Coffee Pancake Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 3 minutes ago, Kathlen Onyx said: NO it's because the child avatar that wants to ****play is RUN by a dirty old man/woman - whatever. Totally different. That's your impression ... and also no different from saying "she's asking for it". 8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indy Melody Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 I keep trying to find it but not having any luck. Maybe it was on the screen of the TOS I read through and then clicked Accept to be able to continue using SL. But wasn't there a listing of about 5 or 6 other things shown as being changed? For some reason, the policy on Snapshot and Machinima policy comes to mind as being one along with the new Child AP policy. Any one else recall the other changes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathlen Onyx Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 3 minutes ago, Aya Sweetheart said: The only protection LL cares about is protecting themselves for legal ramification of CP. This is not for protection of Child avatars or anyone else, or finding pedos or anything... its to prevent RL laws from being broken. Well yeah exactly, so if they prevent the dirty old avatars from being able to be naked then they are protecting themselves from legal ramification. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brodiac90 Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 (edited) 1 minute ago, Indy Melody said: I keep trying to find it but not having any luck. Maybe it was on the screen of the TOS I read through and then clicked Accept to be able to continue using SL. But wasn't there a listing of about 5 or 6 other things shown as being changed? For some reason, the policy on Snapshot and Machinima policy comes to mind as being one along with the new Child AP policy. Any one else recall the other changes? here - https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Clarification_of_policy_disallowing_ageplay Edited May 6 by brodiac90 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BilliJo Aldrin Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 1 minute ago, Aya Sweetheart said: Do you see that all like that if you leave the option to only rez avatars who finished loading? I thought thats why they added that option and leave everyone as smoke clouds until they load. Any idea where that option is? It would make sl so much nicer, and stop giving me nightmares 😁 Under preferences, general, rendering, i have "show avatars that haven't finished loading" unchecked, but I still see nasty misshapen system avis that don't have their mesh bodies loaded yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathlen Onyx Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 26 minutes ago, brodiac90 said: How comfortable would you be playing a child avatar? Or someone of the opposite sex, or orientation? Or being a furry or a vampire or werewolf, etc. I'd feel pretty darn comfortable because I'd set up my SL to comply with the rules. It's NOT that hard. It just takes a bit of set up and organization. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Trihey Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 19 minutes ago, Kathlen Onyx said: The modesty layers are there for the protection of Child avatars not punishment. It's so dirty ole...don't appear nude in front of people. Why can't people see the reasoning for it. Because people don't want to throw away a bunch of time and money replacing their stuff to be in compliance with a rule that is in reality nothing but lip service. This has been established for 100+ pages. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madi Melodious Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 24 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said: What next, people won't be allowed to be nude in their Moderate, fenced-in back yards? (A child may walk by and cam over the fence!) Come on, someone besides me has to see what a "slippery slope" this is. Actually no, there is no slippery slope at all. You have an entire content to run and be naked on. I will remind you that some us are having to choose between being able to represent ourselves in a manner we choose too and having a great deal of the grid cut off from us. Lots of us are choosing to lose that part of the grid so we can keep our in-world personas. I would also remind you that a great deal of us are paying good money to lose this access too. An honestly, I don't see why the lab need to have any moderated regions at all. All land supported by the lab should be G with the exception of Zendra which is a special case. The Blake, roads on the continents, regions on the continents should be G rated. If you buy a whole region or set up a private sim then you can set it to M if you want too. 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chery Amore Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 3 minutes ago, Kathlen Onyx said: I'd feel pretty darn comfortable because I'd set up my SL to comply with the rules. It's NOT that hard. It just takes a bit of set up and organization. I'm actually really tempted to make a child avie to see things from the other perspective and to see how hard it would be to comply with the rules. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indy Melody Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 Thanks Brodiac90, but that is not the one I am referring to. Seems like they made some changes to the Snapshot and machinima also that I clicked on to read. So addition new restrictions on taking snapshots and machinima in SL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arielle Popstar Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 27 minutes ago, Starberry Passion said: No one even knows if the whole thing was true or not, how do you expect us to know if they got dealt with or not? There was enough there that sounded potentially plausible that my personal thoughts are that there were elements of truth to it. Following from it there might have been justifications for what happened to being blamed on temptations for certain adults to be attracted to younger appearing residents, especially the femboys, that LL in its wisdom decided that the best course of action was to as much as possible, remove the temptations from sight or ban those altogether. It is like the alcoholic who by hiding all the booze, hopes to be able to quit. It very rarely works. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiritSparrow Skydancer Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 4 minutes ago, Coffee Pancake said: That's your impression ... and also no different from saying "she's asking for it". Coffee, I think you misunderstand what they are saying. The people operating the child avatars for sexual reasons, (age sex play - role play) are indeed sick (mental issues) people. (dirty old men/women, they might younger) at any rate their fetish is for children. If you do not agree with that statement... That person is not stating all child avatar operators are in it for that kink. