Totally flummoxed by the new Arcade

[TimKoul]

3 hours ago, Chic Aeon said:

That being said I do enjoy the "MYSTERY" of "will I get the rare I am after this time"

In Vegas, we call that gambling.

[EliseAnne85]

5 hours ago, TimKoul said:

gambling.

Most of life is gambling if gambling means taking a chance, taking a risk.

Getting into a relationship is a gamble, buying a house is gamble, buying a car is a gamble, taking a job is a gamble, starting a business is a gamble, and so on.

In another post I wrote something from a Jackson Browne interview I just listened too but Jackson said something else in that interview and what he said was is that he thinks a career is about taking all kinds of risks.

Life is about taking chances and risks.  Sure we can look under the hood of a car and all...but...I bought a car once and it died before I could even get home.  LOL  It later worked out okay and was my favorite car but it was finicky.  

 

[TimKoul]

I just love how a lot of people are trying to justify how the new machines aren't gambling when it's still gambling.

15 minutes ago, EliseAnne85 said:

Most of life is gambling if gambling means taking a chance, taking a risk.

Getting into a relationship is a gamble, buying a house is gamble, buying a car is a gamble, taking a job is a gamble, starting a business is a gamble, and so on.

In another post I wrote something from a Jackson Browne interview I just listened too but Jackson said something else in that interview and what he said was is that he thinks a career is about taking all kinds of risks.

Life is about taking chances and risks.  Sure we can look under the hood of a car and all...but...I bought a car once and it died before I could even get home.  LOL  It later worked out okay and was my favorite car but it was finicky.  

 

We are talking about a machine or a mechanic of a machine, not life. 

[Rowan Amore]

47 minutes ago, TimKoul said:

I just love how a lot of people are trying to justify how the new machines aren't gambling when it's still gambling.

We are talking about a machine or a mechanic of a machine, not life. 

They are not gambling as you know the outcome of your purchase.  That takes any gambling aspect out of the equation.  Before, you paid first and it WAS a gamble on what you would receive.  If you put your money in a slot machine in Vegas that showed you exactly what the outcome would be, it would be a purchase and not a gamble.   The thrill (for most) is the hope of getting what you want without knowing ahead of time what the outcome will be.  This isn't the case with the new vendors.  There really is no thrill to be honest.  It's a simple purchase of an item.  

Now, whether you CHOOSE to purchase items you do not want (since you know ahead of time what they are) in order to get what you do want or CHOOSE to not purchase them, that's entirely up to you.   The main point being is that everyone knows exactly what they're paying for.

This is why I said it seems to be the merchants who will lose out the most from this type of selling.  I'd have spent at least 400L buying the hair I wanted from a traditional vendor.  Instead, with 2 avatars, I spent less than 200L to get what I wanted.  

BTW...hated the old gachas but these I can live with if they are set up like the arcade where I can use alts to increase my chances of getting the exact item I want without spending a lot of money.  I still would rather just purchase the specific item even at a higher price at the merchants store.

Edited September 8, 2022 by Rowan Amore

[CristinaButterfly]

I liked pocket gacha it closed tho few years go the hud was easy to use you did have to go to the event you do it any where. But product you ether buy the whole thing or buy it random it was fair. 

[Theresa Tennyson]

11 hours ago, Chic Aeon said:

 

That being said I do enjoy the "MYSTERY" of "will I get the rare I am after this time" so there is an entertainment value mixed in there.     

8 hours ago, TimKoul said:

In Vegas, we call that gambling.

Where I live we call it going to a second-hand store.

[Blaise Glendevon]

2 hours ago, TimKoul said:

I just love how a lot of people are trying to justify how the new machines aren't gambling when it's still gambling

It's not gambling if you know exactly what you're buying.

[Lysistrata Szapira]

Interesting development. After I posted about ONE STORE in the event having a machine with 45 items in it in NextUp, I find myself banned!  Someone's wayyyyy too sensitive about their event.  I was complaining about one specific store. Geez. 

I can't remember the last time I got banned from a sim.  I guess you don't want my money, toots. 

 

[Kimmi Zehetbauer]

21 minutes ago, Lysistrata Szapira said:

Interesting development. After I posted about ONE STORE in the event having a machine with 45 items in it in NextUp, I find myself banned!  Someone's wayyyyy too sensitive about their event.  I was complaining about one specific store. Geez. 

I can't remember the last time I got banned from a sim.  I guess you don't want my money, toots.

I got banned/kicked from a few groups when I said in them I was glad Gatchas were getting their walking papers.  But maybe Karma will bite the 45-NextUp store.

[Blaise Glendevon]

1 minute ago, Kimmi Zehetbauer said:

I got banned/kicked from a few groups when I said in them I was glad Gatchas were getting their walking papers.  But maybe Karma will bite the 45-NextUp store.

For what? Providing an experience people like partaking in? If it's not for you, keep walking.

[TimKoul]

20 minutes ago, Blaise Glendevon said:

For what? Providing an experience people like partaking in? If it's not for you, keep walking.

For some reason I imagined you with a monocle, a long mustache, and a top hat when you said "partaking". 

[Love Zhaoying]

32 minutes ago, TimKoul said:

For some reason I imagined you with a monocle, a long mustache, and a top hat when you said "partaking". 

/me pays you in Monopoly money for a good one!

[EliseAnne85]

12 hours ago, TimKoul said:

I just love how a lot of people are trying to justify how the new machines aren't gambling when it's still gambling.

