Linden promoting primfeed

[Ayashe Ninetails]

24 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:

Full frontal nudity is rated Adult on many sites such as Flickr.  Nothing 'porn' about it but it's still 'restricted' content.  Same with the SL forums.  ANY nudity must be in the Adult section.   SL has different criteria, of course.  However, since a lot of people are already used to full frontal nudity being Adult rated on other sites, stands to reason that would work as well for Primfeed.

Technically, so is partial. Most major social media sites classify partial under adult and either allow it if properly tagged/blurred (Twitter, Flickr, etc.) or disallow it entirely (Pinterest, TikTok, Facebook, etc.). Regional and cultural differences vary widely in this arena and some sites just want no part of that.

[Prokofy Neva]

1 hour ago, Starberry Passion said:

It is a very useful term. If someone look at a naked body and only think "This is disgusting, indecent" And you see that it is too adult for you then to me that shows you're not mature enough.

If someone see's a boob and says "Omg, that's perverted, I'm telling on you." That's not someone Mature at all.

You grew up watching South Park, Adult Swim, Several people have watched Movies for Mature Audience, all had (in which I included) mildly sexual scenes that wasn't outright pure porn inside of it, and if it did it was softcore, wasn't the hard stuff.

Just because Gustav Klimt is painting, which painting is a form of ART and Expression, doesn't mean anything. It's still art and it's a mature piece of art that is targeted to adult audiences, that are of the Mature level.

You mentioning other ARTISTS, which they are making art, as an example makes no sense.

Also, genitalia, are not porn, they are a sex organ, sure, but by itself it's not sexual until someone makes it sexual. It's a natural part of the body, a State of which you were born in into this world.

I gave you the biggest difference between Mature and Adult and that biggest difference is porn.

~

People Constantly trying to turn everything into Puritanical, you make thinks too restricted you're just going to create a division of things even more. Adults can't be adults in a mature space because someone else can't be mature about what they are looking at.

This is how trying to feed your own child, who is hungry and need milk, was treated. Indecent, immoral. That child needs food and needs to be fed, if you're not mature enough to look at this non sexually, then maybe you should be somewhere else. 

 

General is literally the perfect place to have everything that is for a general audience, ages 0 - 99 can see things that are not mature, Like a circus, a Photo of a coffee mug, a Giraffe eating a leaf, a cafe, an arcade area for family and friends, a pizzeria, Every single thing not made for just adults, but the entire family without having to worry about lewdity is general.

 

It's not about "puritanical." You can't be in SL and be puritanical for more than five minutes even on G.

It's about beauty. You know, beauty? Proportion? Innate goodness? Harmony? Inspiration?

So many of the female -- female, usually not male! -- bodies in SL are grossly distorted. In my view, for one of three reasons:

o BDSM roleplay, where they are often grotesque and covered with cuts, bruises, bites
o The Male Gaze -- the ideal of what a male may like in a given society, which women are subordinating to
o Female liberation/Transgender  - in an attempt to break away from the Male Gaze problem, some women exaggerate by choice, sometimes to shock others, sometimes unaware of their lack of proportion

Therefore a "G" on Primfeed is helpful or at least a very rapid scroll. I try to give "likes" to beauties who are not grotesque to encourage them, even though I personally don't care about dress-up, various bodies and skins you can get etc -- it's all a blur to me. In fact I recently tried to improve just one of my male alts and gave up after getting a bunch of demos that then didn't look like the picture. 

Edited August 27 by Prokofy Neva

[Prokofy Neva]

On 8/21/2024 at 7:38 AM, Arduenn Schwartzman said:

So, not the Primfeed platform growth? You know, the platform you were talking about?

Then again, I did find it a bit odd that you were so concerned about the success (or lack thereof) of a third-party platform.

Then again again, it's even odder to suggest that mentioning/endorsing the platform called Primfeed will be self-defating for the platform called Second Life. Where's the data that suggests Primfeed will be to the detriment of Second Life?

These are good questions to ask. I think LL wants to be on all social media because they realize in fact their customers sometimes talk more on external platforms than they do inworld.

Maybe because they are easier to use.

The typing speed/conversational catch-up problem drives me absolutely batty in SL.

[Zalificent Corvinus]

1 minute ago, Prokofy Neva said:

BDSM roleplay, where they are often grotesque and covered with cuts, bruises, bites

Most of the avatars I see in D/s Kink places are in fact NOT covered in cuts, bruises and bites.

