International Women's Day in SL?

[PermaRuthed]

1 hour ago, Silent Mistwalker said:

I'm in my 60s although I'm fortunate to only have so very few gray hairs no one notices yet and I am definitely not attractive. Now add being female and First Nations into that mix. She isn't nearly as bad off as she wants people to believe.

Like I said she doesn't know what being invisible TO SOCIETY*, not just the people around you, means.

 

*US society

What was done to the First Nations and your ancestral land is atrocious and to feel the effects centuries later is horrifying. You have my commiserations.

[Paul Hexem]

2 hours ago, Love Zhaoying said:

I hope we do not make it a habit of posts about, "We are celebrating XXX today in Second Life.  Did we celebrate YYY 6 months ago in Second Life, and will we celebrate YYY 6 months from now in Second Life?" 

2 hours ago, Ingrid Ingersoll said:

I hope we do. As a paying customer for 20 years, I would also like to have my interests supported the same way LL has supported Second Pride. And I bet a lot of other women with premium accounts would too. 

1 hour ago, Love Zhaoying said:

To be blunt, kind of like, "Why should we celebrate [oppressed people's day] in Second Life? What about [other oppressed people's day]?"  Those kinds of things come up most often, unfortunately, in "culture wars" where someone does not want to "celebrate" another group.  (In the "culture wars", the unfortunate hallmark of those discussions is that the "whatabout" statement is most often regarding a group that is NOT oppressed. I'm NOT saying that here!)

I think it's worth noting the difference between "But what about me?" and "I love this enthusiasm and here's some excuses for more of it."

[Quartz Mole]

1 hour ago, Love Zhaoying said:

Hi Quartz, can you help answer for us (ok, "royal us") if there is a "forward-looking Second Life Calendar" for observation of special days in Second Life such as the "International Women's Day", which we could consult if needed?

Thank you!

 

This any help?

 

[Akane Nacht]

8 minutes ago, Caeruleiae said:

I can completely understand why you feel this way. Many of the things for which women are most responsible are not necessarily fun things-not in the way most seem to define fun-even if they are amazingly interesting and even surprising-absolutely achievements worth celebrating. At least they don't necessarily seem like things one can make fun-because let's face it people want to have fun at events. 

So the problem is then how do we take all of those things-things women have brought to this grand planet-and make them more fun for others to explore learn or whatever else. That's where typical activities that would be fun at any kind of event come into play. You can make things both informative and fun at the same time. Carnivals where displays are out but there is also rides food entertainment and such work nicely for this sort of thing. Women in sports-globally-would be an easy one to create an event around. Women in science and technology-a tech fair where female creators in sl show off their cool creations (not to sell!!!!) and what they can do with them-and also displays about rl women and their achievements. I hope that's clear. 

A general celebration that lasts more than just a single day would be even more awesome. There could be all sorts of displays and things for people to do-not just learn about on each day of the event. Women in (insert whatever like sports technology product development art music etc.) could be used as a theme for each day. If it's a one day event then displays with activities that fall under that kind of idea. It would be cool to get a bit away from all of the women's events that cater to shopping, art, music-not that they are bad but because they are most often the focus and we need more meat on that bone. I'd like to see more focus on other areas like sports, technology, development, science and other concentrations. 

Thank you, good ideas. It's a tough theme to make fun, and I think you're on to something there with a longer timeframe covering multiple subthemes to catch the interest of a wider audience and perhaps grab the attention of others who happen to be in the neighbourhood (like SLB's various displays/events do). Big job to coordinate, but if someone is motivated, I'd wish them every success. 

[Love Zhaoying]

55 minutes ago, Quartz Mole said:

This any help?

 

Thank you!

[Marigold Devin]

5 hours ago, Silent Mistwalker said:

Boxing without gloves. Violence.

I'll never understand why people want to celebrate violence but apparently, they do.

Well at least that's one thing we can agree on.

 

[CandyCole]

Women = 1

LG-HDTV = one month

Men = nada

[Harper Held]

3 hours ago, CandyCole said:

Women = 1

LG-HDTV = one month

Men = nada

1) Yes

2) What does high-def televisions have to do with anything?

3) Ah, the "but what about meeeeeeeeeee" question. Here's your answer, courtesy of Bing:

There is an International Men’s Day, and it is celebrated on November 19 every year¹²³. It is a global awareness day for many issues that men face, such as parental alienation, abuse, homelessness, suicide, and violence. It also aims to honor men’s positive contributions to society, family, and community, and to promote positive male role models.

Checkmate, righties. ♟️

[Love Zhaoying]

3 minutes ago, Han Held said:

2) What does high-def televisions have to do with anything?

When my mom found out I was LG-HDTV, she said I was going to hell! I hope that clears it up. (Some righties won't even take the initials "LGBT" seriously.)

