Update from Patch Linden on "Spicy Content"

[Rowan Amore]

10 minutes ago, Madi Melodious said:

A better option would be to remove all adult content from Second Life all together.  There is plenty to do in SL without it.  A sizable proportion of the user base, including yours truly, has nothing to do with it.  So, there would be plenty to do in SL after removing the minority of users that only log in for that type of content. 

Just about everything that is causing problems in SL can be traced back to the inclusion of adult content.  The issues with the credit card, paypal, and other payment processors.  The removal of adult content would alleviate all that.  New laws that require invasive age verification be implemented.   Remove adult content and that all goes away.  Without adult content on the platform both Apple and Google wouldn't have any issues with including a mobile app.    Getting rid of adult content would solve most, if not all of SL publicity problems. 

Let's look at the business opportunities that removing the adult content would open up.  Second Life is restricted to being an adult platform because of the inclusion of adult material.  By removing it the age of participation in the platform could be be lowered to 13 or lower.  It is common knowledge that preteens and teenagers have more disposable income to spend on games and other trivial entertainment.   An influx of users in this age bracket would be a gold mine to both creators and the Lab in general.  

There simply is no downside to removing adult content from the platform.   

When you see that 2 out of the top 20 attachments are adult related (aside from various heads and bodies), I'd assume the minority you speak of is actually the majority.

While children may spend some of their disposable income on games, adults still spend more. No teen is going to spend $200+ a month to own a region.  Where adults mostly like their own parcel of land or Linden home, I see kids getting together with a dozen or so friends and spending 10L a week on one of those rentals. No need to buy furniture or decor as some of those are furnished.  So, no land sales or premium memberships.  Might as well get rid of Maitreya and any other adult body as well as the clothing and anything else sold for them.  

I certainly hope you're being facetious.

 

[Madi Melodious]

3 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:

I certainly hope you're being facetious.

😎

Just want to point out that, the door can swing both ways.  You want to make  up some silly reason to remove child avatars, I can come up with something just as silly, and make it make sense to some users.

 

 

Edited June 28 by Madi Melodious

[Rowan Amore]

Just now, Madi Melodious said:

😎

Yeah, I don't know what that's supposed to mean.  PBR is too bright for you?

[Stephanie Misfit]

19 minutes ago, Madi Melodious said:

A better option would be to remove all adult content from Second Life all together.  There is plenty to do in SL without it.  A sizable proportion of the user base, including yours truly, has nothing to do with it.  So, there would be plenty to do in SL after removing the minority of users that only log in for that type of content. 

Just about everything that is causing problems in SL can be traced back to the inclusion of adult content.  The issues with the credit card, paypal, and other payment processors.  The removal of adult content would alleviate all that.  New laws that require invasive age verification be implemented.   Remove adult content and that all goes away.  Without adult content on the platform both Apple and Google wouldn't have any issues with including a mobile app.    Getting rid of adult content would solve most, if not all of SL publicity problems. 

Let's look at the business opportunities that removing the adult content would open up.  Second Life is restricted to being an adult platform because of the inclusion of adult material.  By removing it the age of participation in the platform could be be lowered to 13 or lower.  It is common knowledge that preteens and teenagers have more disposable income to spend on games and other trivial entertainment.   An influx of users in this age bracket would be a gold mine to both creators and the Lab in general.  

There simply is no downside to removing adult content from the platform.   

No downsides? The mass exodus of users if adult content was removed is a massive downside. But I think your post is just trolling anyway, nobody would seriously suggest this as a good idea.

[Madi Melodious]

Just now, Rowan Amore said:

Yeah, I don't know what that's supposed to mean.  PBR is too bright for you?

it means, i hit the submit button to quick  🥰

[Annie Nova]

22 minutes ago, Madi Melodious said:

A better option would be to remove all adult content from Second Life all together.  There is plenty to do in SL without it.  A sizable proportion of the user base, including yours truly, has nothing to do with it.  So, there would be plenty to do in SL after removing the minority of users that only log in for that type of content. 