That's some bizarre VANILLA fashion trend.

 

3 minutes ago, Prokofy Neva said:

The Male Gaze -- the ideal of what a male may like in a given society, which women are subordinating to

I don't give a tinkers curse what SL males might want to see, I make my avatar for ME.

 

 

[Coffee Pancake]

53 minutes ago, Zalificent Corvinus said:

That's some bizarre VANILLA fashion trend.

Yeah .. the kink scene in general is solidly against anything that might indicate abuse or a lack of care.

Cuts, open wounds, facial injury ... that's all vanilla people going for a domestic abuse "pity me" vibe.

[Scylla Rhiadra]

3 hours ago, Starberry Passion said:

It is a very useful term. If someone look at a naked body and only think "This is disgusting, indecent" And you see that it is too adult for you then to me that shows you're not mature enough.

If someone see's a boob and says "Omg, that's perverted, I'm telling on you." That's not someone Mature at all.

You grew up watching South Park, Adult Swim, Several people have watched Movies for Mature Audience, all had (in which I included) mildly sexual scenes that wasn't outright pure porn inside of it, and if it did it was softcore, wasn't the hard stuff.

Just because Gustav Klimt is painting, which painting is a form of ART and Expression, doesn't mean anything. It's still art and it's a mature piece of art that is targeted to adult audiences, that are of the Mature level.

You mentioning other ARTISTS, which they are making art, as an example makes no sense.

Also, genitalia, are not porn, they are a sex organ, sure, but by itself it's not sexual until someone makes it sexual. It's a natural part of the body, a State of which you were born in into this world.

I gave you the biggest difference between Mature and Adult and that biggest difference is porn.

~

People Constantly trying to turn everything into Puritanical, you make thinks too restricted you're just going to create a division of things even more. Adults can't be adults in a mature space because someone else can't be mature about what they are looking at.

This is how trying to feed your own child, who is hungry and need milk, was treated. Indecent, immoral. That child needs food and needs to be fed, if you're not mature enough to look at this non sexually, then maybe you should be somewhere else. 

 

General is literally the perfect place to have everything that is for a general audience, ages 0 - 99 can see things that are not mature, Like a circus, a Photo of a coffee mug, a Giraffe eating a leaf, a cafe, an arcade area for family and friends, a pizzeria, Every single thing not made for just adults, but the entire family without having to worry about lewdity is general.

 

I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you're getting at here.

My main point is that the label "porn" is a highly subjective, that is going to vary from person to person, generation to generation, and culture to culture. One person's erotica is another person's porn, and the definition of "artistic" is also highly variable. These are not really, for that reason, very useful classifications.

"Porn" is also a loaded term, and very often (indeed, until relatively recently, almost always) used as a way of denigrating something: calling something "pornographic" was and often still is an insult that implies a moral failing of some sort. "Porn" is often "erotica" or "artful nudity" that, for whatever reason, a person doesn't like. I don't think that basing a classification system on anyone's private moral code is a good way to proceed.

It's more useful to talk, in at least reasonably concrete terms, about what particular body parts and/or behaviours are being represented.

[Scylla Rhiadra]

2 hours ago, Prokofy Neva said:

BDSM roleplay, where they are often grotesque and covered with cuts, bruises, bites

For what it's worth, my own experience is that Zali and Coffee are most often (but perhaps not always) right about the people who are adopting the cuts, bruises, and bites.

My own objections to these things were never about RP (and, for the sake of this context, I'd include a BDSM scene in that category) anyway, but rather about the way in which some people used or showcased them as "fashion accessories." "Abuse chic," if you like, along the lines of "Heroin chic."

When one then-popular skin brand came out with her "Battle Royale" skins years and years ago, my objection was not to the skins themselves, but rather to her cheerful use for promotional purposes of blog pics showing pretty, smiling girls in cute little sun dresses and bonnets sporting black eyes and open lacerations. (I am sure you remember the incident.) That represents a kind of normalization of violence against women that is not actually implied by standard "combat" RP or BDSM.

Edited August 27 by Scylla Rhiadra

[Love Zhaoying]

3 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

For what it's worth, my own experience is that Zali and Coffee are most often (but perhaps not always) right about the people who are adopting the cuts, bruises, and bites.

