Mainstream failure of SL & Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs

[Fauve Aeon]

10 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said:

It's a demonstration that the forumites are off the charts!   ;0

Oh come on now, we have shown remarkable restraint here in a thread that quickly became a theater of the ridiculous - in 25 pages, there has not even been ONE Taylor Swift gif. 

[Luna Bliss]

4 minutes ago, Fauve Aeon said:

16 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said:

It's a demonstration that the forumites are off the charts!   ;0

Oh come on now, we have shown remarkable restraint here in a thread that quickly became a theater of the ridiculous - in 25 pages, there has not even been ONE Taylor Swift gif. 

LOL

Seriously, I've been impressed. Respect was pretty much maintained.

[Scylla Rhiadra]

7 minutes ago, Fauve Aeon said:

in 25 pages, there has not even been ONE Taylor Swift gif. 

OMG. This is a . . .

[Coffee Pancake]

2 hours ago, Ivy Mysterious said:

Just because the adult scene is something you and I both enjoy doesn't mean it's the ONLY thing that should be allowed or catered to. 

Which I am not saying ANYWHERE, that's the counter argument to try and paint this whole discussion into a corner.

[Coffee Pancake]

3 hours ago, Fauve Aeon said:

I don’t need a 10th restaurant

Of course you don't.

But an abundance of the same type of thing is an sign of a healthy a vibrant market for that thing. What you want as an individual consumer is irrelevant, what the market as a whole will support is something else entirely.

This is why trends with different companies offering similar themes or items routinely happen. 

[Ivy Mysterious]

10 minutes ago, Coffee Pancake said:

But an abundance of the same type of thing is an sign of a healthy a vibrant market for that thing.

But an overabundance of the same thing can also hurt it. Take the RL  Dollar General grocery store chain for example. They are constantly putting up stores, often times within miles of each other. Putting up the same business so frequently is going to cause an overabundance where some, if not most locations aren't going to be making anything because of it.

The very same thing can be said for EXTREME overabundance of escort and strip clubs on the platform. There are so many of those inworld that most of them are struggling to get any customers because most of them are a carbon copy of another one and unless you are doing something to make your club stand out from the clutter, you aren't going to be open for long at all.

 

A large abundance of something isn't always a good thing.

 

[MissSweetViolet]

5 hours ago, Coffee Pancake said:

Minecraft and Roblox are explicitly games for kids. Sure MC has some adult 'mega lego' appeal but the social spaces are predominantly about packing children in and making them buy DLC. Private servers are one thing, public servers via bedrock are something else entirely and that's the focus.

GTA is .. a game with mods. Skyrim would be a better example of that, but even then .. if you want massively actually social, it's final fantasy or to a less degree WoW.

I heard you say your socially inept in another section here and after read all this I get why, you don't LISTEN to a single thing anyone says unless it agrees with your own opinion. How on earth can anyone be socially competent when they aren't willing to communicate like an adult (which is ironic since your here asking for the adult community to be seen more), all I've seen is poor logic, fact that are spouted off with no way for others to verify, strawman argument and a very VERY narrow self focused view that is quite frankly selfish. I sincerely hope that many good things come in to your life in the future that show you that it is an amazing world there both in real life and in Second Life, and no I am not being sarcastic, I mean it genuinely, you deserve better then to be stuck in this confine!

[Coffee Pancake]

1 minute ago, MissSweetViolet said:

I heard you say your socially inept in another section here and after read all this I get why,

I have social anxiety, that is not being socially inept ... but thank you for throwing some mud. You're a wonderful person.

[MissSweetViolet]

5 minutes ago, Coffee Pancake said:

I have social anxiety, that is not being socially inept ... but thank you for throwing some mud. You're a wonderful person.

Your correct, my apologies, I was going by memory and I was wrong.

[Fauve Aeon]

4 minutes ago, Coffee Pancake said:

Of course you don't.

But an abundance of the same type of thing is an sign of a healthy a vibrant market for that thing. What you want as an individual consumer is irrelevant, what the market as a whole will support is something else entirely.

This is why trends with different companies offering similar themes or items routinely happen. 

Not quite. Not today. Have another pyramid. People are often thinking in a niche. Your niche is one that so far, LL has not chosen to leverage or center in either user functionality features (RLV/RLVa functionality) or in their advertising. There’s a reason for it, one which may or may not change at some future point. I think it was a good time to add adult-rated regions to the Birthday and accompanying Shop & Hop and I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a Linden Homes adult-rated themed area introduced at some point. I’m just guessing.

“If you do what you’ve always done then you’ll get what you’ve always got.”
Sometimes that’s really good (provide dependable user experience, familiarity, don’t break the legacy content) but it’s a retention strategy, definitely not a growth initiative. SL as-is seems like a stable and lucrative business, but investors will usually want to grow if they can take advantage of a window of opportunity. So one of the the major points (as I see it) is replacing users who are passing away and/or aging out. I don’t see marketing the adult community activities to new users as a good proposal during this phase of community connection focus. Partnerships and festivals that bring groups of people together for proposed community building feels more in step with things right now. Again, just me guessing based on how I feel about things and what I’m seeing. 

