Nobody goes to the Community Exhibition in WelcomeHub.

[JUSTUS Palianta]

... They must of gone there or how can they talk about it. 🤷‍♀️

[Persephone Emerald]

10 minutes ago, JUSTUS Palianta said:

... They must of gone there or how can they talk about it. 🤷‍♀️

Did you notice that most of us haven't been talking about for most of this thread? 🤔 

[Love Zhaoying]

4 minutes ago, Persephone Emerald said:

Did you notice that most of us haven't been talking about for most of this thread? 🤔 

Yes! Instead, most posts are about the WelcomeHub, Mentors, EVERYTHING BUT the actual "Community Exhibition".

I can't wait until the "CE" expands / gets more exhibitors, so we can actually talk about it.

[Zalificent Corvinus]

13 minutes ago, JUSTUS Palianta said:

... They must of gone there or how can they talk about it. 🤷‍♀️

I haven't been there, not a fan of slot machines, so the no-win casino is off the list, not a fan of Motown, and I don't live in the US, so that's off the list, don't give a tinkers curse about the Virtue-Signalling hub, have NO desire to listen to the Mentors, or see noobs in Sux-Ra Suburban Jogger Folk Fail-atars.

 

Looking at the maps and snapshots of the place people have posted here, convinces me that it's not attractive enough to be a "tourist" destination at all.

 

Don't need to GO there to see what's WRONG with it.

[Love Zhaoying]

19 minutes ago, JUSTUS Palianta said:

... They must of gone there or how can they talk about it. 🤷‍♀️

Actually, I was being "ironic" as they are talking more about the WelcomeHub and very little about the Community Exhibition.  There's not really much to talk about with the CE.

[JUSTUS Palianta]

13 Pages and no one has been there!

[Love Zhaoying]

12 minutes ago, JUSTUS Palianta said:

13 Pages and no one has been there!

Oh, I get it the thread title! Yeah, that's my point! 

"Don't go there, there's nobody there."  Awesome topic win!

[Jaylinbridges]

1 hour ago, Love Zhaoying said:

Yes! Instead, most posts are about the WelcomeHub, Mentors, EVERYTHING BUT the actual "Community Exhibition".

Don't Judge A Book By It's Title (Cover).  The OP mentioned mostly Welcome Hub issues, so that's what we have all been talking about.  We all go on side trips here and there, but because of the OP's original concerns.  I guess the title could be changed to "The Community Exhibit AND the rest of the Welcome Hub AND adjacent regions are still f***ed up A Work In Progress".  That's why we are still talking about it.  Plenty of great ideas here, and we even found a bug that nobody thought was a bug, when two portals had different permission behavior, only because they were sitting next to each other in the Welcome Hub area.  The LR and PQ portals have both been like that for years, at the Linden Portal Parks, and it took the Welcome Center to find this really serious [sic] bug.

Edited February 27 by Jaylinbridges

[Extrude Ragu]

9 hours ago, Drayke Newall said:

I am sure the Motown region can be used by Linden Lab for other things other than just adding a temp attach hud for US residents only to play music.

I said it before when it first opened in these forums that the easiest way for it to be populated at least some of the time and to help user retention etc. is for each new resident from that week be sent an invite to attend a 'welcome concert party' event at the end of the week offering music, fun, freebies, etc.

The last I checked there are a lot of DJ's on SL that like to play live music. letting resident DJ's and entertainers book the venue would give it some life.

[Teresa Firelight]

As long as we are talking about SLCE (SL Community Exhibition) at WelcomeHub, I would like to invite you to the new BBB booth there. The goal is to help newcomer retention by giving them a fun way to explore several parts of SL (by collecting passport stamps). 