Just about everything that is causing problems in SL can be traced back to the inclusion of adult content.  The issues with the credit card, paypal, and other payment processors.  The removal of adult content would alleviate all that.  New laws that require invasive age verification be implemented.   Remove adult content and that all goes away.  Without adult content on the platform both Apple and Google wouldn't have any issues with including a mobile app.    Getting rid of adult content would solve most, if not all of SL publicity problems. 

Let's look at the business opportunities that removing the adult content would open up.  Second Life is restricted to being an adult platform because of the inclusion of adult material.  By removing it the age of participation in the platform could be be lowered to 13 or lower.  It is common knowledge that preteens and teenagers have more disposable income to spend on games and other trivial entertainment.   An influx of users in this age bracket would be a gold mine to both creators and the Lab in general.  

There simply is no downside to removing adult content from the platform.   

Oh yes and while we're at it let's disneyfy everything in SL *rolls my eyes and loses them*

 

[Rowan Amore]

9 minutes ago, Annie Nova said:

I also started in 08 and maybe it's my memory but I don't remember ever having to show any form of identification. *shrugs*

I started in 2009 and there was no verification until later that year, IIRC when they opened Zindra.  Didn't last long.

[Love Zhaoying]

It's interesting to see the vocal minority start loudly complaining when something they do not like comes up. 

[Zalificent Corvinus]

1 hour ago, Madi Melodious said:

A better option would be to remove all adult content from Second Life all together. 

Thank you for your confession to being a Public Enemy of SecondLife, pledged to the destruction of the platform, The latest in a series of similar public confessions.

Your suggestion to remove 1/3rd of the grid, and the majority of the trade revenue has been noted and consigned to the trash can where it belongs.

 

[Madi Melodious]

1 minute ago, Zalificent Corvinus said:

Thank you for your confession to being a Public Enemy of SecondLife, pledged to the destruction of the platform, The latest in a series of similar public confessions.

Your suggestion to remove 1/3rd of the grid, and the majority of the trade revenue has been noted and consigned to the trash can where it belongs.

 

I didn't say it was a good idea, just a better idea than anything you ever come up with.  While nobody takes you seriously, given the right spin on my comment it could happen. 

[Zalificent Corvinus]

4 minutes ago, Madi Melodious said:

I didn't say it was a good idea, just a better idea than anything you ever come up with.  While nobody takes you seriously, given the right spin on my comment it could happen. 

Ban all adult content, destroy the platform in months if not weeks.

Ban Tiny Toxic Terror Tots, 95% of SecondLife won't even notice you're gone, let alone care, platform survives.

 

[Madi Melodious]

25 minutes ago, Zalificent Corvinus said:

Ban all adult content, destroy the platform in months if not weeks.

Ban Tiny Toxic Terror Tots, 95% of SecondLife won't even notice you're gone, let alone care, platform survives.

 

Under your plan it survives.  Under my plan it would thrive.   New markets, new opportunities for content creators.   Less regulation hurdles.  We could even open entire continents to the religious right.  

Oh before I forget

**Touching Grass**
Bare feet on dew-kissed blades,
Earth's embrace whispers secrets,
Roots entwine our souls.
 

💖Be Well!💖

Edited June 28 by Madi Melodious

[PheebyKatz]

10 hours ago, Sid Nagy said:

Texas is huge, but is it big enough to block the progress for the rest of the world?
And besides that, adult content isn't exactly new to Second Life, so if it is allowed now, I guess it will be allowed then too.
 

I think it's all part of LL adapting to just such conditions out there in the real world, making adult stuff easier for those inclined towards it, while still keeping a "clean" side out there for everyone else. It's like bifurcating the way in, so as to make things more pleasant for people on both sides of the adult content fence.

I think it also might even make it more exciting and fun for a lot of people, the idea of bypassing the swanky freebie mall, skipping tiny town and elf land, and going straight to the back door where the crazy grownup party is happening.

Also keeping themselves covered in the event of expanding online censorship. SL having two heads, as it were, they can always keep a foot in the door in places that disallow their adult side.

