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@Bagnu In RL we mostly deal with only the camera when taking an image. The most we can do with environment is position our self or subject and wait for the light or whatever to change. We may choose to use filters or go indoors (or not) and add lights.

In SL we control the world's environment. So just as digital photography added a new dimension to post production the viewer and virtual world add a new dimension pre-production.

Once our thinking changes about tweaking the environment I think lots of possibilities open up.

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2 hours ago, Nalates Urriah said:

In SL we control the world's environment. So just as digital photography added a new dimension to post production the viewer and virtual world add a new dimension pre-production.

This is the part that has me confused. How? I have used Poser and 3DsMax, and with those it's straightforward. I even started a thread on realistic photography in SL to ask questions.

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54 minutes ago, Bagnu said:

This is the part that has me confused. How? I have used Poser and 3DsMax, and with those it's straightforward. I even started a thread on realistic photography in SL to ask questions.

For now WINDLIGHT (mentioned earlier). Eventually (maybe) EEP which is new and not really embraced on the grid yet.   I have some OLD tutorials on this. Some videos were redone since 3009 :D happily.      --- Still old and I know more now LOL, but a start.  

https://chicatphilsplace.blogspot.com/2009/09/windlight-settings.html

 

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2 hours ago, shiviex said:

you can change the windlights in phototools (alt+p) <33

I will give that a try. Thank you!!!

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In SL the environment is controlled in two basic ways. The land owner sets the environment for their land. Everyone sees that environment.

The other is our personal environment which we can set anywhere. Our settings override the landowner's settings but only we see the 'personal' environment we set. Think about sailors and pilots traveling from region to region. The constantly changing environment is REALLY annoying. Fortunately we can override all settings in those regions and ignore the servers' calls to use the local environment and stay with the single setting we want as we fly across SL.

EEP - Enhanced Environment Project is across the grid and now a part of the whole grid. The Linden's Viewer has already changed over, which makes it 'official'. Firestorm has their beta version of an EEP viewer, 6.4.?. I would guess you use Firestorm. So if you are going to start playing with Windlight/EEP, I suggest you use either the Linden or the Firestorm Beta viewer and learn EEP. I don't see any point in learning how to use Windlight controls that are rapidly disappearing. Firestorm changed little in their Phototools but it is EEP.

The Linden's viewer is the least photographer friendly... (IMO) and some third-party viewers aren't any better. Their thinking, the Lindens, is to keep things simple, as in fewer controls. Firestorm and Black Dragon put more controls in the user interface making it easier for us to tweak the visual render. With Firestorm there are the Phototools. In Black Dragon there is a machinima panel has has similar controls. 

I think Firestorm has a better set of tools with a practical arrangement/user interface. I find it easier to use but that may be because I learned its user interface first. Black Dragon has a more "logical', from a technical viewpoint, arrangement. Also Black Dragon (BD) exposes and adds features not available in other viewers. BD is made for the author's, NiranV, use. So it isn't as user friendly as I would hope. But, it is clever and innovative. Check one of NiranV's posts on Black Dragon. And this thread: Making Avatars Look Good inBlackDragon! Share Your Hints and Advice! and there are a number of links to tutorials here: BlackDragon Video Tutorials on Photographing in SL.

The current big advantage of using BD is the POSER. This is a built-in tool that allows you to move/adjust your avatars pose.

 

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The statue I am standing on is phantom. I used the BD poser to position my avatar.

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In both of these I positioned the avatar for the snap. In the blue-skin one and several on Flickr I tweaked the facial expression.

I think you can see the POSER adds a dimension not currently available in other viewers. I think the POSER is the reason more photographers have recently started using BD.  However, the Lindens have talked about adding the poser to the default viewer. When they do I suspect they will ad some server side support. Something only the Lindens can do.

Check out the tutorials and have fun. :) 

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22 hours ago, Nalates Urriah said:

When they do I suspect they will ad some server side support. Something only the Lindens can do.

HA. HA. HAH. Hah...ha.... 😢

There is no server side support going to be added.

And i could have easily gimped the Poser to the point of uselessness without their help.

Don't look forward to the official implementation, IF it will ever be implemented it will be in such a way that its original premise is long gone and forgotten and its merely another useless tool that is quickly forgotten about.

I'd choose server side synchronization above exporter every day, but they have chosen the greater evil.

