hazeonelove Posted February 21, 2014 Author Share Posted February 21, 2014 ... Your nickname is now Morpheus I appreciate your words, thank you! Hope to see you sometimes inworld and have a chat. But until then, safe travels and safe journey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freya Mokusei Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 I borrowed my (admittedly weak) analogy from a video by . His application is far better, but it can apply to most areas where people are quick to believe they have all the answers.Thanks for the offer of a chat - I imagine I sound far less spooky in-world. Take care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazeonelove Posted February 21, 2014 Author Share Posted February 21, 2014 Lol I didn't find anything spooky. But you're definitely NOT boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tari Landar Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 hazeonelove wrote: If I may... But I just recommend you get to know people before judging them on their taste or their appearance. Somehow, I have a feeling that this way of thinking is a prominent factor in your RL as well, carried over on to SL. You can be whoever you want in SL... Why be you? I recommend you watch which person you're replying to. I'm the one that said another poster shouldn't be so judgmental of others' choices. I said exactly the opposite of what it is you seem to think I have said. I happent o think RP is a good thing, in most contexts, actually. I think it's a fantastic thing for most people. I'm glad folks have sl, and, well, other places as well, to "be" who they want. I do the same thing myself, I'd never judge others on their RP. Which is what I said. I think the comments another poster made were absurd. My way of thinking is live and let live, assuming no one is harming another, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tari Landar Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Leia36 wrote: amazing how quickly this turned into a slinging match ..I made my point, moving on Slinging match? You're the one that said people who rp as child avatars need a shrink, lol. I did the exact opposite. I think people should be able to rp as they please-within the TOS of course-and not be judged so harshly by others who either don't share those desires, or simply don't understand them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qie Niangao Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 hazeonelove wrote: I appreciate that thank you. I know can be a bit scatter brained and off topic at moments. But I'm glad some of you can still piece it together and understand it. Thank you! Well, they're doing better than I am. Is this thread really intended to be about getting banned for setting somebody's titler? Really? Okay, I'll play along. Those things exist to create drama. That's the whole effing point of them. If you choose to set them, you've voluntarily engaged in that drama, and then when you get drama, you don't get to b!tch about it. Now if this thread is really about "PedoBeach" and this "brother" who likes to hang out there, well that's just fine. Carry on. That couldn't cause any drama. Nope, never. For example, this "brother" won't suddenly discover his account is permabanned. Nah, that won't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marigold Devin Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 I can never resist a titler either, although I don't every put anything toooooooo bad, and have only ever once been "shouted at" for changing the titler. If certain seemingly illegal places exist in Second Life, then you can be sure one day Linden Lab will get into a whole heap of trouble if they have either encouraged it or turned a blind eye to it. If you see something that doesn't sit right with you, report it. I would and I do. There is a ton of stuff inworld that looks to me to be over a line, but that's probably just my own perception. Report, don't participate, then move on. Let Linden Lab look into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marigold Devin Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Kwakkelde Kwak wrote: hazeonelove wrote: That's where he hangs out, so now, we will not be able to hang out. Unless he wants to leave that place for awhile. hazeonelove wrote: And you can ask around, this beach is known as the Pedo-Beach. Alarm bells anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrie Juran Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Qie Niangao wrote: hazeonelove wrote: I appreciate that thank you. I know can be a bit scatter brained and off topic at moments. But I'm glad some of you can still piece it together and understand it. Thank you! Well, they're doing better than I am. Is this thread really intended to be about getting banned for setting somebody's titler? Really? Okay, I'll play along. Those things exist to create drama. That's the whole effing point of them. If you choose to set them, you've voluntarily engaged in that drama, and then when you get drama, you don't get to b!tch about it. Now if this thread is really about "PedoBeach" and this "brother" who likes to hang out there, well that's just fine. Carry on. That couldn't cause any drama. Nope, never. For example, this "brother" won't suddenly discover his account is permabanned. Nah, that won't happen. Good job of boiling this down to the salient points. What my questions are is if the OP knew the reputation of this beach why he would even go there and if he knew his brother's association with this beach why he had not shunned him to begin