I see the new TOS changes as part of this same pattern. There's better potential for the whole "spicy side" thing to become its own distinct entity if it needs to by already having more clear-cut and solid boundaries set between "adulting" SL and non-"adulting" SL.

Red-light districts in RL work the same way. Those who dig that scene know just how to get there, and nobody else even really notices it's there, usually. And, generally, this is for the best for everyone. Ideally.

I think it's smart in more than one direction, really. Especially since, technically, they could even sort of regulate who could sign up for what sort of access if they had to, based on region and legality in said region, if it came down to it.

At the same time, it also kind of looks like a good way of shuttling all of the people who just want to "play porn games" and treat SL in that fashion into the same virtual space, to the benefit of themselves and everyone else. Improving the user experience.

Still, having grown up in Texas, I can tell you it's like a whole other country. XD Y'all have no idea.

Edited June 28 by PheebyKatz

[BriannaLovey]

2 hours ago, Madi Melodious said:

A better option would be to remove all adult content from Second Life all together.  There is plenty to do in SL without it.  A sizable proportion of the user base, including yours truly, has nothing to do with it.  So, there would be plenty to do in SL after removing the minority of users that only log in for that type of content. 

Just about everything that is causing problems in SL can be traced back to the inclusion of adult content.  The issues with the credit card, paypal, and other payment processors.  The removal of adult content would alleviate all that.  New laws that require invasive age verification be implemented.   Remove adult content and that all goes away.  Without adult content on the platform both Apple and Google wouldn't have any issues with including a mobile app.    Getting rid of adult content would solve most, if not all of SL publicity problems. 

Let's look at the business opportunities that removing the adult content would open up.  Second Life is restricted to being an adult platform because of the inclusion of adult material.  By removing it the age of participation in the platform could be be lowered to 13 or lower.  It is common knowledge that preteens and teenagers have more disposable income to spend on games and other trivial entertainment.   An influx of users in this age bracket would be a gold mine to both creators and the Lab in general.  

There simply is no downside to removing adult content from the platform.   

All bets are off if this happens.

[PheebyKatz]

10 hours ago, Rick Nightingale said:

😲 😍

Probably owned by the same people making the laws restricting access to such things online. Got to protect the profit margin people's livelihoods...

I will not, for reasons of personal safety, name the state or city where I experienced this, but in a certain city in a certain state I once lived in, all "adult" things of any sort were illegal, and the only outlet for said things was owned by the local sheriff, and you had to be photographed before you were allowed into that back room of the furniture store, so they had you dead to rights if you squealed on them.

The same sheriff once told me he could make me "disappear" if I didn't like how things worked in his town, and got legal entities from outside his jurisdiction involved in my own case.

A lot of laws based on morality are exploited by those who enforce them, because there's massive profit to be made by forcing human nature to go underground. This is part of why, despite my own general lack of interest in such things, I so strongly support SL for letting people have romantic fun on its platform, and why I don't diss anyone for liking SL just because it has such things in it.

The internet has crapped up a lot of seedy, genuinely unwholesome financial rackets for a lot of really crappy people IRL. I'm all for that.

I'm all for SL having its adult side, it's part of what sets it apart from so many other platforms, and part of why it's still around. And it's safer, too. Prim bullets only work if damage is enabled.

Edited June 28 by PheebyKatz

[animats]

7 hours ago, Rowan Amore said:

This might be why new age verification methods were mentioned at a previous meeting.  

AGE VERIFICATION – GRUMPITY LINDEN

[Video: 52:10-53:47]

The Lab is investigating third-party age verification tools.

Any option that may be selected has to be the least intrusive possible; the aim is not to put road blocks that prevent people from enjoying their SL.

Any third party partner LL might select for the verification process must be compliant with all current data privacy laws. Companies that do not store data beyond the point of verification “all look very reasonable”

However, no decision has been made “one way or the other” on the use of such tools; they are currently only under consideration for possible adoption.

Well, AU10TIX, the verification service, just had a big data leak. So, not them.

