The Metaverse Is The Worst Thing Ever Made

[CaithLynnSayes]

 

[Doris Johnsky]

If that a**hole Zuch is involved, then of course it is.

[Garnet Psaltery]

The first thing that came to mind is that criminals already make use of innocent people's images; how much worse it could be if they were to get hold of a moving, lifelike full-body simulation.  The second was that, from a faith point of view, the more the human mind is open to any kind of outside influence the more that influence could be demonic, but you don't have to believe in order to see the evil in uncontrolled demolition of personal boundaries.

Edited October 1, 2023 by Garnet Psaltery
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[BilliJo Aldrin]

just walk away.. walk away fast

[Ceka Cianci]

The zombie apocalypse is real..

[Persephone Emerald]

6 hours ago, Garnet Psaltery said:

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The second was that, from a faith point of view, the more the human mind is open to any kind of outside influence the more that influence could be demonic, but you don't have to believe in order to see the evil in uncontrolled demolition of personal boundaries.

Supposedly, this is why some people burn books.  🔥 📚  🙄

Edited October 1, 2023 by Persephone Emerald

[Love Zhaoying]

I think the problem with saying anything is "the worst" is, that will be seen as a challenge.

[AmeliaJ08]

I have absolutely no doubt that VR will progress to an actual metaverse full of these kinds of hyper-realistic almost perfect representations of participants, it seems almost inevitable. The maker of this video needs to keep up, the tech on show here is nothing new since you can create a textured 3D model from live camera data, you can even do something very similar to this at home with a basic camera although not in real time. For video/real time though just speed up the process, do it x times per second and you have real time ultra-realistic characters given enough processing power, it's not some infeasible feat of technology given what we have.

The tech isn't in doubt though. Some struggle to see the need but really we haven't scratched the surface yet, we tend to look at the current niches like VRChat/Horizon Worlds etc to make our criticisms but it should be clear that social VR has a much wider potential audience than is currently being catered to.

The big problem I can see is centralization. A true metaverse can't come about under the sole control of players like Meta since they have content policies, investors, advertisers and shareholders. Any sort of genuine metaverse is going to have to somehow cater to everyone, it is going to have to be decentralized and not under the control of any single provider or entity. It'll have to be something closer to the internet, something traversable and connected but broken down into many individual networks and providers to really break through and provide everything that people will want from it. It'll need to be open, affordable and will inevitably attract the same controversy that the internet does currently so it'll somehow need to be all things to all people to overcome this.

Also worth considering how gaming and the entertainment industry in general will move this way and might even become deeply integrated into a metaverse network that does everything, there's room for corporations and profit but there has to be something more for mass adoption.

Again though and as far as this video goes though I think the centralization desire of Meta will ensure their vision never sees mass adoption, I do think it is wiser to look at how internet ubiquity happened to see what is more likely to happen.

 

 

 

Edited October 1, 2023 by AmeliaJ08

[Ceka Cianci]

It's pretty easy to tell how and when the internet really took off.. Soon as high speed  internet came around  it started to get more populated across the board  with businesses and people.. Then  it really blew up when those little gadgets became available to most  everyone..

 

[Luna Bliss]

I'd love to be able to see my little grandson manifest as a hologram in my room -- he lives so far away.

Overall though, not sure I like augmented reality. I more like VR as a separate, immersive world one can enter and (for the most part) leave behind.

[Flea Yatsenko]

Metaverse is the peak attempt to bridge the gap between internet personas and real life. It's the next step up from "share everything about your real life on our website and apps", moving to "live your life on our website and apps." It's terrifying. People who have been on the old internet abhor it. We grew up being told things like "never use your real name on the internet." and now we're reaching a point where they want you to live your own life attached to your real info online. They don't want it to be a world you just leave behind. SL gets it, you log in, live a second life (literally), then log out and go back. Metaverse doesn't want that. It's like if Second Life was designed to be your real life. Avatar looks like you, friends list is your facebook friends list, etc. No one wants that.

[Ceka Cianci]

45 minutes ago, Flea Yatsenko said:

Metaverse is the peak attempt to bridge the gap between internet personas and real life. It's the next step up from "share everything about your real life on our website and apps", moving to "live your life on our website and apps." It's terrifying. People who have been on the old internet abhor it. We grew up being told things like "never use your real name on the internet." and now we're reaching a point where they want you to live your own life attached to your real info online. They don't want it to be a world you just leave behind. SL gets it, you log in, live a second life (literally), then log out and go back. Metaverse doesn't want that. It's like if Second Life was designed to be your real life. Avatar looks like you, friends list is your facebook friends list, etc. No one wants that.

Yep, the more invasive it gets, the less free we become.. The more we don't become active and move around the more we'll become unhealthy as well..

The more ways they find to get our money, the more our options of making it become scarce and the more poor that are created..

