US Election Question

[Seicher Rae]

2 minutes ago, Ultimo Constantineau said:

That would make sense for California. CA is the only state that has a net loss for being part of the US. The rest of the country needs eachother to survive.

At least give me sawing off Florida? I don't remember the last presidential election where there wasn't at least some kind of WTF-ing about Florida, some degrees hotter than others. Plus: Florida man.

[Ultima Cloud]

1 minute ago, Seicher Rae said:

Totally in favor of eliminating the EC. Have been since I was much further to the right than I am now and it was last century.

Totally in favor of plain old majority rule.

And voting by computer.

And getting rid of the two party system, which majority rule could help.

So lets just say the EC does become a its own country and separates itself from the south and west. Who's going to buy your products or produce? We would no longer have an incentive to buy from you since you would like get undercut by other nations looking for our business. Being the most populous. 

[Ultima Cloud]

38 minutes ago, Seicher Rae said:

At least give me sawing off Florida? I don't remember the last presidential election where there wasn't at least some kind of WTF-ing about Florida, some degrees hotter than others. Plus: Florida man.

Florida was unfortunate. Their latin american community bought the notion sold by republicans that democrats are socialists. It's whatever. I still think it's trending left. Just not today.

Edited November 6, 2020 by Ultimo Constantineau

[Lyssa Greymoon]

11 minutes ago, LittleMe Jewell said:

If everything in this country were decided only by popular vote, there is a good chance that women and minorities would have either never gotten the ability to vote, or it would have been a much longer time coming that it was.

Non sequitur.

[Seicher Rae]

3 minutes ago, Ultimo Constantineau said:

So lets just say the EC does become a its own country and separates itself from the south and west. Who's going to buy your products or produce? We would no longer have an incentive to buy from you since you would like get undercut by other nations looking for our business. Being the most populous. 

?

"The EC does become a its own country..." The Electoral College? What?

And, ya know, that was a post made in jest. I thought that was fairly obvious both in syntax, word choice etc?

 

[Ultima Cloud]

2 minutes ago, Seicher Rae said:

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"The EC does become a its own country..." The Electoral College? What?

And, ya know, that was a post made in jest. I thought that was fairly obvious both in syntax, word choice etc?

 

Ya sorry I misread your statement so mine doesn't make any sense.... mb. You had previously mentioned cutting off certain states so I thought you meant east coast....

Edited November 6, 2020 by Ultimo Constantineau

[Whirly Fizzle]

4 hours ago, Ultimo Constantineau said:

We also had a king in 1688. I guess we should go back to that instead.

[Drayke Newall]

2 minutes ago, Whirly Fizzle said:

erm... how long is a long time ago?

Empires existed until 1999 and we still have kings and kingdoms.

[Seicher Rae]

This is as good a place as any to put this graphic that I just saw posted on a friend's blog. I wish more people understood these things and that they had questioning minds to pay attention to their own biases to see through crap, either presented on the news, social media, at the dinner table...

 

Edited November 6, 2020 by Seicher Rae
Almost 4 am. Words. Need. To. Be. In. Order.

[Maryanne Solo]

7 hours ago, Prokofy Neva said:

You don't know if they have any intelligence, education, ability to think conceptually, etc. 

Rarely does education equal intelligence I am afraid.

[Theresa Tennyson]

9 hours ago, Prokofy Neva said:

As for your other claims, go back and read what you wrote. You claimed that what I said was "inaccurate", i.e. that people criticized the electoral college because they felt it brought Trump. Whereas now that it is securing Biden's likely win, they are silent. And that is indeed the case. So you are contradicting yourself, not me.

If there were no electoral college nobody would even be wondering who won this election.

[Ceka Cianci]

Just pull the tooth already!! \o/

hehehe

[Madelaine McMasters]

10 hours ago, Prokofy Neva said:

As for your other claims, go back and read what you wrote. You claimed that what I said was "inaccurate", i.e. that people criticized the electoral college because they felt it brought Trump. Whereas now that it is securing Biden's likely win, they are silent. And that is indeed the case. So you are contradicting yourself, not me.

People complain most about the electoral college when it elects someone who's lost the popular vote. That doesn't appear to be happening right now.

Sometimes things are as simple as they seem?