[NaomiLocket]

My probably partly autistic brain could see how specifically close to the word the name is. And now I can't unsee it and simultaneously and immediately expected something like that would happen to the service and the services that used them. I just can't. I'm pinching the bridge of my nose like how could they not see that happening.

[Scylla Rhiadra]

Ban this, ban that . . . whatevs.

BORING.

Can we get back to this really interesting idea of a sexy suburbs? You know, Belli on Cialis?

I have ideas! And a developing business plan!

ETA: And yes, that's a WHISK.

Perverts.

Edited June 28 by Scylla Rhiadra

[Irina Forwzy]

2 hours ago, Madi Melodious said:

Under your plan it survives.  Under my plan it would thrive.   New markets, new opportunities for content creators.   Less regulation hurdles.  We could even open entire continents to the religious right.  

Oh before I forget

**Touching Grass**
Bare feet on dew-kissed blades,
Earth's embrace whispers secrets,
Roots entwine our souls.
 

💖Be Well!💖

Honestly, Don't kid yourself with this.  There's not as many people that want to pay children that will match the adult revenue.

[Irina Forwzy]

1 hour ago, PheebyKatz said:

I think it's all part of LL adapting to just such conditions out there in the real world, making adult stuff easier for those inclined towards it, while still keeping a "clean" side out there for everyone else. It's like bifurcating the way in, so as to make things more pleasant for people on both sides of the adult content fence.

I think it also might even make it more exciting and fun for a lot of people, the idea of bypassing the swanky freebie mall, skipping tiny town and elf land, and going straight to the back door where the crazy grownup party is happening.

Also keeping themselves covered in the event of expanding online censorship. SL having two heads, as it were, they can always keep a foot in the door in places that disallow their adult side.

I see the new TOS changes as part of this same pattern. There's better potential for the whole "spicy side" thing to become its own distinct entity if it needs to by already having more clear-cut and solid boundaries set between "adulting" SL and non-"adulting" SL.

Red-light districts in RL work the same way. Those who dig that scene know just how to get there, and nobody else even really notices it's there, usually. And, generally, this is for the best for everyone. Ideally.

I think it's smart in more than one direction, really. Especially since, technically, they could even sort of regulate who could sign up for what sort of access if they had to, based on region and legality in said region, if it came down to it.

At the same time, it also kind of looks like a good way of shuttling all of the people who just want to "play porn games" and treat SL in that fashion into the same virtual space, to the benefit of themselves and everyone else. Improving the user experience.

Still, having grown up in Texas, I can tell you it's like a whole other country. XD Y'all have no idea.

So is Florida... compete with Texas on every law.

[NaomiLocket]

3 minutes ago, Irina Forwzy said:

Honestly, Don't kid yourself with this.  There's not as many people that want to pay children that will match the adult revenue.

It would be too late to compete with roblox anyway, and they've (roblox) already suffered a couple 'youtube documentary' slanders into child exploitation (generalised). Where as SL is stuck with the cyclic door of the thing we won't name here today.

Edited June 28 by NaomiLocket

[NaomiLocket]

 

How close to the rest of the lands do you think they'd put these suggested continent size landmasses? Zindra's just floating away out there like another realm.

[PheebyKatz]

19 minutes ago, Irina Forwzy said:

So is Florida... compete with Texas on every law.

Yeah, been there. They're like sister-nation-states with globs of the U.S. between.

XD

[Irina Forwzy]

1 minute ago, PheebyKatz said:

Yeah, been there. They're like sister-nation-states with globs of the U.S. between.

XD

Unfortunately....

[Innula Zenovka]

7 hours ago, BilliJo Aldrin said:

Why create a brand new adult continent before finishing Zindra? Would only take a few sims to make it done

Why would LL want to devote Linden and Mole resources to finishing Zindra rather than to developing new content, be it this new Spicy project, updating existing Linden Homes and developing new themes, or working on the regular schedule of seasonal events?

What's the advantage to LL or to SL residents in general?    Certainly I'm more interested in seeing more themes on Bellisseria and a new Adult version of Bellisseria, particularly if it also has shops available too, than I am in seeing one of LL's less attractive projects completed.