Polenth Yue Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 52 minutes ago, MoiraKathleen said: I see Dinkies and Tinies as full grown, so not presenting as under 18. When I'm a Dinkie, I always consider myself as an adult Dinkie. Most of the tinies and dinkies I know are also adults. They don't roleplay being children with parents. Some are married. In my own case, I don't have a baby mushroom avatar, but it's something that would have been possible after I finish the rigged version. This opens up the question of whether a baby mushroom would be expected to wear knickers or would need a censor bar over the gills. And if anyone actually thought of that when saying it was all avatar types. Personally, I think that if an adult version of a non-human avatar can be naked in general regions without breaking the content rules, a child version shouldn't need a modesty patch. But if they're going for the strict version of this, a new game can be to figure out where we'd put the modesty patch on a baby default plywood cube. 2 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamond Marchant Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Coffee Pancake said: iOS includes a web browser. Our evil is small and weird next to the content that can deliver. Exactly. Some say VHS beat Betamax because of porn support. It’s not that simple but this history was known to Jobs. My brief research into subreddits on this suggests that defaults are what matter. A determined user can access adult content and a determined developer can provide it. Edited May 10 by diamond Marchant 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scylla Rhiadra Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 (edited) 9 hours ago, Polenth Yue said: a child version shouldn't need a modesty patch. I'm really not up on my furry avatars, so I don't know . . . I know that anthropomorphic furries have attachments and such, and can be VERY "Adult" indeed -- but how prominent are the genitals on most feral furries? Do we need to put little baked-in "X"s on all those kitty butts? (I'm sure you're fine as long as you don't wave those spores around too prominently.) Edited May 10 by Scylla Rhiadra 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zalificent Corvinus Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 6 minutes ago, diamond Marchant said: and a determined developer can provide it You think LL are a "determined developer"? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee Pancake Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 10 minutes ago, Zalificent Corvinus said: Nobody ever accused Awful Mac of abiding by their own rules for others. twitter and facebook. both of which have met the grounds for inciting genocide, amongst other things. telegram; piracy, pervs and real crims. discord; gamers, crypto bros and enough furry porn for aliens to nope us into the sun ... and those are just the big brand apps 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polenth Yue Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 4 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said: I'm really not up on my furry avatars, so I don't know . . . I know that anthropomorphic furries have attachments and such, and can be VERY "Adult" indeed -- but how prominent are the genitals on most feral furries? Do we need to put little baked-in "X"s on all those kitty butts? (I'm sure your fine as long as you don't wave those spores around too prominently.) I was imagining realistic kittens having to run around in bikinis, which is just not doing what I think they were thinking it would be doing. 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiritSparrow Skydancer Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 2 hours ago, Ayashe Ninetails said: I can't possibly imagine feral avatars would be included in this. I'd laugh myself into orbit. Anyone who puts their wolf into a speedo is definitely going the malicious compliance route. Also, I just peeked on the MP. There's a metric ton of stuff that technically could be affected in the furry realm (just looking at things that could be sized into teen). Like this kit (which, omg I think I kind of need this in my life, this is cute as hell, whaaaaat): Is that avatar a child? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Persephone Emerald Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 18 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said: Do we need to put little baked-in "X"s on all those kitty butts? You can buy cat butthole covers on Amazon. I'm sure some enterprising person can make some to sell on MP. 20 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alwin Alcott Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 5 hours ago, Scylla Rhiadra said: Also someone asking that "extreme violence" be now permitted on Moderate regions so that kids can participate in combat RP. Which I'd sure as hell fight. And also, kids in gory, violent combat RP? WTF? i thought violence was already classified as Adult?... if so the answer is clear. Extreme Violence on M is in that case simply not allowed. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alwin Alcott Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 5 hours ago, MissSweetViolet said: I just got through watching the video, over all I'm satisfied. I think the only thing things they didn't really answer yet was, is it going to be okay to use alphas for clothing [my assumption is yes as long as the modesty skin is worn, but would still be nice to hear it definitively], and how this affects older teens who use adult bodies. isn't this the answer? [14:35] Keira Linden: The other concern in regards to the modesty layer is how it will impact existing content. To be clear, we are requiring skin sellers to have the areas shown in the images use a modesty layer on the skin files. However, for existing content, bake layers and alphas can be a viable temporary solution but we would STRONGLY encourage everyone to move to a more permanent solution. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scylla Rhiadra Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 1 minute ago, Alwin Alcott said: i thought violence was already classified as Adult?... if so the answer is clear. Extreme Violence on M is in that case simply not allowed. Yes, it is. That's the point. There was at least one child avatar at the meeting who was upset that being banned from Adult regions meant no longer being able to join in combat RP. They wanted the rules for Moderate regions changed so that "extreme violence" -- and combat RP -- was permissible there. It's not going to happen. It was just a really stupid ask, which is why I commented on it. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee Pancake Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 36 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said: I'm really not up on my furry avatars, so I don't know . . . I know that anthropomorphic furries have attachments and such, and can be VERY "Adult" indeed -- but how prominent are the genitals on most feral furries? Don't ask questions you don't want the answer to .. Scylla !! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scylla Rhiadra Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 Just now, Coffee Pancake said: Don't ask questions you don't want the answer to .. Scylla !! I actually knew a feral dog here a long time ago. He was a forumite, and a really sweet man. I met up with him a few times in-world. And I never even thought to look!