My own objections to these things were never about RP (and, for the sake of this context, I'd include a BDSM scene in that category) anyway, but rather about the way in which some people used or showcased them as "fashion accessories." "Abuse chic," if you like, along the lines of "Heroin chic."

When one then-popular skin brand came out with her "Battle Royale" skins years and years ago, my objection was not to the skins themselves, but rather to her cheerful use for promotional purposes of blog pics showing pretty, smiling girls in cute little sun dresses and bonnets sporting black eyes and open lacerations. (I am sure you remember the incident.) That represents a kind of normalization of violence against women that is not actually implied by standard "combat" RP or BDSM.

I'd prefer "porn" to violence any day, sadly given the choice.

[Scylla Rhiadra]

1 minute ago, Love Zhaoying said:

I'd prefer "porn" to violence any day, sadly given the choice.

So would I, and worst of all is the two combined as sexual violence.

And I don't think we're alone in that regard. Which is why I'd like to see a separate category for "Extreme Violence," as distinct from merely "Adult" (i.e., sexual).

[Arielle Popstar]

2 hours ago, Prokofy Neva said:

So many of the female -- female, usually not male! -- bodies in SL are grossly distorted. In my view, for one of three reasons:
 

I don't think I have seen any "grossly distorted" bodies inworld which in some age and or culture hasn't been found to be erotic and considered to have the attributes you mention as being desirable. You seem to be judging on your personal preference, not those of the population in general in either world.

[Robin Kiyori]

2 hours ago, Zalificent Corvinus said:

Most of the avatars I see in D/s Kink places are in fact NOT covered in cuts, bruises and bites.

That's some bizarre VANILLA fashion trend.

 

I don't give a tinkers curse what SL males might want to see, I make my avatar for ME.

 

 

Same, the majorty of avatars on the kink sims I'm on have neither cut or bruise on them. They tend to ironically be more covered then vanilla sims.

[Arielle Popstar]

29 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

When one then-popular skin brand came out with her "Battle Royale" skins years and years ago, my objection was not to the skins themselves, but rather to her cheerful use for promotional purposes of blog pics showing pretty, smiling girls in cute little sun dresses and bonnets sporting black eyes and open lacerations. (I am sure you remember the incident.) That represents a kind of normalization of violence against women that is not actually implied by standard "combat" RP or BDSM.

I see them as a walking virtual canvas as opposed to an artist who uses static photography, r/l canvas, sculpture etc. 

Edited August 27 by Arielle Popstar
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[Scylla Rhiadra]

17 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said:

I see them as a walking virtual canvas as opposed to an artist who uses static photography, r/l canvas, sculpture etc. 

That's a not unreasonable way to consider fashion generally.

But fashion, like any other form of "art," communicates things. And what is being "communicated" if signs of physical abuse and violence are worn, out of context, as fashion accessories is highly problematic. It suggests that things like domestic violence are actually kind of "chic," attractive, and even sexy.

I have never asked for "bans" on such things, and wouldn't do so. But I'll call that sort of thing out where I see it -- just as I'd call out the political subtext of a "high art" film like "Triumph of the Will."

"Art" and fashion don't get a free pass to say whatever they want merely because they are "art" and "fashion."

[Carolyn Zapedzki]

So now people have been on this primfeed a while now.

Who does it benefit more?

Is it worth it?

[Love Zhaoying]

44 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

I'd like to see a separate category for "Extreme Violence," as distinct from merely "Adult" (i.e., sexual).

Hmm! I missed any discussion, isn't "extreme violence" considered "Adult", not merely "Mature" within Second Life itself? (Not that I don't agree with you - I do, "video game ratings" being a good example of separating the different categories.)

 

[Scylla Rhiadra]

Just now, Love Zhaoying said:

Hmm! I missed any discussion, isn't "extreme violence" considered "Adult", not merely "Mature" within Second Life itself? (Not that I don't agree with you - I do, "video game ratings" being a good example of separating the different categories.)

 

Yes, it is, but that's sort of the point.

Anyone who is interested in explicit sexuality in SL is necessarily also going to be exposed to representations of extreme violence, including things like Dolcett, snuff, and r*pe play. And apart from being merely kind of objectionable, those things are also potentially triggering for some people. (I mean "triggering" here in the technical sense, rather than the more usual "it will upset them.")

I should be able to explore sexuality in SL without also having to worry about tripping over torture devices and amputated body parts.

