others enjoy our works. During my time on Flicker I exceeded any expectation I might have had and I’m thankful I had that chance. Good luck artists/photographers.

 

newTumbl is really very good meanwhile, better than 500Px or Reddit.

I am there already as Velvet Valour--->

https://newtumbl.com/search#q=Secondlife

 

Edited March 25, 2022 by Nikita Neuman

[Rowan Amore]

Newtumblr - Porn site   😅. 

 

[Nikita Neuman]

If you dont like it Rowan, than dont view it, easy peasy, isn´t it?

And btw i said already not every Photo is dirty Pornography or do you call Rubens the famous Painter a Pervert Guy? 😂😂😂

[Rowan Amore]

My point being, it's nothing like Flickr.  It was created purely to post NSFW content when Tumblr banned all that.  And let's be honest.  Quite a lot of NSFW pics on Flickr are cartoon porn.  People post X-rated videos of their avatars which isn't allowed on Flickr.  At all.  A lot of those I see are on free accounts.  

I know, I know... it's all about where to get the most likes and Flickr will still be that place.  Just sayin'.