[Lyssa Greymoon]

The people calling for the reform of the electoral college last week generally thought Biden was likely to win, so I'm not really sure why they would stop now, and I don't expect them to. The reasons the electoral college is fundamentally flawed, stupid and indefensible haven't changed or gone away. The fact that we may be waiting a week for the people in Nevada who stop counting ballots around noon to decide an election where one candidate has a clear majority of the vote and more votes than any presidential candidate ever should make it even more obvious.

[Theresa Tennyson]

Here's an academic paper written at the end of 2019 (i.e. before COVID-19, the massive increase in mail-in ballots, etc.) It's fairly long and I haven't finished reading it myself. However, in the first couple of pages, for all intents and purposes the writer predicted exactly what's happening right now:

https://lawecommons.luc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2719&context=luclj

Edited November 6, 2020 by Theresa Tennyson

[Ceka Cianci]

I doubt anything is going to change once the results are in.. Who ever wins it will more than likely stay the winner..

Out of all the investigations and hearings and whatever else they do in Washington.. They always seem to lead to nowhere land and nobody ever ends up going to jail or anything really.. they just seem like a place to burn tax payer dollars to make it seem like they are throwing the people a bone, like Hey look at me and what I'm doing for you?!! \o/

Just rip the damn tape off and lets get the show on the road already..

 

I am so worn out of the whole Hurry up and wait games..

[Love Zhaoying]

6 hours ago, Maryanne Solo said:

Rarely does education equal intelligence I am afraid.

That's hot!

[Love Zhaoying]

4 hours ago, Ceka Cianci said:

Just pull the tooth already!! \o/

hehehe

Doorknob, mousetrap, or carnival strong-man hammer?

[Paul Hexem]

15 hours ago, Lyssa Greymoon said:

Why shouldn’t it be straight popular vote?

 

15 hours ago, Seicher Rae said:

Totally in favor of eliminating the EC. Have been since I was much further to the right than I am now and it was last century.

Totally in favor of plain old majority rule.

And voting by computer.

And getting rid of the two party system, which majority rule could help.

Ah yes. Because majority (mob) rule always works so well. People are clearly always rational, critical thinkers that we can trust to make the right decisions.

As a straight white male, I support your initiative. Majority rule from now on. We'll fix this country!

[Rowan Amore]

2 minutes ago, Paul Hexem said:

 

Ah yes. Because majority (mob) rule always works so well. People are clearly always rational, critical thinkers that we can trust to make the right decisions.

As a straight white male, I support your initiative. Majority rule from now on. We'll fix this country!

/me just looks at you             Don't make me come over there and slap you

[Seicher Rae]

15 minutes ago, Paul Hexem said:

 

Ah yes. Because majority (mob) rule always works so well. People are clearly always rational, critical thinkers that we can trust to make the right decisions.

As a straight white male, I support your initiative. Majority rule from now on. We'll fix this country!

Pesky fact: White males, straight or otherwise, only make up 31% of the American population.

[Lyssa Greymoon]

8 minutes ago, Paul Hexem said:

Ah yes. Because majority (mob) rule always works so well. People are clearly always rational, critical thinkers that we can trust to make the right decisions.

Yeah, it's just too crazy. It's not like we have direct election of practically every other elected official in the country. 

[Seicher Rae]

And ... wtf. How is a straight, simple majority less counting points than the EC? The EC is based on the majority of votes in a specific state!

How is that better than letting a person in Vermont's vote count as much as someone in California? Which is what a simple majority vote would do. Funny how this silly thing of "he who gets the most votes wins" works in other countries, while here we have to have that system, PLUS another one, which totally screws things up.

Simple majority also makes it easier to move away from the decayed and diseased party system. Me and George Washington are besties on that.

[Rowan Amore]

1 minute ago, Seicher Rae said:

And ... wtf. How is a straight, simple majority less counting points than the EC? The EC is based on the majority of votes in a specific state!

How is that better than letting a person in Vermont's vote count as much as someone in California? Which is what a simple majority vote would do. Funny how this silly thing of "he who gets the most votes wins" works in other countries, while here we have to have that system, PLUS another one, which totally screws things up.

Simple majority also makes it easier to move away from the decayed and diseased party system. Me and George Washington are besties on that.

Well considering the EC was put in place by white male slave owners...that's all the explanation needed.  

[Seicher Rae]

1 minute ago, RowanMinx said:

Well considering the EC was put in place by white male slave owners...that's all the explanation needed.  

/me looks sheepish about calling upon George Washington to make a point?