AmeliaJ08 Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 3 hours ago, ValKalAstra said: Point of view: Find an amazing dress that really accents your style, would go great with several fantasy outfits and looks just all around amazing. Continue to fall in love with it. It's on sale for super cheap too and from a reputable seller! Don't mind if I... wait, demo demo demo! Anti-Peeve: Demos. Peeve: 130k complexity just on the dress alone but... why? Oh. Oh no. Sequins. Lots of them. For what it's worth I have max complexity set to no limit, I think the default most people will be on is 350k though so you could still make it work. Definitely annoying though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceka Cianci Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 Peeve: There seems to be an epidemic going on with group chat lag today.. Whoever is doing it,Stop touching those buttons!! \o/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scylla Rhiadra Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 SERIOUS peeve. People who think that the beauty, creativity, and meanings generated by SL photography are really solely to be attributed to the sim designers and mesh creators who produced the subjects of those photographs. Like the idiot who, upon finding out I was a photographer, responded with "Oh, so you take pictures of other people's creative work?" This appeared on a Flickr page associated with a region that is a particular favourite of some photographers (but not, for what it's worth, of me): "The creators of such sims had more contribution to the quality of their image then the blogger had. Reading comments like 'oh what beautiful details' makes us vomit. They only made the screen capture, not the sim design." His central point, that photographers should include the SLURL of the places where they take pics, I agree with. I almost invariably do. Reducing the hard creative work of photographers to "screen captures," however, makes me want to scream. (I'm too genteel to vomit, unlike this sim owner.) Anyway, I'm about to get myself banned from a certain sim. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arielle Popstar Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 5 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said: Reducing the hard creative work of photographers to "screen captures," however, makes me want to scream. (I'm too genteel to vomit, unlike this sim owner.) Challenge him to try himself if he thinks it is so easy. I know I can't take a good picture if my life depended on it, using the same spot that my partner uses to create a picture she won't even acknowledge as being artistic and yet loads better then my feeble attempts. Having an eye or smidgeon of creativity is essential and not all of us have it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Istelathis Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 15 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said: People who think that the beauty, creativity, and meanings generated by SL photography are really solely to be attributed to the sim designers and mesh creators who produced the subjects of those photographs. People are weird, and often control freaks. They often try to push others into submission, by insisting they live by their rules, and identify as they see fit. To this person, you are not allowed to be an artist, you must follow their rules, and behave in a manner they find fitting. What I find, is that if you don't do it then they will try to shame you into submission, by some sense of morality they feel is a law of the universe. It is one of the reasons why I don't really connect with others so much anymore, people just can't live and let live, they always have to be trying to control one another. It is a shame, there is an entire gorgeous world out there, that will never be good enough for them because it is not under their control. I kind of miss the 90s when most of us did not take ourselves, or others as seriously 😋🪿 If it is any consolation, I love your pictures, and I find you put a lot of work in them to convey a meaningful message. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scylla Rhiadra Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 10 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said: Challenge him to try himself if he thinks it is so easy. I know I can't take a good picture if my life depended on it, using the same spot that my partner uses to create a picture she won't even acknowledge as being artistic and yet loads better then my feeble attempts. Having an eye or smidgeon of creativity is essential and not all of us have it. Well, indeed. I've spent the better part of 5 or 6 years working on my photography skills, and I am, genuinely, very far from feeling that I've arrived at the kind of expertise and creativity that I would like to possess. And there are so many kinds of creativity, which we shouldn't be defining (I think) merely on the basis of how "good" the output is. Creativity is still creativity, even if you are not acknowledged as an "artist." And it's all good, and valuable, and lovely to see. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scylla Rhiadra Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 7 minutes ago, Istelathis said: It is one of the reasons why I don't really connect with others so much anymore, people just can't live and let live, they always have to be trying to control one another. It is a shame, there is an entire gorgeous world out there, that will never be good enough for them because it is not under their control. I kind of miss the 90s when most of us did not take ourselves, or others as seriously I'm sorry to hear that, Stella -- you're a really sweet, smart, and enormously funny person, and I'm very grateful that you're here, and that I've "connected" with you at some level. We would all be the poorer for it if you decided not to be here with us. I can't help feeling that you're depriving the broader world of your company. It could use your wit and good humour. Mostly, I'm able to ignore the ones who are controlling and obnoxious. It's far more economical and healthy to focus on the nice people! And, just to be clear -- this sim owner's comments weren't directed at me (although I responded to him on Flickr, and he immediately accused me of "trolling" and shut me out from further responses). I am just really tired of this kind of attitude. It displays a lack of understanding, and an even more disturbing lack of generosity. Thank you for your kind words, though! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayashe Ninetails Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 29 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said: SERIOUS peeve. People who think that the beauty, creativity, and meanings generated by SL photography are really solely to be attributed to the sim designers and mesh creators who produced the subjects of those photographs. Like the idiot who, upon finding out I was a photographer, responded with "Oh, so you take pictures of other people's creative work?" This appeared on a Flickr page associated with a region that is a particular favourite of some photographers (but not, for what it's worth, of me): "The creators of such sims had more contribution to the quality of their image then the blogger had. Reading comments like 'oh what beautiful details' makes us vomit. They only made the screen capture, not the sim design." His central point, that photographers should include the SLURL of the places where they take pics, I agree with. I almost invariably do. Reducing the hard creative work of photographers to "screen captures," however, makes me want to scream. (I'm too genteel to vomit, unlike this sim owner.) Anyway, I'm about to get myself banned from a certain sim. Wonder what he thinks about photographers who start from a blank slate up in the sky and create their scenes from scratch by mixing/matching and editing scenery, props, furniture, particles, and sky effects? Just asking for a friend. 👀 To be fair, I would gladly acknowledge every single creator featured in any of my photos (and occasionally did), but the description would wind up a mile long given how much I tend to use, and considering how Flickr moderation is these days, I stopped crediting altogether. That said, many, many photographers already do credit outfit/accessory designers and sim owners, so it's not like we don't already realize this is a collaborative effort. I'm well aware that my creativity builds on the creativity of others. Not really much different to how it works in the real world, unless he expects that wildlife photographers start making giraffes or they aren't legit, or some nonsense. Personally, I'd just challenge him to a photo contest. He sounds jelly. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scylla Rhiadra Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Ayashe Ninetails said: Wonder what he thinks about photographers who start from a blank slate up in the sky and create their scenes from scratch by mixing/matching and editing scenery, props, furniture, particles, and sky effects? Just asking for a friend. Which is what I do for about 95% of my pics -- I almost invariably create my own backdrops, for a number of reasons. I use a mix of commercial items (some full-perm) and prim/mesh building blocks, often with textures I've created myself. I asked him if his sim credits the creators of the trees, grass, structures, etc., that it employs. Oh, a final irony? His Flickr profile pic uses AI enhancement. 35 minutes ago, Ayashe Ninetails said: To be fair, I would gladly acknowledge every single creator featured in any of my photos (and occasionally did), but the description would wind up a mile long given how much I tend to use, and considering how Flickr moderation is these days, I stopped crediting altogether. Yeah, exactly. Where would one stop? I'll almost always post a SLURL if it's appropriate, and on rarer occasions, the maker of a garment or something that is particularly central to the scene or that I'm especially impressed by, but this could be an endless process, and one that, as you say, Flickr might well take exception to. 35 minutes ago, Ayashe Ninetails said: That said, many, many photographers already do credit outfit/accessory designers and sim owners, so it's not like we don't already realize this is a collaborative effort. I'm well aware that my creativity builds on the creativity of others. Not really much different to how it works in the real world, unless he expects that wildlife photographers start making giraffes or they aren't legit, or some nonsense. Well, my fallback on the question of creative credit is always something like a photo by Ansel Adams. This church is of course centrally part of this picture -- but the brilliance of the photograph is all Adams. He does tell us where it is (Bodega, CA), but would we expect him to credit the architect or grounds crew too? Edited April 21 by Scylla Rhiadra Typo 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayashe Ninetails Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 5 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said: Which is what I do for about 95% of my pics -- I almost invariably create my own backdrops, for a number of reasons. I use a mix of commercial items (some full-perm) and prim/mesh building blocks, often with textures I've created myself. You go a bit further than I do. I don't texture, but I do break down, reposition, rebuild, recolor, and occasionally, meticulously edit my poses and lighting. Even if we didn't, though - if we just ran to Foxcity and tossed up a premade (which I've also done for more fashion-oriented shoots), we'd still be responsible for the shot. Foxcity gets the credit for the scene/build. That's how this works and you'd be hard-pressed to find a photographer who didn't understand that. Bet this guy would be mind blown to find out that rappers don't typically produce their own backing tracks. 