The mobile apps are a new window, quite literally, the users will behave somewhat differently and a mobile user attraction strategy may look very different from a desktop user one. The viable and time-tested competition for a stable ‘metaverse-type’ platform or entity is at a low right now but the buzz has not subsided so there’s an opening for a growth initiative and it’s going to need to play differently for a different and new audience that may have different wants and needs. It’s not going to be aimed at us, we’re here already, invested - enough to spend part of our weekend sitting about thinking and posting about it, lol. 

[Rowan Amore]

10 minutes ago, Fauve Aeon said:

Not quite. Not today. Have another pyramid. People are often thinking in a niche. Your niche is one that so far, LL has not chosen to leverage or center in either user functionality features (RLV/RLVa functionality) or in their advertising. There’s a reason for it, one which may or may not change at some future point. I think it was a good time to add adult-rated regions to the Birthday and accompanying Shop & Hop and I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a Linden Homes adult-rated themed area introduced at some point. I’m just guessing.

“If you do what you’ve always done then you’ll get what you’ve always got.”
Sometimes that’s really good (provide dependable user experience, familiarity, don’t break the legacy content) but it’s a retention strategy, definitely not a growth initiative. SL as-is seems like a stable and lucrative business, but investors will usually want to grow if they can take advantage of a window of opportunity. So one of the the major points (as I see it) is replacing users who are passing away and/or aging out. I don’t see marketing the adult community activities to new users as a good proposal during this phase of community connection focus. Partnerships and festivals that bring groups of people together for proposed community building feels more in step with things right now. Again, just me guessing based on how I feel about things and what I’m seeing. 

The mobile apps are a new window, quite literally, the users will behave somewhat differently and a mobile user attraction strategy may look very different from a desktop user one. The viable and time-tested competition for a stable ‘metaverse-type’ platform or entity is at a low right now but the buzz has not subsided so there’s an opening for a growth initiative and it’s going to need to play differently for a different and new audience that may have different wants and needs. It’s not going to be aimed at us, we’re here already, invested - enough to spend part of our weekend sitting about thinking and posting about it, lol. 

Now I'm imagining this whole group of people logging into SL.on their phones looking for the sexy times while waiting at the doctor's office or in the break room at work.  😂

[Fauve Aeon]

1 minute ago, Rowan Amore said:

Now I'm imagining this whole group of people logging into SL.on their phones looking for the sexy times while waiting at the doctor's office or in the break room at work.  😂

I’m sure it will happen, if there’s a way to do it, someone will absolutely do it…but I don’t think that image would be something I’d want in my marketing pitch deck 🫣😝 I’m thinking of the almost infinite complaints currently about animation timing and alignment too from a purely technical standpoint. And then there’s the frame rate and animation synch, etc. etc… #nope

 

[Ivy Mysterious]

1 hour ago, Coffee Pancake said:

Which I am not saying ANYWHERE, that's the counter argument to try and paint this whole discussion into a corner.

No it's not, it's the ONLY discussion you will even entertain at this point and that's exactly the point you are pushing, whether you mean to or not. In your eyes, the only side of SL that matters is the erotic/ BDSM side. SL is celebrating 20 years, that's a milestone not a lot of platforms can reach, and the suggestion that the adult side of this platform should be the only or the main focal point of it is a very narrow minded one to have. The fact of the matter is, whether it be games or virtual platforms or social media, they have to keep mixing it up and catering to a large audience, not a niche, to keep that business going. Only catering or focusing on one specific niche is not how they will guarantee that SL will be around for much longer.

[Coffee Pancake]

Well seeing as you dont care what I actually say and are determined to paint me into a corner.

Sod ya. I'm done. ❤️

[Rowan Amore]

If everyone new coming into SL is coming in for the SLex, those aren't the people to whom you need to advertise.

We've gone from attracting new people by having objectives (per the OP) to that objective should be adult activity.  

But since the OP has said it's what everyone's objective is anyway, what exactly is the point of this whole thread?

[Fauve Aeon]

Again from another thread

3 minutes ago, Coffee Pancake said:

Zindra, the last "mainland" to hold any value is heading towards M and G price per sqm (which unless it's special in some way, is now basically free). I know a few individual creators, sales are down hard (like 30% of last years take home after taxes and fees). People who have done ok here for years are looking at other outlets, or _real jobs_, but mainly food stamps.

{snip}

This place dies by degrees and a lot of people have been holding on for dear life for a while already.