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiritSparrow Skydancer Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 2 minutes ago, Chery Amore said: I'm actually really tempted to make a child avie to see things from the other perspective and to see how hard it would be to comply with the rules. Its not that hard. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Trihey Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Monika Skydancer said: Eh no. There's plenty places I can't wear my old pole dancer outfits. Don't mean I'm banned from those places, just that I gotta change before I go there. Same thing here. Nobody's talking about banning anyone from anywhere on the grid, they just gotta change before they go there. Ignoring the problem of ignoring how attached people get to their avatars. I'll rephrase the question: Why should people have to change their entire avatar to access the majority of the grid, because a handful of people want to run around naked on moderate land? Edited May 6 by Leslie Trihey 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathlen Onyx Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 2 minutes ago, Madi Melodious said: Actually no, there is no slippery slope at all. You have an entire content to run and be naked on. I will remind you that some us are having to choose between being able to represent ourselves in a manner we choose too and having a great deal of the grid cut off from us. Lots of us are choosing to lose that part of the grid so we can keep our in-world personas. I would also remind you that a great deal of us are paying good money to lose this access too. An honestly, I don't see why the lab need to have any moderated regions at all. All land supported by the lab should be G with the exception of Zendra which is a special case. The Blake, roads on the continents, regions on the continents should be G rated. If you buy a whole region or set up a private sim then you can set it to M if you want too. All YOUR choices. If you don't like them then RP the situations where you can and give up the ones you can't. The ONLY thing that is a shame is that LL is requiring a change that will break or make unusable a lot of content a paying customer has already spent money on. THAT I hope they reevaluate and realize they need a better solution. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chery Amore Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 Just now, SpiritSparrow Skydancer said: Its not that hard. Yeah for me I have a feeling it wouldn't be. Although I do have some empathy for loss of inventory for those facing it. I kind of want to see how hard it would be to navigate general and moderate land with that mindset though. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chery Amore Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 2 minutes ago, Leslie Trihey said: Ignoring the problem of ignoring how attached people get to their avatars. I'll rephrase the question: Why should people have to change their entire avatar to access the majority of the grid, because a handful of people want to run around naked in moderate land? This isn't in the new TOS at all. They don't have to not access moderate land they just need to use some common sense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowan Amore Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 40 minutes ago, Daniel Regenbogen said: while things like prostitution, casual sex of all colors, pornography, rape, cannibalism, satan worship, bdsm, slavery, torture, mutilation, fetish play of all kinds, murder and so on are active on a much broader scale None of those thing are illegal virtually. Virtual depictions of CP are in many places. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 8 minutes ago, Madi Melodious said: You have an entire content to run and be naked on. Actually, no - the discussion (up until I took a break), was that Adults are not being told, "please give up being naked on Public Moderate land". Unless you mean Adult land? If so, then child avatars are being given TWO contents to be "free" on, and adult avatars now have just ONE. How is that fair, hmmmm? What happened to compromise? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brodiac90 Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 8 minutes ago, Chery Amore said: I'm actually really tempted to make a child avie to see things from the other perspective and to see how hard it would be to comply with the rules. I would help you, you might be surprised at how hard things can be. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madi Melodious Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 57 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said: In my argument, I left this part out so far - my own answer is because some people WANT to be nude in Moderate regions, since it is allowed and "baked in" (grandfathered in) Moderate regions as a "right". Well maybe you should lose that right since some of us have lost the "right" to go to adult land. Not that it was a smart or desirable right to exercise but before the tos change we did have that right. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Trihey Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 Just now, Chery Amore said: This isn't in the new TOS at all. They don't have to not access moderate land they just need to use some common sense. Exactly, however some people want to blanket ban child avatars from moderate regions. And that is, to me, insane. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 8 minutes ago, SpiritSparrow Skydancer said: That person is not stating all child avatar operators are in it for that kink. As Yoda might say, "One track mind, that person has." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chery Amore Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 (edited) 4 minutes ago, brodiac90 said: I would help you, you might be surprised at how hard things can be. If I decide to do it I'll send you an IM Edited May 6 by Chery Amore 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathlen Onyx Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 Just now, brodiac90 said: I would help you, you might be surprised at how hard things can be. It's as hard as changing into another avatar when you want to access content unable to be accessed by a child avatar. No one is taking anything away from you. They are just taking it away from a persona that isn't REAL. You can still access anything including A rated land. You just have to look different. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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