35 different people have already visited this BBB booth, and it is only a few days old. So apparently, some people do still visit SLCE

 http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/WelcomeHub/26/167/24

[Drayke Newall]

4 hours ago, Jaylinbridges said:

A few years ago, LL cut the Quest payout to 25 $L per week.  They also cut the number of identical 12 regions Realms from six to one, and cut the number of crystals that rezzed per hour, meaning more players chasing fewer crystals.  This was done to make the Realms less attractive to "cheaters", they said.  But just adding the Payment Info Used requirement to cash in actually removed most of the multiple alt "cheaters" with no PIOF.  Now there are no cheaters, and barely a reason to play because of the pitiful low returns for your time.

oof... Well worse than I expected it would be. Last I played it was 50L a week. To reduce that again wow.

4 hours ago, Jaylinbridges said:

SL needs to find a realistic way for new residents to earn lindens.  Right now their answer is Just Buy Lindens with your dollars - SL has no use for residents that cannot add US dollars to the LL balance sheet.

There would be plenty of ways for Linden Lab to have residents earn Lindens and many being suggested in the past here and on jira, however they just refuse to do such things 'for reasons'

This then means that, as usual and like Linden Trees in the past etc, to help new players it falls on region owners and other users creating games and donating money to allow for new users to get free lindens. I and many new users past and present thank them for that as well.

2 hours ago, Love Zhaoying said:

Actually, I was being "ironic" as they are talking more about the WelcomeHub and very little about the Community Exhibition.  There's not really much to talk about with the CE.

It's not that the CE hasn't got much to talk about, it's more that fact that it is a disjointed addition to the Welcome Area that feels out of place and just.. well odd. But ok lets talk about CE.

Now last time I gave constructive criticism about the welcome hub, I was... well lets just say not like by Moles and others, but CE is just that, an out of place addon that doesn't even flow correctly.

Now, whilst the builds may be niceish (albeit high poly in some cases) what is their actual purpose?

1. Do they express the whole of the community they are representing? No.
2. Do they provide any clarity at all to a new user to what Second Life is or offers in said community? No.
3. Do they offer any form of information to the new user on how to find info or places of the community they represent and not just a specific place? No.
4. Do they offer any form of meaning to the path of the tutorial? No

It's all well and good to showcase a 'community' through an exhibition, however, why showcase one region? Would it not be better to showcase the community itself and all that it entails rather than a small slice of it? This is also why the 'community pages' Linden Lab made and just stopped and failed as, it offered nothing to a new user except a 'yes we have this community' find it yourself. The only real CE booth that offers a multiple region community experience is the BBB passport of which, well done to the creator of that as it is something many of us have been wanting LL to introduce.

Think like a new user. What would you prefer to see in SL at the end of your guide at the Welcome area after learning how to do things etc and wanting to know what to do next?

1. A very specific, and lets face it, advertisement of a region exhibiting themselves and really not a 'community', or
2. for the first time in Second Life's 20 year history LL spend the effort that went into the community pages, CE, etc and put it into actually making SL feel less clunky where a new user (and regular) can access the full destination guide directly in the viewer as part of the ui to find hundreds of their 'community' related destinations they are looking for, rather than having to physically pull up chrome, edge, firefox, etc to actually look at the destination guide and no the in built webviewer is not what I am talking about. Think the already inbuilt destination button and UI element but the full guide not a random selection.

I mean good grief, I dont mean to sound horrible but 20 years and a new user and even regular users still have to go to a web browser to look at it (not to mention MP)?

I also mean this in the nicest way Moles... the 'What's Next' board on the Welcome Area. Why is everything on there a link to a place on the SL website? Now I haven't used the default viewer for a long time but surely, like tpv viewers, there is still a Group Search and Events Listing section already built into the viewer? Why is a new user pushed out of the SL viewer/immersion to the website rather than opening these UI elements directly?

1 hour ago, Extrude Ragu said:

The last I checked there are a lot of DJ's on SL that like to play live music. letting resident DJ's and entertainers book the venue would give it some life.

I would dare say that would go against the conditions LL have with the Motown sponsor due to copyright of songs DJ's play without getting the license to play them.

Edited February 27 by Drayke Newall

[Extrude Ragu]

Just now, Drayke Newall said:

I would dare say that would go against the conditions LL have with the Motown sponsor due to copyright of songs DJ's play without getting the license to play them.