The poor won't be having access to this let alone  much of the third world countries that are so deep in poverty already that many haven't even been on the internet before let alone have something to get on it..

Eventually  somewhere down the road we're just going to be cattle.. I hope my children don't live to see it..

 

[AmeliaJ08]

1 hour ago, Ceka Cianci said:

It's pretty easy to tell how and when the internet really took off.. Soon as high speed  internet came around  it started to get more populated across the board  with businesses and people.. Then  it really blew up when those little gadgets became available to most  everyone..

 

Wouldn't have gotten anywhere without the little people though. The weird and wonderful brought it into every home and the metaverse (whatever that is) will have to be similar I think, I'm pretty confident that the giants of tech will struggle to achieve their current vision at least in the short term.

 

I certainly don't fear it though, I think its pretty funny that anyone would given we're all tech junkies on a platform like this. Go with it, guys like Zuckerberg couldn't have built the internet and they won't build the next thing either so it's not wise to get bogged down in fear of technology based on a few bad actors imo.

 

 

[Istelathis]

 

If anyone is afraid of chatbots, please watch this video.  The unknown is often scary, and people will take advantage of your fear to generate views for their content, don't let yourselves be manipulated like that.  Other forms of AI are very likely to provide assistance in several ailments we currently have no cure for, it will likely assist with innovation that improves the quality of life for many.  It will likely provide a means of boosting our own individual creativity and understanding of the world around us, and be a tool we use to achieve our own individual goals in life.  I doubt it will completely replace humanity, but as with any new innovation we will see the ultra wealthy using it as a tool for power and wealth, as they predictably always do with technology.  

As far as a metaverse, I dunno how far it will take off, I've always envisioned it more of just a different iteration of the web.  Facebook may want control over it, but ultimately I think it is going to be decentralized as the web is.

[BillFletcher]

This is the worst thing ever made.

the debate is only over the second worse thing

[Silent Mistwalker]

Since I'll never be able to afford it (even if I wanted to) I'll continue to live in the real world rather than a fantasy matrix. Hopefully I won't be pushed off the internet completely since I refuse to use AIs. I may not be able to stop the insanity, but I certainly do not have to participate. Thankfully, libraries with real books still exist.

[Ceka Cianci]

17 minutes ago, AmeliaJ08 said:

Wouldn't have gotten anywhere without the little people though. The weird and wonderful brought it into every home and the metaverse (whatever that is) will have to be similar I think, I'm pretty confident that the giants of tech will struggle to achieve their current vision at least in the short term.

 

I certainly don't fear it though, I think its pretty funny that anyone would given we're all tech junkies on a platform like this. Go with it, guys like Zuckerberg couldn't have built the internet and they won't build the next thing either so it's not wise to get bogged down in fear of technology based on a few bad actors imo.

 

 

I've personally watched 2/3 of a company get fired and replaced with robots.

It was pretty easy to see it coming also.. The head robot tech wanted to show me something that he thought was cool when they were letting me mess around with the programs..

This huge robot that the company used to pull parts out of the hot dies, grabbed a pen off the table and drew a picture of mickey mouse and mini mouse kissing...

Two years later 2/3 of the people that worked there were replaced with all the machines switching to diecast robots.. Before I left which was little over a year ago, they were bringing in robots to handle the end of the line  where the trimmers work.. Their whole plan was is to go from two or three people working on a line, to one person working on three lines plus the robots..

I'm already scared with what cellphones have done to people and society..  I don't shoot from the hip when it comes to fear.. I'm not scared for myself, But I am for my children's future, which is something that is a constant in a mothers life.. Also I'm not just looking at this one thing, because it takes more than one thing..

If or when this ever does come  to be, it'll be just like people with cell phones are today, only on steroids and much much less freedom if any at all..

 

[BillFletcher]

At every point in history mankind was developing technology to do things that had been done by people,

At every point in history there have been people who objected to technology taking over 

At every point in history when people look back into the past at the things that once had to be do by hand they are thankful that those things are now done by machines

There is nothing unique about this point in history

[Istelathis]

53 minutes ago, Silent Mistwalker said:

Since I'll never be able to afford it (even if I wanted to) I'll continue to live in the real world rather than a fantasy matrix. Hopefully I won't be pushed off the internet completely since I refuse to use AIs. I may not be able to stop the insanity, but I certainly do not have to participate. Thankfully, libraries with real books still exist.

We kind of do already use AI, even microprocessors use AI to speed them along, it is not something I am very familiar with but it is everywhere already.  As far as the Matrix, perhaps we already are living in a simulation 🤣I mean, from one perspective we do, the world we experience around us is just a representation of what our brain puts together for us, what we experience is not reality but our interpretation of it.  But going beyond that, we could all be living in the Matrix right now, which is fun to think about, as far as I know not able to be proven or not.

 

Edited October 1, 2023 by Istelathis
Clarity, although any attempt to do so has been interrupted by a glitch in the matrix.