We are talking about a machine or a mechanic of a machine, not life. 

I'm not justifying it, I'm remarking about gambling.  Life is often called one big crap shoot.  

As far as taking a chance to win a random prize like with old gacha or elsewhere, or a prize one can see now, I don't have a gambling addiction problem but I don't feel I need to tell people not to go to the arcade if that's what they want to do nor would I tell my child they can't play at the arcade in real life either.  

I do, however, wonder why you protest so much?  

[Jaylinbridges]

It's not gambling if I have free choice to buy or not.  Those that protest too much are usually projecting their own faults.

[TimKoul]

7 hours ago, Jaylinbridges said:

It's not gambling if I have free choice to buy or not.  Those that protest too much are usually projecting their own faults.

Are you saying I have a gambling problem?

[Love Zhaoying]

Since these machines are obviously a workaround for gachas, it is a Peeve that LL allows them!

How dare they!

[EliseAnne85]

On 9/8/2022 at 9:54 AM, Blaise Glendevon said:

It's not gambling if you know exactly what you're buying.

I think so too.

Gacha was like the line in Forest Gump "life is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you are going to get".  The Arcade sounds like it's a box of see-thru chocolates and you know what you are going to get.  If you demo that is.  To the 'it's gambling' thing by others in this thread, meh.  It's a marketing tool and something different to do.  

[Blaise Glendevon]

7 hours ago, Love Zhaoying said:

Since these machines are obviously a workaround for gachas, it is a Peeve that LL allows them!

How dare they!

I'm peeved that we lost gacha. It was a great way to pick up inexpensive pieces to round out your collection, and a fun interactive experience that connected you with other residents as you tried to get your missing parts.

[Rowan Amore]

1 hour ago, Blaise Glendevon said:

connected you with other residents as you tried to get your missing parts.

Can't you still do that?

[Blaise Glendevon]

1 hour ago, Rowan Amore said:

Can't you still do that?

Yes, though I feel like the secondhand market and trade groups have gone down in activity. I don't have numbers, it's just a perception.

[Ardy Lay]

Can you not still get the thrill of not knowing what you are buying by not looking it up?  Isn't that sort of the point of using references like numbers on the vendors instead of images of the products or listing their names or descriptions directly?

[Sorina Garrigus]

On 9/7/2022 at 7:53 PM, Rowan Amore said:

The sellers probably realized that they weren't making the kind of money they used to make at this event.  Rares less often, people will spend more.  I didn't.  Some will.  

And it's NOT gambling IMO no matter how you look at it.  There is no risk in not getting what you pay for.  You know exactly what it is beforehand.  

Not sure why people don't grasp the difference yet.

Is it a stupid way to sell?  Sure is.  The item I got cost me far less than if they had offered the same hair as a regular product.  Using your alts to play is the best way to get what you want without buying what you don't want.  Win win for the consumer.  Loss for the creator.    I think as this continues on, we'll see even less quality products and many stores not even bothering with it.

The grey area is in gambling laws they also mention "A thing of value" So in something like this if you win say a useless cube or something super cool and expensive then you would have an issue. Especially given people go on the market place and resell them. It turns into how gambling works in Japan where you can't play for money but you can play for prizes which people go around the corner and sell the prizes back in another buildings. Basically the same as cashing in casino chips. But if they are basically the same value say like a gumball machine with different colors or toys with stickers in them basically all the same value its fine. It gets complicated past that because you have things like sports cards and magic the gathering in real life which is allowed but it gets a bit closer to walking the line in some other areas.  

[Sorina Garrigus]

On 9/7/2022 at 1:52 PM, Kimmi Zehetbauer said:

It's still a form of gambling and sadly the Lab condones those "vendor" type things.

I am ok with gambling with age restrictions obviously, but they have to follow various laws. There are other things that are allowed that are totally gambling like some fishing games. Where you can increase your chances to win hypothetical fish by buying bait or a better fishing pole. But if I wanted to run a chess tournament I Would have to contact a lawyer to get a legal opinion and restrict it to a gaming sim. I understand solo skill game issues very well ... but they really need some adjustments for things like chess tournaments and the like. 

[Rowan Amore]

11 minutes ago, Sorina Garrigus said:

The grey area is in gambling laws they also mention "A thing of value" So in something like this if you win say a useless cube or something super cool and expensive then you would have an issue. Especially given people go on the market place and resell them. It turns into how gambling works in Japan where you can't play for money but you can play for prizes which people go around the corner and sell the prizes back in another buildings. Basically the same as cashing in casino chips. But if they are basically the same value say like a gumball machine with different colors or toys with stickers in them basically all the same value its fine. It gets complicated past that because you have things like sports cards and magic the gathering in real life which is allowed but it gets a bit closer to walking the line in some other areas.  

There is no grey area when you know exactly what you are purchasing.  Don't want the cheap looking common item, don't buy that one.  Pretty simple.

[Marianne Little]

For me, Gacha is a nice way to pass clothing, skin appliers, hairs and all kind of other wearables among my alts. It makes group shots more easy. And going in and look up the second hand sales, I can find commons sold from 5 L and up, and rares for 3-4 times a pull.

It depends on popularity and how old the gacha was, of course. But vintage gacha can look really good. It depends upon the creator's skill. And some second hand sellers will price it low to get rid of stuff, when they have had it for a while.

So I was fine with gacha. I was not super happy when I could not get just what I wanted. But the second hand market, and the trade market, made up for it.