Probably. Ironic that the music industry is what kills the success of a music venue sponsored by the music industry.

[Love Zhaoying]

5 minutes ago, Drayke Newall said:

It's not that the CE hasn't got much to talk about, it's more that fact that it is a disjointed addition to the Welcome Area that feels out of place and just.. well odd. But ok lets talk about CE.

Now last time I gave constructive criticism about the welcome hub, I was... well lets just say not like by Moles and others, but CE is just that, an out of place addon that doesn't even flow correctly.

I was thinking earlier about how the WelcomeHub basically has something similar to a "theme park layout": a set of "trails" intended to help guide the user so they don't miss anything.  If that type of layout wasn't intentional, they came "close" and it's a good idea to have a layout where following a single trail, you could "see most everything".

Putting the Community Exhibition "off to the side" makes it more likely people will miss it. 

Maybe after more Exhibitions are added to the Community Exhibition, LL will "re-arrange" the paths so that the CE is "part of the paths" and not "off to the side".

 

[Claireschen Hesten]

2 hours ago, JUSTUS Palianta said:

13 Pages and no one has been there!

I did take a quick mooch around there, i actually expected it would be in the dedicated community exhibit region the laser tag had been turfed out for rather than an adjoining corner of the welcome hub

[Rowan Amore]

1 hour ago, Extrude Ragu said:

The last I checked there are a lot of DJ's on SL that like to play live music. letting resident DJ's and entertainers book the venue would give it some life.

The social area of the Hub was hopping much more than it is now when @rasterscanwas playing music there.  I miss that.

[Drayke Newall]

2 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

I was thinking earlier about how the WelcomeHub basically has something similar to a "theme park layout": a set of "trails" intended to help guide the user so they don't miss anything.  If that type of layout wasn't intentional, they came "close" and it's a good idea to have a layout where following a single trail, you could "see most everything".

Putting the Community Exhibition "off to the side" makes it more likely people will miss it. 

Maybe after more Exhibitions are added to the Community Exhibition, LL will "re-arrange" the paths so that the CE is "part of the paths" and not "off to the side".

Who knows. Based on past Welcome areas though it is more likely for them to create an entire new Welcome Hub before modifying the already established path.

[Sid Nagy]

12 minutes ago, Extrude Ragu said:

Probably. Ironic that the music industry is what kills the success of a music venue sponsored by the music industry.

Motown wants to promote Motown music only. Who would have thought?
They are not paying to promote songs from its competition.

Edited February 27 by Sid Nagy

[Drayke Newall]

2 minutes ago, Sid Nagy said:

Motown wants to promote Motown music only. Who would have thought?
They are not paying to promote competition.

And is the reason why it will stay empty and unused IMO especially when most other countries except US cant hear said music.

Edited February 27 by Drayke Newall

[Sid Nagy]

Just now, Drayke Newall said:

And is the reason why it will stay empty and unused IMO especially when every other country except US cant hear said music.

In the Netherlands one can here the Motown huds playing music. But the huds are one big design catastrophe IMHO.
The UK is ruled out as it seems. Must have something to do with royalties.

[Love Zhaoying]

13 minutes ago, Sid Nagy said:

Motown wants to promote Motown music only. Who would have thought?
They are not paying to promote songs from its competition.

Don't go to the RL Motown, it's a depressing place from what I hear. 

At least, don't drink the water. ETA: Never mind, that was Flint, Michigan.

 

Edited February 27 by Love Zhaoying

[Drayke Newall]

1 minute ago, Sid Nagy said:

In the Netherlands one can here the Motown huds playing music. But the huds are one big design catastrophe IMHO.
The UK is ruled out as it seems. Must have something to do with royalties.

Ah ok, Aus is out as well likewise a lot of Asia. Think Moles did say it was due to royalties.

As to the Hud, I gave up on it even if it didn't play anything. Had to restart my viewer just to detach the supposedly auto removing temp attach hud.

[Persephone Emerald]

27 minutes ago, Drayke Newall said:

It's not that the CE hasn't got much to talk about, it's more that fact that it is a disjointed addition to the Welcome Area that feels out of place and just.. well odd. But ok lets talk about CE.