with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madelaine McMasters Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Leia36 wrote: Tari Landar wrote: Leia36 wrote: I reserve the right to judge what content I interact with or view on the internet. RP is fine, however for myself if a child AV is involved I walk away period. That is my right as a user of SL. I didn't say you couldn't judge what, or who, you're willing to interact with. That's not even remotely what you actually said. Maybe you didn't read what it was you were posting. You also did not say "rp is fine", not even remotely. I really hope the next time a discussion about rp in general comes up, you don't go off all half cocked at people who find YOUR brand of rp as deserving of a weekend visit in the psych ward. Or that your particular brand of rp makes you sick, twisted, in need of help, lacking something in rl...or any number of nasty things I have seen people spout off about others' choices of rp. It's fine and dandy to not like something, not want to be near it, and choose to avoid it, etc.. I get that. There's lots in sl I'd never participate in. However, my decision, for myself, has no bearing on the decisions others make for their selves. I don't get to decide who is in need of a doc for their "troubles" just because I don't share them. I think that's a very sad way to look at, or think about, individuals, based entirely on the fact that I don't share their rp desires. I'm not into gor, or the slave/sub areas of sl...but lots of folks are. That's awesome for them. Just because it's not ideal for me, doesn't mean they all need a shrink, or better batteries The concepts are the same, regardless of which area of rp it is you're against, you really shouldn't be so very judgmental when plenty have seen what happens when folks have judged your own brand of rp. amazing how quickly this turned into a slinging match ..I made my point, moving on Leia, you certainly made a point with me, but I wonder if it's the point you had in mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syo Emerald Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 To the initial problem: I once had a script/object that allowed you to create and atach a personal title. It wasn't changeable for others, but gave freedom to have a title without using grouptitles. So there is something like this out there...a look at the marketplace can't hurt and maybe I'll either find this object in my inventory or in an alts inventory...it must be somewhere... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madelaine McMasters Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 You've comingled two disparate issues, and seem to have put your indignation on backwards. The titler is a complete non-issue for me. I find them banal, but appreciate their signaling ability. You accepted a dare and lost. End of story. But that you would visit a place known to you as "Pedo-Beach", tolerate "5-15" "blatant"ly inappropriate IMs (which, contrary to your statement, would make acceptable AR material), and then say "to each their own"? That demonstrates a worrisome moral confusion. I see no dilemma here. Why do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amethyst Jetaime Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 If you suspect sexual age play then report it. Let LL sort it out. They have access to IM's etc and can confirm your suspicion that the age play is going on in private IM's or not and take appropriate action. LL itself recommends this. As far as your brother, sorry but if he knew about that place and hangs out there i'd run far away for your own protection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leia36 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Madelaine McMasters wrote: Leia36 wrote: Tari Landar wrote: Leia36 wrote: I reserve the right to judge what content I interact with or view on the internet. RP is fine, however for myself if a child AV is involved I walk away period. That is my right as a user of SL. I didn't say you couldn't judge what, or who, you're willing to interact with. That's not even remotely what you actually said. Maybe you didn't read what it was you were posting. You also did not say "rp is fine", not even remotely. I really hope the next time a discussion about rp in general comes up, you don't go off all half cocked at people who find YOUR brand of rp as deserving of a weekend visit in the psych ward. Or that your particular brand of rp makes you sick, twisted, in need of help, lacking something in rl...or any number of nasty things I have seen people spout off about others' choices of rp. It's fine and dandy to not like something, not want to be near it, and choose to avoid it, etc.. I get that. There's lots in sl I'd never participate in. However, my decision, for myself, has no bearing on the decisions others make for their selves. I don't get to decide who is in need of a doc for their "troubles" just because I don't share them. I think that's a very sad way to look at, or think about, individuals, based entirely on the fact that I don't share their rp desires. I'm not into gor, or the slave/sub areas of sl...but lots of folks are. That's awesome for them. Just because it's not ideal for me, doesn't mean they all need a shrink, or better batteries The concepts are the same, regardless of which area of rp it is you're against, you really shouldn't be so very judgmental when plenty have seen what happens when folks have judged your own brand of rp. amazing how quickly this turned into a slinging match ..I made my point, moving on Leia, you