 

[Silent Mistwalker]

I'll be back when I figure out what, if anything, the heckin heck an LG hi-def tv has to do with it. Mine works just fine tyvm and has an excellent picture quality even if it is almost 10 years old. 😋

Edited June 16, 2023 by Silent Mistwalker

[Rowan Amore]

Sorry, I have a Sony.  

[elleevelyn]

21 hours ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

In fairness, though, smaller organizations aren't really well-equipped to do this sort of thing. The 16 Days event nearly killed me -- well, certainly burned me out to the degree that I was out of SL six months after, for an extended time. Even in 2010, it was a lot of work. These days, you NEED a huge organization involved.

yes is not easy to do this. Quite a few committed people are needed to sustain an event on an ongoing basis year on year. And even with the backing of a large realworld organisation there is no guarantee of success

a case in point was back in the day when the Teen Grid arrived. The UN Youth Ambassador programme opened a office, staffed by UN Youth Ambassadors. Lots of realworld publicity and then it all just fizzled out (same as many other realworld issues organisations fizzled on both Teen and Main grids). It fizzled as the local SL populace didn't engage further after the initial burst of interest/curiosity. The lack of sustainable engagement comes when given the information sought the recipient then further engages with the organisation thru other means which is easier fro them to do. Other means like email, phone calls and realworld appointments/meet ups, etc

is possible to create an annual event (of short duration) highlighting a real world issue, say International Women's Day. But even a one day event requires a whole lot of preplanning (as you aware)

i will mention a few things that need to be done/understood. (things you are also aware of)

1) Get alongside as many realworld organisations and realworld personalities as you can. What you want from them is their name (money sponsorship is always nice to get, but name recognition by the public of the orgs/persons lends credibility to your event)

2) Recognise that SL is just the stage on which to hold the event. The bigger audience is on other social mediums. Facebook, Tik Tok, YouTube, etc. And this is where people with quality video editing skills are needed. Vids that showcase the event held on your  3D stage (SL)

3) The first goal of the vids are to help highlight the issue. The second goal is to satisfy the 'names", that your event shows them in a good light and that your event has some reach into public awareness. The third goal is to attract people to attend next year's event in SL. When the latter can be achieved then is more likely that Linden may provide some practical support. Like a region and/or promotion on its blog, destinations guide, etc

and yes, setting out a 5 year event plan and getting it  done is a major commitment. And when you do this in a voluntary capacity then some (sometimes hard) life decisions have to be made, not least of which is how do I maintain my household if I am not earning an income from the time commitment

[Ingrid Ingersoll]

1 hour ago, elleevelyn said:

And yes, setting out a 5 year event plan and getting it  done is a major commitment.

And after seeing  a lot of the responses and lack of enthusiasm from the forum community, it might be worth thinking about if it's even worth doing in SL. SL is so LGTBQ focused at this point that championing womens rights the way many women have championed LGBTQ rights is not really interesting. And maybe another platform would be better. 

[belindacarson]

2 hours ago, elleevelyn said:

t a 5 year event pla

Greetings chairman Mao!!

[Scylla Rhiadra]

1 hour ago, Ingrid Ingersoll said:

And after seeing  a lot of the responses and lack of enthusiasm from the forum community, it might be worth thinking about if it's even worth doing in SL. SL is so LGTBQ focused at this point that championing womens rights the way many women have championed LGBTQ rights is not really interesting. And maybe another platform would be better. 

I don't think the forum community is very representative. My experience of in-world events and such is that there is an interest in, and even in enthusiasm for, women's issues and events that are women-centered. I've held three exhibitions that were focused upon women's issues in the last 4 years or so, and all were quite successful, and got reasonably good notice off-platform as well. They were admittedly relatively modest: one "educational" exhibition and two art exhibitions -- but people unquestionably responded well to their themes.

And, although OBR in SL didn't run this year, it's generally quite high profile, and well attended.

That said, LL undoubtedly does NOT hold the enthusiasm for women's issues that it does for LGBTQ+ issues. I think in part that's for reasons that Qie already cited: there is a lot more money to be made in LGBT events and advocacy here, for a number of reasons. LL also, frankly, has a crappy record of upholding ToS violations and such against women: even the quickest scan of in search of groups will demonstrate how utterly indifferent they are to misogyny.

One other point: there is a great deal of overlap between women's issues and LGBTQ+ issues, and has been since at least the late 60s. Right now, in the feminist community, there are two issues preoccupying everyone. One of those is reproductive rights, which are obviously under severe threat in the US. But the second one is trans rights, which the vast majority of those working on women's issues strongly support. (There are, obviously, exceptions.) So, to a very great degree, advocating for LGBTQ+ IS a feminist issue.

Edited June 16, 2023 by Scylla Rhiadra
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[Fauve Aeon]

9 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

I don't think the forum community is very representative.