[Silent Mistwalker]

21 minutes ago, BillFletcher said:

At every point in history when people look back into the past at the things that once had to be do by hand they are thankful that those things are now done by machines

There are many of us who are not thankful for the machines that take our jobs from us (ask Ceka about that) and do everything for us. 

A simple example: Most use a bread machine to make their "homemade" bread. I don't. I do it all by hand. That bread machine isn't going to build arm muscle by kneading the dough for you.

[Silent Mistwalker]

37 minutes ago, Istelathis said:

We kind of do already use AI, even microprocessors use AI to speed them along, it is not something I am very familiar with but it is everywhere already.  As far as the Matrix, perhaps we already are living in a simulation 🤣I mean, from one perspective we do, the world we experience around us is just a representation of what our brain puts together for us, what we experience is not reality but our interpretation of it.  But going beyond that, we could all be living in the Matrix right now, which is fun to think about, as far as I know not able to be proven or not.

 

Not the same thing but you already know that.

Try reading some of Brandon Q. Morris' (Matthias Matting) hard sci-fi that deal with AI, especially the Big Six (Alexa, Siri, Gamma, Cortana, WuDao, and I forgot the 6th one).

https://www.mostrecommendedbooks.com/series/brandon-q-morris-books-in-order

I started with the Black Planet series.

Quote

Brandon Q. Morris is a physicist and space specialist. He has long been concerned with space issues, both professionally and privately and while he wanted to become an astronaut, he had to stay on Earth for a variety of reasons. He is particularly fascinated by the "what if” and through his books he aims to share compelling hard science fiction stories that could actually happen, and someday may happen. Morris is the author of several internationally best-selling science fiction novels.

https://www.fantasticfiction.com/m/brandon-q-morris/

Edited October 1, 2023 by Silent Mistwalker

[Marigold Devin]

I can think of plenty more things that are worse than the metaverse, but all are weapons of destruction when in the wrong hands.

[Ceka Cianci]

37 minutes ago, BillFletcher said:

At every point in history mankind was developing technology to do things that had been done by people,

At every point in history there have been people who objected to technology taking over 

At every point in history when people look back into the past at the things that once had to be do by hand they are thankful that those things are now done by machines

There is nothing unique about this point in history

When we've finally died off and over time  and any of our links remembrance of beforehand, when  people have been raised and used to having it that way, I'm sure they will be thankful..Because they won't know any better.. What they don't know can't hurt them.. Only it can and will..

Just like how those phones in our hands have hurt us..

People have to get a picture of something that is happening or a video of something happening rather than experiencing what's happening..

I feel fortunate that I was born in poverty as well as I feel fortunate that I was born before the  internet and phone boom.. Because point of perspective is really a good thing to have to go by.

Diabetes is booming more than ever and  more and more types of cancer keep showing up..

I think there is plenty of room for concern for the future..

 

 

 

[AmeliaJ08]

1 hour ago, Ceka Cianci said:

I've personally watched 2/3 of a company get fired and replaced with robots.

It was pretty easy to see it coming also.. The head robot tech wanted to show me something that he thought was cool when they were letting me mess around with the programs..

This huge robot that the company used to pull parts out of the hot dies, grabbed a pen off the table and drew a picture of mickey mouse and mini mouse kissing...

Two years later 2/3 of the people that worked there were replaced with all the machines switching to diecast robots.. Before I left which was little over a year ago, they were bringing in robots to handle the end of the line  where the trimmers work.. Their whole plan was is to go from two or three people working on a line, to one person working on three lines plus the robots..

I'm already scared with what cellphones have done to people and society..  I don't shoot from the hip when it comes to fear.. I'm not scared for myself, But I am for my children's future, which is something that is a constant in a mothers life.. Also I'm not just looking at this one thing, because it takes more than one thing..

If or when this ever does come  to be, it'll be just like people with cell phones are today, only on steroids and much much less freedom if any at all..

 

We got robots too, we just do a lot more each day because of them but fundamentally my job could be replaced today, we make more mistakes than the machines but they use us for final sign off on the work still. I think the labour issue will solve itself (messily) but... it's going to require a universal basic income, we're going to need some large scale, global political reset.

I'm never overly scared of technology, I just see it as change. I guess maybe I don't think there's any chance of fighting it either and try to view the bigger picture if at all possible and I think a lot of the concerns we have are quite narrow and focused on current day problematic examples like Zuckerberg. The only thing that stopped people fearing the internet was their ignorance of what was happening at first, nothing like it had come before but we're a far more connected and aware world now and the metaverse with the rise of real artificial intelligence is quite possibly the next step. Go with the flow I say and inevitably what actually comes will probably be nothing like we imagined.

 

 

[Silent Mistwalker]

Be careful what you wish for, lest it come true. ~Aesop's Fables