certainly made a point with me, but I wonder if it's the point you had in mind. *laughs .. this is nothing new I have a thread locked over this issue already .. I simply do not countenance child RP .. I will and do deal with many types of RP .. When it comes to kids I will not be quiet .. If that makes me bad then so be it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheriColette Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Yes difficult (to report or not to report) I think if something worries you >>>>then report it. At least you have passed it on for review. Fresh eyes to look at the situation. Its not you who is making the decision, to put any sanctions on any activity. Personally I do not like to see children in adult rp and would feel very uncomforable about being around such things. Its easy to tp away though. Thats the best thing about sl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syo Emerald Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 So yeah, roleplaying a female slave is absolutly sane and fine, but chosing a childavatar makes the person a psycho and pedophile instantly? LOL. Also...not every childavatar engages in any sort of RP or at least not all the time (family- and school-roleplays seem to be popular), but for you it makes them instantly part of some creepy rp by chosing a certain type of avatar? Then I must be roleplaying a redhaired woman all the time without knowing it... You are really barking at the wrong tree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaskyaClaren Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Syo Emerald wrote: So yeah, roleplaying a female slave is absolutly sane and fine, but chosing a childavatar makes the person a psycho and pedophile instantly? LOL. Also...not every childavatar engages in any sort of RP or at least not all the time (family- and school-roleplays seem to be popular), but for you it makes them instantly part of some creepy rp by chosing a certain type of avatar? Then I must be roleplaying a redhaired woman all the time without knowing it... You are really barking at the wrong tree. Leia is by no means the first person I've known to express this kind of view. It's an inconsistency in attitude that I've never understood, nor ever heard a really coherent explanation for. Role playing adult-themed taboos (sexual violence, rape, snuff, slavery, etc.) which may involve RL women taking on the role of "victims" is perfectly ok, doesn't have deleterious social effects, etc. It's just RP, right? Child-themed role playing that almost certainly does not involve RL children, on the other hand, is terrible and must be stopped, because, somehow, it's not just RP. Because children? How much of this attitude is logical, and how much purely emotional? I'll be interested to hear if Leia responds; I'm quite sincerely interested in hearing the justification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qie Niangao Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 I'm "quite confused" at this point. Is there seriously an argument being made that all roleplay of children is bad? Or is there just a shorthand for sexual roleplay? I mean, if it's all child roleplay, then Huckleberry Finn must be morally equivalent to child pornography -- and anyone who would assert that would have to be more corrupted than a child abuser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syo Emerald Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 I know she is not the first person who looks down on childavatars and makes such statements, but since I met her inworld and know her for a while I'm shocked that she belongs to said people. Its shocking to see how people suddenly drop all liberal and tolerant traits and turn into some monsters with the attitude of some right-wing conservative/religious extremist. On top of that its pretty much a "glas-house" situation. There is more than one thing that she enjoys doing, that would require at least some, if not a lot tolerance and openess from others. Don't throw rocks, if you are sitting in a house made of glas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaskyaClaren Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Qie Niangao wrote: I'm "quite confused" at this point. Is there seriously an argument being made that all roleplay of children is bad? Or is there just a shorthand for sexual roleplay? I mean, if it's all child roleplay, then Huckleberry Finn must be morally equivalent to child pornography -- and anyone who would assert that would have to be more corrupted than a child abuser. I don't think that the sexual/non-sexual distinction is being made here at all: I think all age play is being condemned in a blanket fashion. To quote Leia's first post here, "There is nothing sweet or innocent about a grown adult impersonating an 8 year old for any reason." I've heard this argument before, as, I know, have you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaskyaClaren Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Syo Emerald wrote: I know she is not the first person who looks down on childavatars and makes such statements, but since I met her inworld and know her for a while I'm shocked that she belongs to said people. Its shocking to see how people suddenly drop all liberal and tolerant traits and turn into some monsters with the attitude of some right-wing conservative/religious extremist. On top of that its pretty much a "glas-house" situation. There is more than one thing that she enjoys doing, that would require at least some, if not a lot tolerance and openess from others. Don't throw