I really find this to be true, but I also don’t know that many of the people here also have that same perception - for many it may be similar or dare I say ‘here’ might even be something of a substitute for there. I cringe to say that honestly because I sure wish there was more of what I experience inworld present here in the forums too. There are glimmers, but too few for my satisfaction. I think that’s really important when it comes to discussing things that actually happen in the world, knowing that the way that they will be perceived in the forum will be often completely different. I know to watch for that now, but occasionally a zing still catches me off guard. 

Edited June 16, 2023 by Fauve Aeon

[elleevelyn]

1 hour ago, belindacarson said:

Greetings chairman Mao!!

having a 5 year plan is pretty standard. Most businesses have them

also many medium to large businesses expect their employees to indicate annually (annual Personal Development Review) where they (the employee) see themselves in 5 years and what they see as being able to do for themselves to achieve the plan that they (the employee) have set. And what they see that the business can assist with to meet the plan's goals for next year. And at each PDR, current status is measured against the goals set last year in furtherance of the plan  

Edited June 16, 2023 by elleevelyn
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[Ingrid Ingersoll]

24 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

LL also, frankly, has a crappy record of upholding ToS violations and such against women: even the quickest scan of in search of groups will demonstrate how utterly indifferent they are to misogyny

Yeah I've had a few friends leave sl over this, one of them a guy. He said he was just skeeved out. I sometimes question my own support of a company that is so indifferent to it. 

[belindacarson]

19 minutes ago, Ingrid Ingersoll said:

Yeah I've had a few friends leave sl over this, one of them a guy. He said he was just skeeved out. I sometimes question my own support of a company that is so indifferent to it. 

Depends if something is or *isn't* a tos violation.

 

Most times it's someone having a silly tantrum over something silly so they run crying "it's a tos" violation when it's not.

In most cases it's because someone has a different opinion than that other person who can't handle it.

 

[Scylla Rhiadra]

1 hour ago, Ingrid Ingersoll said:

Yeah I've had a few friends leave sl over this, one of them a guy. He said he was just skeeved out. I sometimes question my own support of a company that is so indifferent to it. 

There are times I've certainly just felt something approaching despair over what I've seen here, and what is permitted.

There do seem to be lines that one can't cross in SL with regard to thinks like racism and homophobia. I note, for instance, that a Waffen-SS group that I ARed months ago seems to have finally disappeared -- although there are others still in existence.

But in nearly 15 years of monitoring this in SL, I have literally never seen an item or group removed, or an account sanctioned, because of misogyny, regardless how hateful, vile, or violent.

Not once. Not ever. LL really doesn't care.

(ETA: an exception, but a pretty recent one, is here on the forum. But that's got less to do with misogyny than with ensuring people play nicely. Also, we have mods who actually seem to care; governance in-world sure as hell doesn't seem to.)

Edited June 16, 2023 by Scylla Rhiadra

[Ingrid Ingersoll]

7 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

Goernance in-world sure as hell doesn't seem to.)

Tbf imagine how much s@@t they'd have to remove in world if they went after misogynistic content? It would be a full time job for 50 employees, they'd have to remove 50% of the content and most of the female avis. 

 

Lol?

[Scylla Rhiadra]

Just now, Ingrid Ingersoll said:

Tbf imagine how much s@@t they'd have to remove in world if they went after misogynistic content? It would be a full time job for 50 employees, they'd have to remove 50% of the content and most of the female avis. 

 

Lol?

Yep.

[belindacarson]

55 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

ut in nearly 15 years of monitoring this in SL, I have literally never seen an item or group removed, or an account sanctioned, because of misogyny, regardless how hateful, vile, or violent.

Not once. Not ever. LL really doesn't care.

Then it's obviously not a tos violation.

[Scylla Rhiadra]

4 minutes ago, belindacarson said:

Then it's obviously not a tos violation.

From the Community Standards Document:

"Intolerance

Linden Lab encourages social interactions between users across multiple countries. The use of derogatory or demeaning language or images based on race, ethnicity, gender, religion or sexual orientation is prohibited. Actions that marginalize, belittle, or defame users or groups are similarly prohibited."

 

And frankly, I don't care if you, or even someone in authority at LL, has "decided" that a snuff porn sim, or a group that advocates for the enslavement of women, "abides" by the ToS and Community Standards. These things are appalling.

 

[belindacarson]

34 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

From the Community Standards Document:

"Intolerance

Linden Lab encourages social interactions between users across multiple countries. The use of derogatory or demeaning language or images based on race, ethnicity, gender, religion or sexual orientation is prohibited. Actions that marginalize, belittle, or defame users or groups are similarly prohibited."

 

And frankly, I don't care if you, or even someone in authority at LL, has "decided" that a snuff porn sim, or a group that advocates for the enslavement of women, "abides" by the ToS and Community Standards. These things are appalling.

 

No they're not.  They're people's life style choices.  Nobody "makes" people join in these activities .

 

I would suggest the only person who seems to be guilty of intolerance is yourself, daring to judge other people for their lifestyle choices.