[snip]

Now, whilst the builds may be niceish (albeit high poly in some cases) what is their actual purpose?

1. Do they express the whole of the community they are representing? No.
2. Do they provide any clarity at all to a new user to what Second Life is or offers in said community? No.
3. Do they offer any form of information to the new user on how to find info or places of the community they represent and not just a specific place? No.
4. Do they offer any form of meaning to the path of the tutorial? No

It's all well and good to showcase a 'community' through an exhibition, however, why showcase one region? Would it not be better to showcase the community itself and all that it entails rather than a small slice of it? This is also why the 'community pages' Linden Lab made and just stopped and failed as, it offered nothing to a new user except a 'yes we have this community' find it yourself. The only real CE booth that offers a multiple region community experience is the BBB passport of which, well done to the creator of that as it is something many of us have been wanting LL to introduce.

Think like a new user. What would you prefer to see in SL at the end of your guide at the Welcome area after learning how to do things etc and wanting to know what to do next?

1. A very specific, and lets face it, advertisement of a region exhibiting themselves and really not a 'community', or
2. for the first time in Second Life's 20 year history LL spend the effort that went into the community pages, CE, etc and put it into actually making SL feel less clunky where a new user (and regular) can access the full destination guide directly in the viewer as part of the ui to find hundreds of their 'community' related destinations they are looking for, rather than having to physically pull up chrome, edge, firefox, etc to actually look at the destination guide and no the in built webviewer is not what I am talking about. Think the already inbuilt destination button and UI element but the full guide not a random selection.

I mean good grief, I dont mean to sound horrible but 20 years and a new user and even regular users still have to go to a web browser to look at it (not to mention MP)?

I also mean this in the nicest way Moles... the 'What's Next' board on the Welcome Area. Why is everything on there a link to a place on the SL website? Now I haven't used the default viewer for a long time but surely, like tpv viewers, there is still a Group Search and Events Listing section already built into the viewer? Why is a new user pushed out of the SL viewer/immersion to the website rather than opening these UI elements directly?

The Community Exhibits are a Work in Progress. I like that they give sim owners a chance to showcase their regions to new users, but they do require some work to create. It would be harder for LL to showcase communities within SL because communities are not single, consistent entities, but rather conglomerates of many diverse sims, groups and views.

One way to show more communities to a new user would be the rather boring but efficient use of teleport boards, with pictures of different sims. I'm not suggesting replacing the showcase diases, just adding teleport boards for those who don't want to create a whole display. Teleport boards are low Land Impact, easy to create, and easy to use. They would also remove the step of taking the user out of SL to the website, just to teleport them back into a region within SL.

[Ingrid Ingersoll]

I was there yesterday and spoke to someone who started in sl a month ago and i asked him about his experience starting and he said the welcome hub was overwhelming. I wonder if LL employees do informal surveys of people who have joined recently to find out what works and what doesn't. 

[Ingrid Ingersoll]

45 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

Don't go to the RL Motown, it's a depressing place from what I hear. 

At least, don't drink the water. ETA: Never mind, that was Flint, Michigan.

 

LMAO

[Extrude Ragu]

23 minutes ago, Persephone Emerald said:

The Community Exhibits are a Work in Progress. I like that they give sim owners a chance to showcase their regions to new users, but they do require some work to create. It would be harder for LL to showcase communities within SL because communities are not single, consistent entities, but rather conglomerates of many diverse sims, groups and views.

One way to show more communities to a new user would be the rather boring but efficient use of teleport boards, with pictures of different sims. I'm not suggesting replacing the showcase diases, just adding teleport boards for those who don't want to create a whole display. Teleport boards are low Land Impact, easy to create, and easy to use. They would also remove the step of taking the user out of SL to the website, just to teleport them back into a region within SL.

Just a general community noticeboard would be nice, like those found in town centers.

I wonder if there is an API for the destination guide? It'd be cool to have something to display the destination guide or parts of it in-world.