🙃 11 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said: Well, my fallback on the question of creative credit is always something like a photo by Ansel Adams. This church is of course centrally part of this picture -- but the brilliance of the photograph is all Adams. Gorgeous photo, and exaaaaaaaaaaaaaaactly. Similarly, who do we credit for this beautiful shot? My vote goes to the photographer, Nima Sarikhani (linking instead of posting to respect the photographer's copyright). https://www.nhm.ac.uk/wpy/gallery/2023-ice-bed Slightly related peeve: Why can't I take photos like this in real life??????????? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scylla Rhiadra Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 1 minute ago, Ayashe Ninetails said: Similarly, who do we credit for this beautiful shot? My vote goes to the photographer, Nima Sarikhani (linking instead of posting to respect the photographer's copyright). Wow. What an image! 1 minute ago, Ayashe Ninetails said: Why can't I take photos like this in real life??????????? Because you don't live on an Arctic ice flow? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayashe Ninetails Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 Just now, Scylla Rhiadra said: Wow. What an image! Isn't it incredible? I want to dig through that entire site, but I know I'll lose the entire day if I let myself do that. Just now, Scylla Rhiadra said: Because you don't live on an Arctic ice flow? LMAO, shaddap. 😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephanie Misfit Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 2 hours ago, Scylla Rhiadra said: Like the idiot who, upon finding out I was a photographer, responded with "Oh, so you take pictures of other people's creative work?" Red flag, gaslighter. Steer clear of that person. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scylla Rhiadra Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 9 minutes ago, Stephanie Misfit said: Red flag, gaslighter. Steer clear of that person. The really odd thing is that he said this while he was very clearly flirting with me. "You're doing it wrong" I nearly said. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayashe Ninetails Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 28 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said: The really odd thing is that he said this while he was very clearly flirting with me. "You're doing it wrong" I nearly said. I'm peeved you didn't say it. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 55 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said: "You're doing it wrong" I nearly said. Alternatively, "Nice. You kiss your mother with that mouth?" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephanie Misfit Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 56 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said: The really odd thing is that he said this while he was very clearly flirting with me. "You're doing it wrong" I nearly said. That's a particular dating strategy some guys use, to neg you like that, and try to undermine your confidence, making you an easier target. The good thing is, that once you can recognise negging, it is easy to give those guys a wide berth. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scylla Rhiadra Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 44 minutes ago, Stephanie Misfit said: That's a particular dating strategy some guys use, to neg you like that, and try to undermine your confidence, making you an easier target. The good thing is, that once you can recognise negging, it is easy to give those guys a wide berth. Ah. Now, it hadn't struck me as negging, but I suppose you might be right. Mostly his conversation was funny and fun, though, and I was quite happily playing along . . . until we hit this point. There are a couple of skits on the old Mitchell and Webb show about negging that are simultaneously sort of funny, and really actually quite upsetting to watch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Hexem Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 18 hours ago, Scylla Rhiadra said: The really odd thing is that he said this while he was very clearly flirting with me. "You're doing it wrong" I nearly said. 17 hours ago, Stephanie Misfit said: That's a particular dating strategy some guys use, to neg you like that, and try to undermine your confidence, making you an easier target. The good thing is, that once you can recognise negging, it is easy to give those guys a wide berth. New trick unlocked. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scylla Rhiadra Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 7 minutes ago, Paul Hexem said: New trick unlocked. But dahling . . . it didn't work! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 7 minutes ago, Paul Hexem said: New trick unlocked. Peeve: It's awesome, if someone else's self-esteem is so low as to go for that tactic, you can just be a jerk! Women may think, "If he's THIS self-confident, then he must have something going for him!" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Hexem Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 Just now, Scylla Rhiadra said: But dahling . . . it didn't work! That's the fun of it, at least in my case. It doesn't have to. Just knowing it's getting any reaction is enough for me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 Just now, Paul Hexem said: Just knowing it's getting any reaction is enough for me! Peeve: Is staring slack-jawed in disbelief a reaction? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scylla Rhiadra Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 3 minutes ago, Paul Hexem said: That's the fun of it, at least in my case. It doesn't have to. Just knowing it's getting any reaction is enough for me! /me looks for something heavy I can throw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arielle Popstar Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 1 minute ago, Scylla Rhiadra said: /me looks for something heavy I can throw A library full of heavy books and you have to look for something??? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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