rocks, if you are sitting in a house made of glas. In general, I agree with you of course. But there is something about our cultural notions of "children" and "childhood" that tends to throw normal logic right out the door. It's a culturally-specific thing, of course: our entire definition of "childhood," what defines it, and what it "means" is historically contingent, and relatively recent (i.e., within the last 3 centuries or so). But there is so much emotional baggage attached to the whole concept of "the child" that we tend, as a culture, to respond in a knee-jerk and highly emotional way to anything that seems to even remotely threaten it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qie Niangao Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 LaskyaClaren wrote: Qie Niangao wrote: I'm "quite confused" at this point. Is there seriously an argument being made that all roleplay of children is bad? Or is there just a shorthand for sexual roleplay? I mean, if it's all child roleplay, then Huckleberry Finn must be morally equivalent to child pornography -- and anyone who would assert that would have to be more corrupted than a child abuser. I don't think that the sexual/non-sexual distinction is being made here at all: I think all age play is being condemned in a blanket fashion. To quote Leia's first post here, "There is nothing sweet or innocent about a grown adult impersonating an 8 year old for any reason." I've heard this argument before, as, I know, have you. That's disappointing, and surprising in this case, but yes, I've heard it before. I guess a charitable interpretation might be that the view derives from a very limited appreciation of role play. That's more charitable, anyway, than the obvious interpretation, which I think applies to some others who've expressed that view in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaskyaClaren Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Qie Niangao wrote: LaskyaClaren wrote: Qie Niangao wrote: I'm "quite confused" at this point. Is there seriously an argument being made that all roleplay of children is bad? Or is there just a shorthand for sexual roleplay? I mean, if it's all child roleplay, then Huckleberry Finn must be morally equivalent to child pornography -- and anyone who would assert that would have to be more corrupted than a child abuser. I don't think that the sexual/non-sexual distinction is being made here at all: I think all age play is being condemned in a blanket fashion. To quote Leia's first post here, "There is nothing sweet or innocent about a grown adult impersonating an 8 year old for any reason." I've heard this argument before, as, I know, have you. That's disappointing, and surprising in this case, but yes, I've heard it before. I guess a charitable interpretation might be that the view derives from a very limited appreciation of role play. That's more charitable, anyway, than the obvious interpretation, which I think applies to some others who've expressed that view in the past. The explanations I've heard in the past have tended to rely upon imputing motives to those engaged in age play that were simply not demonstrable. They relied upon blindly accepting the objector's view that age players must be up to no good because, well . . . just take her word for it. I suppose it could represent a failure of the imagination, or an inability to understand what role play is and does, or a host of very personal associations to which we can't have access. In any case, it is certainly not logical or, so far as I've ever seen, rationally demonstrable. In fairness, I will suggest, with reference to your earlier posting, that there is a difference between reading Huckleberry Finn and role playing it as a child. But that difference need not imply what Leia is obviously implying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qie Niangao Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Possibly. Literature, however, is not just reading, but also writing. As is roleplay. I mean, it's fine if some people think their SL is all about teh sexors. That they'd presume to impose that view on others -- and impugn others' motives on that basis -- well, that's where it's wrong, sick, or both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaskyaClaren Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Qie Niangao wrote: Possibly. Literature, however, is not just reading, but also writing. As is roleplay. Certainly. There is a large area of overlap between all three categories: reading, writing, and roleplay, and RP of course partakes of both the others. But, while all three are "immersive" to some degree, the immersiveness of RP is different in some important ways. For instance, there is a logic to the unfolding of a narrative in both reading and writing that need not necessarily apply to RP. How that difference applies here, though, is the question. Qie Niangao wrote: I mean, it's fine if some people think their SL is all about teh sexors. That they'd presume to impose that view on others -- and impugn others' motives on that basis -- well, that's where it's wrong, sick, or both. Yes, agreed, when that is what is occurring. But I can imagine scenarios -- say, a man or woman who was abused as a child in RL -- where other motivations and factors might come into play. And I suppose it's possible that Leia's objections to age play do not assume that it is always sexual; she may have other objections to it. But we won't know until or if she clarifies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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