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scylla Rhiadra Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 3 minutes ago, Alwin Alcott said: isn't this the answer? [14:35] Keira Linden: The other concern in regards to the modesty layer is how it will impact existing content. To be clear, we are requiring skin sellers to have the areas shown in the images use a modesty layer on the skin files. However, for existing content, bake layers and alphas can be a viable temporary solution but we would STRONGLY encourage everyone to move to a more permanent solution. I may be misunderstanding Miss Sweet's question, but I don't think she's asking about using alphas to hide naughty bits. She's asking if it's ok to use alphas as one normally does, to ensure that the body is properly hidden beneath mesh clothes, even when that obscures and hides the baked-in undies on the skin. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaise Glendevon Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 43 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said: I'm really not up on my furry avatars, so I don't know . . . I know that anthropomorphic furries have attachments and such, and can be VERY "Adult" indeed -- but how prominent are the genitals on most feral furries? Do we need to put little baked-in "X"s on all those kitty butts? (I'm sure your fine as long as you don't wave those spores around too prominently.) Serious answer to a light-hearted question, but all of the major manufacturers of feral avatars are pretty opposed to making them anatomically correct. No one's putting covers on kitty butts, but making third party mods to give your four legged avatar private parts is a good way to get yeeted out of developers groups and permissions for mod kits. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee Pancake Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 4 minutes ago, Blaise Glendevon said: Serious answer to a light-hearted question, but all of the major manufacturers of feral avatars are pretty opposed to making them anatomically correct. No one's putting covers on kitty butts, but making third party mods to give your four legged avatar private parts is a good way to get yeeted out of developers groups and permissions for mod kits. You probably don't want to search the marketplace for feral with only adult enabled then. It's more common in world and it's not getting anyone 'yeeted'. Pretending this isn't a thing is not protecting anyone. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaise Glendevon Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 1 minute ago, Coffee Pancake said: You probably don't want to search the marketplace for feral with only adult enabled then. It's more common in world and it's not getting anyone 'yeeted'. Pretending this isn't a thing is not protecting anyone. I don't doubt that there are people violating community norms to create third-party modifications for ferals. But those people are doing so without the authorizations of the body's manufacturers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aethelwine Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 1 hour ago, Scylla Rhiadra said: I'm really not up on my furry avatars, so I don't know . . . I know that anthropomorphic furries have attachments and such, and can be VERY "Adult" indeed -- but how prominent are the genitals on most feral furries? Do we need to put little baked-in "X"s on all those kitty butts? (I'm sure your fine as long as you don't wave those spores around too prominently.) Full on bikinis required 3 21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alwin Alcott Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 5 hours ago, BriannaLovey said: At some point, whatever subcultures of people still using young-looking (child or otherwise) avatars on SL will have it in their best interests to leave for another platform due to the increasing amounts of corporate red tape regarding their lifestyle. The normies who don't like young-looking avatars will stay on SL, those who they don't like will leave for greener pastures, and neither will bother one another ever again. Not saying this is what I want or don't want, just that this is outcome is made inevitable due to the incentive structure LL is creating. You can try to find another platform of course, but i think you'll have to enter the darkweb soon. The governments are looking at nearly all adult presentations on the web, and enforcing more rules at the hostingcompanies. There are no normies against you, it are the weirdo's forcing for actions by providers. The green pastures at the other side of the fence will also be mowed. The best interest for involved people is think about what's acceptable for them. Sim on a stick might be the best option for some. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alwin Alcott Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 2 hours ago, Madi Melodious said: How long is temporary? in business it mostly means "till there's enough content available thats in line with the new rules" It's upon creators to start that a.s.a.p .. or it might lead to a rewriting of parts of the TOS and be less flexible. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scylla Rhiadra Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 5 hours ago, BriannaLovey said: The normies who don't like young-looking avatars will stay on SL And this kind of thing is an example of why I hate this word. It should be possible to discuss all of this without boxing people up into obnoxious and condescending categories that posit some kind of stupidly mythical "culture war." 13 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scylla Rhiadra Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 9 minutes ago, Aethelwine said: Full on bikinis required It had occurred to me that the famous statue of the Capitoline Wolf, which shows a she-wolf suckling the infants Romulus and Remus should now be completely banned in SL: it shows two naked infants with full frontal genitals, and no less than eight wolf teats! Although I suppose some enterprising content creator could bake in some modestly layers? I am actually assuming (hopeful thing that I am) that no AR against a Renaissance painting featuring naked putti is going to be taken seriously? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaylinbridges Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 3 hours ago, Arwyn Quandry said: That's the tricky bit. Since wolves have six nipples, they'd need three! Just a set of 6 pasties is all you need. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Istelathis Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 14 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said: And this kind of thing is an example of why I hate this word. It should be possible to discuss all of this without boxing people up into obnoxious and condescending categories that posit some kind of stupidly mythical "culture war." Shhhh... I want to give off the illusion that I am normal! I'm also okay with basic, vanilla, and heck I even can go with NPC. I'm normal, I tells ya! Total normie here, normal as can be, I got a live, love, laugh sign hanging above my head. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Persephone Emerald Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 2 hours ago, Zalificent Corvinus said: Be smarter. Be Best. (Anti-bullying slogan by a former US first lady) 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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