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When i do a pic for a blog post the clothing is the most important but I like shooting 'in world' in different sims and not in  studios or staged sets. But I would have to say without a doubt Using BD poser is nearly a must! Find a decent starting pose then the poser to just get the arms and hands right, or even to make major pose adjustment. And then finding the the right WL setting

I'm in heaven! Free cake and wine!

 

Just another day in paradise...

 

 

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I had never heard of Black Dragon before.That poser tool sounds incredibly usefull!! Is it possible to keep IM"s across BD and Fierestorm???

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2 hours ago, Bagnu said:

I had never heard of Black Dragon before.That poser tool sounds incredibly usefull!! Is it possible to keep IM"s across BD and Fierestorm???

Yeah, the built-in power is very helpful..also the graphics and the detail is better in black dragon. 

And yes, it is possible to keep IMs across black dragon and firestorm, I change my viewers all the time<33

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On 8/4/2020 at 10:35 PM, shiviex said:

And yes, it is possible to keep IMs across black dragon and firestorm, I change my viewers all the time<33

Could you please explain how???

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On 8/7/2020 at 5:09 PM, Bagnu said:

Could you please explain how???

Ugh.... it is possible to have the IM for all viewers pile up in the same place and thus have the IM history so the content from all the different viewers' chat shows up in all viewers. That is NOT the default. Each viewer uses its own chat log folder. So, what you chatted in FS is not visible in BD. All the same friends and groups as that is system level connections. But, the chat is stuffed in text files saved by each brand of viewer in a viewer specific place.

Example: C:\Users\[windows_login_ID]\AppData\Roaming\Firestorm_x64\[avatar_name]

In Firestorm the control is in Preferences->Network & Files->Directories. You can change that so it points to the file location for Black Dragon or change BD to point to Firestorm's.

I haven't tried it. I think it should work without problem. But, I won't try to guarantee it.

Be aware that as chat files grow and increase in number the viewer slows down and requires more memory. About once a year I archive my chat files leaving the chat log folder empty. I think I see an improvement in speed. But, I haven't actually clocked it. Also, my chat files get big and there are lots of them... (currently 90MB in 280+ files) I suppose big and lots are relative terms likely to be quite different for different people. 

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Queen of the May

In general, in putting together my own fashion shots, I've tried to keep the background for the pics fairly minimalistic in order to focus attention upon the garments themselves. The backdrops have also been deliberately "stagey," again to underline that the focus should be upon the outfits, but have also been designed to give the style that I'm highlighting additional depth and meaning.

This pic is a bit of a departure in that sense. It still features a fairly sparse and artificial backdrop -- a tree, some grass and flowers, and a smoke machine -- but I've used the lighting to produce a more dramatic effect. The trade-off is that the garments themselves are, perhaps, not as easy to see as they are in some of my other fashion pics. But my sense of this particular outfit is that it's as much about the "vibe" that it communicates as the detail.

I've also added a bit of irony and incongruity -- this too seemed to me to be suggested by the Asteria outfit itself.

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Essenz - Mallorca Sandal Heels
Essenz - Mallorca Ankle Bracelets
Asteria - "Lady Faith" Pencil Skirt
Asteria - "Lady Faith" Top
Asteria - "Lady Faith" Gloves
Secret Poses - Sunflowers Crown

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what I do is looking at the outfit I want to blog, find a way to portrait it in an appropriate, hopefully different and sometimes funny/quirky way to portrait it, setup the scene, style the outfit , write up my style card (listing everything that´s seen in the picture), prepare the post, hop over to BlackDragon and let the fun begin:

- Poser  to adjust an existing pose or do one based on the AO or SL stand

- windlights adjusted until I see fit

- angles

- projectors (LumiPro and/or further ones, might be bought ones or selfmade glowy balls

- play with BD´s graphic settings (colour correction and whatever I see fit)

- take the pic - in 4k usually these days - save

then add pic to blog, finish it up, upload to Flickr, release blog, release flickr, PR - NEXT

I try to make my pics portray my own style in every pic I take so the designers have a nice lil change, it´s a bit different from other bloggers maybe using the same outfit in parts (I´ve recently noticed colleagues using several items in a pic a couple of hours after I released mine and I love how similar yet different the pics are)

It´s not a big secret that I do not use anything post editing-wise. I did some pics of the hud added to the pic or something like that with paint.net a while ago but I stopped doing that, really.

 

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