Prokofy Neva Posted August 18, 2022 Author Share Posted August 18, 2022 17 hours ago, Scylla Rhiadra said: This is . . . highly debatable. I draw the distinction between those with civic-mindedness who take on civic tasks and "social justice warriors". But it's true, sometimes a society doesn't appreciate the SJWs until they lose the justice that they thought those people were foolish to fight for. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prokofy Neva Posted August 18, 2022 Author Share Posted August 18, 2022 16 hours ago, Love Zhaoying said: If there IS an intelligentsia in Second Life, why aren't they out where we can see them, letting us know how things should be and that they will help fix things? So with that logic, either there isn't an intelligentsia in Second Life, or we should replace them. And if there isn't an intelligentsia in Second Life, what makes us think they would do a half-arse decent job at "making things better"? Into the abattoir with the lot of them, says I! Down with the intelligentsia! Long live the common Avatar! I can understand that sentiment but what has the common avatar done for us? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prokofy Neva Posted August 18, 2022 Author Share Posted August 18, 2022 9 hours ago, Randall Ahren said: There are two groups for intelligentsia in SL. Just search for "intelligentsia" in groups. I maintain the Rekviem Cafe where I invite the intelligentsia to come. They do sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prokofy Neva Posted August 18, 2022 Author Share Posted August 18, 2022 15 hours ago, Seicher Rae said: So true. I am close to a very brainy math major. Brilliant. And yet... zero curiosity. I'm like a cat with a laser pointer light. Or Dug in "Up!" with "Squirrel!" EVERYthing is fascinating. But but but... when I bring up my left of sideways 'isn't this interesting??? it is, right!" stuff math-brainy-person is like "meh." They have a very sharp focus of what they like and that is enough. I sooooooo don't get it. (And for anyone MBTI versed, it is soooooooooooo spot on: I'm INTP the math person is ESTJ) Don't you think we all have PhDs in physics from running these SL servers and struggling to do all the SL stuff???? Philip should be proud! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prokofy Neva Posted August 18, 2022 Author Share Posted August 18, 2022 2 hours ago, Love Zhaoying said: As I believe our esteemed OP is expert on social constructs and history of proletariat and similar (from my observation of their posts over the years), it will be interesting to see how they weigh in on the question of whether the intelligentsia can exist without the proletariat. "Those at the top cannot and those at the bottom are not able". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 4 minutes ago, Prokofy Neva said: "Those at the top cannot and those at the bottom are not able". Is this somewhat equivalent to the old saw, "Those who can, do, and those who cannot, teach"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 11 minutes ago, Prokofy Neva said: I can understand that sentiment but what has the common avatar done for us? It is enough to merely exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seicher Rae Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Prokofy Neva said: "The intelligentsia" isn't always about standard "intelligence" as in "high IQ". It's something larger and more subtle than that. No s*** Sherlock. It wasn't what or who I was referring to, but I guess it was too subtle ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katherine Heartsong Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 hrmph Upset that @Maryanne Solo was using an avatar icon like mine before me. Can't one of the Intelligentsia do something about that? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindal Kidd Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 5 minutes ago, Katherine Heartsong said: hrmph Upset that @Maryanne Solo was using an avatar icon like mine before me. Can't one of the Intelligentsia do something about that? No need, LL already did. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arielle Popstar Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Love Zhaoying said: It is enough to merely exist. But that is so lumpenproleterian! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 12 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said: But that is so lumpenproleterian! Oy! Lumpin' me with that lot, guv'nor? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 2 hours ago, Love Zhaoying said: 2 hours ago, Prokofy Neva said: I can understand that sentiment but what has the common avatar done for us? It is enough to merely exist. The problem is that there are always those who seek to control the direction of any community, and if an individual doesn't seek to have their voice heard and commit to action they will be overrun, and soon it's likely you won't be able to "merely exist" in the way you desire anymore. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bree Giffen Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 Are there groups of intellectuals/thought leaders who try to shape their world but are opposed and repressed by those in power? LL doesn't stop people from discussing possible changes to SL. They hold meetings with residents in-world and on the forums they encourage discussions to be primarily about SL. The Jira system allows people point out any problems and make suggestions on improving SL. We have the freedom to think, speak and assemble which I believe the lack of these freedoms was the reason for the intelligentsia. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izdzan Enoch Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 I'm the village idiot and the forum cartel hangout rodeo clown, so I reckon that's close enough for me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madelaine McMasters Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 3 hours ago, Prokofy Neva said: "Those at the top cannot and those at the bottom are not able". How is "cannot" different from "not able"? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, Madelaine McMasters said: How is "cannot" different from "not able"? "We the unwilling, led by the unknowing, working for the ungrateful, have been doing the impossible for so long, that now we are capable of doing anything with nothing." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prokofy Neva Posted August 18, 2022 Author Share Posted August 18, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Madelaine McMasters said: How is "cannot" different from "not able"? Well, that's one of those things that used to be taught in English class, the difference between physically being able to do something and not being allowed to do something but ACTUALLY I put up a mangled version of the famous quote by Lenin which is: Верхи не хотят, низы не могут Which is translated literally as: "The tops don't want, the bottoms can't". Or those who rule society don't want to change it; those at the bottom of society can't change it, i.e. they don't have the power. Edited August 18, 2022 by Prokofy Neva 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prokofy Neva Posted August 18, 2022 Author Share Posted August 18, 2022 19 minutes ago, Bree Giffen said: Are there groups of intellectuals/thought leaders who try to shape their world but are opposed and repressed by those in power? LL doesn't stop people from discussing possible changes to SL. They hold meetings with residents in-world and on the forums they encourage discussions to be primarily about SL. The Jira system allows people point out any problems and make suggestions on improving SL. We have the freedom to think, speak and assemble which I believe the lack of these freedoms was the reason for the intelligentsia. I think you can imagine this ideal state of affairs only because you are accepted into this world and go along with the powers that be and agree with them. The JIRA is the worst possible way to be making suggestions about the society; it's for technical matters within the software. It's an abuse of that system and an abuse of power to use the JIRA for ostensible "features" request which are really about *policies* and even changes in the TOS. We hardly have those freedoms as I shouldn't have to explain with a forums where anyone can be banned and a JIRA where you can also be banned, and not for any rational or just reason. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 5 minutes ago, Prokofy Neva said: Or those who rule society don't want to change it; those at the bottom of society can't change it, i.e. they don't have the power. Definitely a truism! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowan Amore Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 Won't and Can't 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seicher Rae Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said: Won't and Can't ...one of those things that used to be taught in English class ETA: The original words used were "cannot" and "not able"... which are synonymous, which was Maddy's observation, and not the same as won't/can't... as of course was Rowan's point, I believe. Edited August 18, 2022 by Seicher Rae 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seicher Rae Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 I have one in mind... 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 8 minutes ago, Seicher Rae said: I have one in mind... It's easy to spot them, using Pseudo-Science! 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 I see the intelligentsia as the forces that seek to guide society. And so if we take a stand against the powers that be we also become part of the intelligentsia, albeit usually with much less power. I watched a series yesterday on Hulu that demonstrated what one dedicated person can actually achieve against the powers that be, and I'll always feel an inspired glow when I think of this woman: https://www.fxnetworks.com/shows/children-of-the-underground 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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