Aktahar Kawadias Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 Hello If a Person rent a Parcel and makes his own Rules on it are they then above the TOS of Linden Lab? As example: Club owner prohibits transparent clothing on Adult Land TOS says its allowed. Owner say its not What is now correct??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3 Lillith Hapmouche Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 Of course they can. Their place, their rules. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 Cindy Evanier Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Aktahar Kawadias said: This is not logical that the owner rule is above the TOS. That would mean you can always bypass the TOS and this can not be wanted by LL. That way every one can ignore any Ratings and do Adult Action on Generel Parcel, cause the Person has it rented and can make his own rules on it. Thats not logical I don't think you have read the TOS specifically this explanation in bold that Rolig gave you TOS (Sect 3.4): "You may permit or deny other users to access your Virtual Land on terms determined by you. Any agreement you make with other users relating to use or access to your Virtual Land must be consistent with the Agreements, and no such agreement can abrogate, nullify, void or modify the Agreements." If a landowner on Adult land wants to be more restrictive than the Maturity Ratings allow, that's fine, because she is not allowing people to do something that the TOS forbids. That landowner may not allow people under the RL age of 18 to enter, however, because the TOS specifically forbids G-rated people in Adult regions. Edited October 7, 2017 by Cindy Evanier 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Rolig Loon Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 Lillith is absolutely right. Read the TOS (Sect 3.4): "You may permit or deny other users to access your Virtual Land on terms determined by you. Any agreement you make with other users relating to use or access to your Virtual Land must be consistent with the Agreements, and no such agreement can abrogate, nullify, void or modify the Agreements." If a landowner on Adult land wants to be more restrictive than the Maturity Ratings allow, that's fine, because she is not allowing people to do something that the TOS forbids. That landowner may not allow people under the RL age of 18 to enter, however, because the TOS specifically forbids G-rated people in Adult regions. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Madelaine McMasters Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 How is transparent clothing different from no clothing? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Cindy Evanier Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 14 minutes ago, Madelaine McMasters said: How is transparent clothing different from no clothing? Maybe going around with alpha layers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Rolig Loon Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 17 minutes ago, Madelaine McMasters said: How is transparent clothing different from no clothing? I remember reading about an Emperor who couldn't tell the difference either. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 LittleMe Jewell Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 A land owner can never be more permissive than the TOS and rating of the land allows, but they may always be more restrictive. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Aktahar Kawadias Posted October 7, 2017 Author Share Posted October 7, 2017 This is not logical that the owner rule is above the TOS. That would mean you can always bypass the TOS and this can not be wanted by LL. That way every one can ignore any Ratings and do Adult Action on Generel Parcel, cause the Person has it rented and can make his own rules on it. Thats not logical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Lillith Hapmouche Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 You can try to abuse report the owner, if you think that you found a suitable complaint. I wouldn't keep my hopes up, though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 LittleMe Jewell Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, Lillith Hapmouche said: You can try to abuse report the owner, if you think that you found a suitable complaint. I wouldn't keep my hopes up, though... It won't work. The land owner is simply being more restrictive on the maturity rather than more permissive and the TOS allows for more restrictive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Alwin Alcott Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 1 hour ago, Aktahar Kawadias said: This is not logical that the owner rule is above the TOS. That would mean you can always bypass the TOS and this can not be wanted by LL. it is not bypassing the TOS, it's the opposite.. it's even more restictive, I have a adult sim... but i don't allow public nudity on it, so in your words i break.. TOS.. i can assure you i don't And LL will hardly have any probems with users that are more restrictive. Think they give a sigh when seeing people as you complaining about it. Access to privat sims with stricter rules is not a right... but just a privilege given by the owners. If you don't like that... stay away. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Lillith Hapmouche Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 32 minutes ago, LittleMe Jewell said: It won't work... I know. But at least it will keep the OP busy and perhaps grant a feeling of being ... dunno ... a saviour of ethical credo. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Madelaine McMasters Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Aktahar Kawadias said: This is not logical that the owner rule is above the TOS. That would mean you can always bypass the TOS and this can not be wanted by LL. That way every one can ignore any Ratings and do Adult Action on Generel Parcel, cause the Person has it rented and can make his own rules on it. Thats not logical It has been explained to you by Alwin, LittleMe, and Rolig, that residents are free to create rules that are more restrictive than the ToS. Restricting people to doing general things on an adult parcel is permitted. Allowing (which is the opposite of restricting) adult activity on general parcels is not permitted. The rules, as explained to you, are logical. Let's carry your misunderstanding into real life. Suppose I live in a city/state/country that allows public nudity, smoking, and open carrying of firearms. Must I allow guests in my home to run around naked, brandishing cigarettes and guns? Edited October 7, 2017 by Madelaine McMasters Chasing commas around sentences. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Syo Emerald Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 3 hours ago, Aktahar Kawadias said: This is not logical that the owner rule is above the TOS. That would mean you can always bypass the TOS and this can not be wanted by LL. That way every one can ignore any Ratings and do Adult Action on Generel Parcel, cause the Person has it rented and can make his own rules on it. Thats not logical It is absolutly logical. The TOS is a set of hard rules. Like: You can't go further than that. For example: You can not run a brothel on an M rated sim, because that would mean going behond what the TOS allows. But of course, you can make rules, that restrict more than what the ToS does. In your words: Going below the ToS. Being stricter is not forbidden at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Rolig Loon Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 4 hours ago, Aktahar Kawadias said: This is not logical that the owner rule is above the TOS. That would mean you can always bypass the TOS and this can not be wanted by LL. That way every one can ignore any Ratings and do Adult Action on Generel Parcel, cause the Person has it rented and can make his own rules on it. Thats not logical Where I live, the law says that anyone can carry a gun if he wants to, and anybody can smoke cigars. That's the LAW. If you do either of those in MY house, though, I'll show you the door. In MY house, the law is "No guns, no cigars." Period. SL works exactly the same way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Madelaine McMasters Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 6 minutes ago, Rolig Loon said: In MY house, the law is "No guns, no cigars." Period. What about nudity? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Rolig Loon Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 10 minutes ago, Madelaine McMasters said: What about nudity? We'll negotiate. Prolly OK in the shower, though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Cindy Evanier Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 Just now, Rolig Loon said: We'll negotiate. Prolly OK in the shower, though. Turns on shower cam 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Pamela Galli Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 19 minutes ago, Rolig Loon said: Where I live, the law says that anyone can carry a gun if he wants to, and anybody can smoke cigars. That's the LAW. If you do either of those in MY house, though, I'll show you the door. In MY house, the law is "No guns, no cigars." Period. SL works exactly the same way. Conversely you can't declare murder okay at your house Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Madelaine McMasters Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 25 minutes ago, Pamela Galli said: Conversely you can't declare murder okay at your house What a shame. ;-). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Lindal Kidd Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 8 hours ago, Madelaine McMasters said: Let's carry your misunderstanding into real life. Suppose I live in a city/state/country that allows public nudity, smoking, and open carrying of firearms. Must I allow guests in my home to run around naked, brandishing cigarettes and guns? /me brandishes her cigarette at you! But no way am I going to shoot my gun while naked. Powder burns! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Administrators Kristin Linden Posted October 8, 2017 Administrators Share Posted October 8, 2017 Hello Aktahar Kawadias! This is an excellent question that I will be more than happy to clear up for you. As stated before in this thread, Region owners can have their own set of rules for what they wish to allow or to not allow on their land. However, they themselves must abide by our Terms of Service. The main thing to take from this is that our Governance Team cannot enforce a Region owner's rules for their land, as we only action on violations of our Terms of Service. For Example; A region owner has set a rule on their land stating that all visitors must wear Clown Shoes. A Resident comes to the region wearing Flip-Flops and is ejected & banned from the region. If the region owner submits an Abuse Report on the Flip-Flop wearing Resident for entering their region not wearing the correct shoes, we will not action it because it is not a violation of the Second Life Terms of service. The same goes in reverse, if the Flip-Flop wearing Resident reports the region owner from unfairly banning them from their region because they weren't wearing the correct shoes, we do not get involved. Now if someone is running a region and are allowing adult activity/content on a G rated region, for example, then that's something that can be reported to us and be reviewed for violating our Maturity Rating standards. 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Aktahar Kawadias Posted October 8, 2017 Author Share Posted October 8, 2017 5 hours ago, Kristin Linden said: Hello Aktahar Kawadias! This is an excellent question that I will be more than happy to clear up for you. As stated before in this thread, Region owners can have their own set of rules for what they wish to allow or to not allow on their land. However, they themselves must abide by our Terms of Service. The main thing to take from this is that our Governance Team cannot enforce a Region owner's rules for their land, as we only action on violations of our Terms of Service. For Example; A region owner has set a rule on their land stating that all visitors must wear Clown Shoes. A Resident comes to the region wearing Flip-Flops and is ejected & banned from the region. If the region owner submits an Abuse Report on the Flip-Flop wearing Resident for entering their region not wearing the correct shoes, we will not action it because it is not a violation of the Second Life Terms of service. The same goes in reverse, if the Flip-Flop wearing Resident reports the region owner from unfairly banning them from their region because they weren't wearing the correct shoes, we do not get involved. Now if someone is running a region and are allowing adult activity/content on a G rated region, for example, then that's something that can be reported to us and be reviewed for violating our Maturity Rating standards. Hello Kristin Thanks for this answer. For my own this post can be closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Callum Meriman Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 On 08/10/2017 at 12:38 PM, Kristin Linden said: A region owner has set a rule on their land stating that all visitors must wear Clown Shoes. Makes a personal to-do note: Install Kristin's suggested rule into my own regions. 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Aktahar Kawadias
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If a Person rent a Parcel and makes his own Rules on it are they then above the TOS of Linden Lab?
As example:
Club owner prohibits transparent clothing on Adult Land
TOS says its allowed.
Owner say its not
What is now correct???
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