[Arielle Popstar]

4 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

But fashion, like any other form of "art," communicates things. And what is being "communicated" if signs of physical abuse and violence are worn, out of context, as fashion accessories is highly problematic. It suggests that things like domestic violence are actually kind of "chic," attractive, and even sexy.

And I'd read that differently in that violence happens even to the chic, attractive and sexy even but that the victims of such don't need to hide away from the light but can still go out in public and the signs of their abuse can be incorporated into their outfit in such a way as to make others stop and think of the commonality of abuse.

The ability to rise above those marks and wear them in a way that doesn't detract from their overall image and instead gives it an added flavour that is obviously open to differing interpretations.

[Love Zhaoying]

3 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

Yes, it is, but that's sort of the point.

Anyone who is interested in explicit sexuality in SL is necessarily also going to be exposed to representations of extreme violence, including things like Dolcett, snuff, and r*pe play.

I was thinking in my earlier post, about how some "haunted houses" are "more adult" than others (depicting different gruesome things like torture, etc.) in Second Life.

[Scylla Rhiadra]

1 minute ago, Arielle Popstar said:

And I'd read that differently in that violence happens even to the chic, attractive and sexy even but that the victims of such don't need to hide away from the light but can still go out in public and the signs of their abuse can be incorporated into their outfit in such a way as to make others stop and think of the commonality of abuse.

The ability to rise above those marks and wear them in a way that doesn't detract from their overall image and instead gives it an added flavour that is obviously open to differing interpretations.

Oh come on, Arielle. For real?

I'm all for acknowledging the realities of domestic and sexual violence, but if you imagine that that's why 99% of the people sporting bruises, abrasions, and other injuries are wearing them to clubs to go dancing, you're just coming from another planet.

[MissSweetViolet]

10 minutes ago, Carolyn Zapedzki said:

So now people have been on this primfeed a while now.

Who does it benefit more?

Is it worth it?

I can only speak for me, but I've been enjoying it. It gives me a great way to quickly and easily upload the pics I take, something I had been trying to do in blog style before PrimFeed but was not really enjoying the blog style so much.

As for other social media, I've always hated the upload system for Flickr, only used it when BB's classes used it and I don't even like using FB for real life stuff, let alone SL. I can't remember the last time I used FB for anything more then logging into a couple of the games I play, and if not for that, I'd not even have a FB. X only gets used for contest sharing in SL, usually from those who still hold them on Flickr.

So for me, who just wants to share pics I've taken in SL, view pics others have taken and check up on my favorite stores, PrimFeed has been absolutely wonderful.

[Rowan Amore]

Nah, it's definitely just a look to get as much reaction as possible.  There's no deep meaning behind it.  "Look at how edgy, daring, controversial, etc. I am!".  Cuts, bruises, brands...it's the IN thing so everyone wants to be IN.  Sort of like the twitchy nose or eye thing and the cross-eyed/big-eyed with round glasses and red nose look.  So unique that you look like a dozen other women in any given venue.  🙄

Edited August 27 by Rowan Amore

[Istelathis]

I think the only way we will know why someone likes cuts, bruises, whatever, is to just ask them.  I don't know anyone that has cuts, or bruises to ask, and I'm not going to randomly start questioning people, so I may never know.

[Luna Bliss]

2 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:

the IN thing so everyone wants to be IN

That does make sense in some cases.  I remember that horrible phase when it was IN to look like a heroin addict, super thin, sickly and strung out.  Glad that's gone.

[Luna Bliss]

9 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

Oh come on, Arielle. For real?

I'm all for acknowledging the realities of domestic and sexual violence, but if you imagine that that's why 99% of the people sporting bruises, abrasions, and other injuries are wearing them to clubs to go dancing, you're just coming from another planet.

the planet shall remain nameless...

[Arielle Popstar]

1 minute ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

Oh come on, Arielle. For real?

I'm all for acknowledging the realities of domestic and sexual violence, but if you imagine that that's why 99% of the people sporting bruises, abrasions, and other injuries are wearing them to clubs to go dancing, you're just coming from another planet.

No doubt some are just copy catting the fashion while for others it possibly real and others it is in solidarity. Your interpretation is just as prone to being unreal as mine as you automatically assume it to be the result of domestic abuse.

Maybe as @Istelathis points out, it would be best to ask them rather then prejudge them negatively.