And so this doesn’t translate to you as a declining niche? Because that’s how it reads to me. Because if the /people/ of a community aren’t thriving, is the community thriving? Or are the inflated traffic and search numbers telling another (and inaccurate)story? 

On the one hand, you claim the largest demographic and then in the next breath in another thread, no - it’s shrinking and dying, many hanging on by a thread and not doing well.

Which?

In one thread ‘look, adult community is thriving, adult regions have ALL THE TRAFFIC’ - in another thread ‘traffic is gamed and absolute s**t’

Which? 

 

[Caeruleiae]

11 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:

But since the OP has said it's what everyone's objective is anyway, what exactly is the point of this whole thread?

OP is wrong about objectives of others-as I suspect we all would be if we tried to claim any one thing is a majority objective. I think there are a lot of objectives people have and there is no way to pinpoint even one as a majority because there are too many to do that. Even the people who enjoy those adult natured things have other objectives too.

There is no real point to the thread other than pointing out the most obvious thing-people come to sl to do stuff and it's ll's job to figure out what that stuff is-then market the h e double hockey sticks out of it!

 

Edited July 3, 2023 by Caeruleiae
stars are ugly

[Prokofy Neva]

5 hours ago, Persephone Emerald said:

I've seen a few tasteful billboards on Mainland. I suspect what helps make them tasteful is that there are only a few.

Privately run stores, clubs or sansboxes can curate which ads they want or don't want. Linden Lab wouldn't be able to do the same, because they would be viewed as being biased. I'd rather let residents decide on where they allow ad boards on their property and which ones they will or won't allow. That there used to be more ad boards in sandboxes and clubs than there are now (I think) may show that they are not a very profitable or effective marketing tool within SL.

LL never worries about being biased or what residents think on that score -- are you kidding? They installed the select few in the Welcome Hub Shopping District without blinking an eye. And you're still not hearing it. The ad space that LL could network on billboards would be FOR SALE. You purchase the space. It's a sink or a source for LL in Lindens. It runs two weeks. It has rules. If you violate them, you face a ban for X days. They used to do this at telehubs. They could do it again on roadsides and telehubs. I don't know why this is so hard. The anti-commerce vein runs deep within LL and the forums base. When they overcome this, the world will grow and do better.

 

[Prokofy Neva]

14 minutes ago, Fauve Aeon said:

Again from another thread

And so this doesn’t translate to you as a declining niche? Because that’s how it reads to me. Because if the /people/ of a community aren’t thriving, is the community thriving? Or are the inflated traffic and search numbers telling another (and inaccurate)story? 

On the one hand, you claim the largest demographic and then in the next breath in another thread, no - it’s shrinking and dying, many hanging on by a thread and not doing well.

Which?

In one thread ‘look, adult community is thriving, adult regions have ALL THE TRAFFIC’ - in another thread ‘traffic is gamed and absolute s**t’

Which? 

 

No. This translates to me as:

o THIS IS HOW YOU RUIN THE ECONOMY BY MESSING WITH SEARCH. PUT IT BACK THE WAY IT WAS, THE WAY IT STILL IS ON FIRESTORM, THE END.

o This is the after-effects of killing off gatchas in their previous form which in fact was a boon to the economy despite all the forums net nannies beliefs about it.

o This is the effects of Bellisseria, which kills off the resident housing, landscaping, and rentals businesses.

o This is the effect of continuing the few idealogues/role-players/ad farmers ruin the view for the many.

I don't think it's about any niches except "people who enjoy SL and enjoy shopping".

 

Edited July 3, 2023 by Prokofy Neva

[Love Zhaoying]

7 minutes ago, Prokofy Neva said:

LL never worries about being biased or what residents think on that score -- are you kidding? They installed the select few in the Welcome Hub Shopping District without blinking an eye.

Maybe you missed the detailed discussions about how the selection process worked this year? The Mole in charge participated in the thread. (I think it was a Mole, not a Linden. I forget their name.)

Anyway, the point of the interaction was in my opinion, reassuring us that the process was "fair".  I thought they did an OK job with that.

[Love Zhaoying]

30 minutes ago, Fauve Aeon said:

In one thread ‘look, adult community is thriving, adult regions have ALL THE TRAFFIC’ - in another thread ‘traffic is gamed and absolute s**t’

Which? 

Maybe..both?

"Only the Adult Community is Thriving!"

and

"The Adult Community is Leaving in Droves!"

If both are true, that would indeed mean "Run in circles, scream and shout", etc.

Maybe it also means - there are more opportunities for "cheap land"..?

I for one, do not care if the Land Barons suffer.

(Sorry)

Peeve: I'm supposed to feel sorry for the people at the top.

ETA: Is not peeve thred? O wel

Edited July 3, 2023 by Love Zhaoying

[Prokofy Neva]

8 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

Maybe you missed the detailed discussions about how the selection process worked this year? The Mole in charge participated in the thread. (I think it was a Mole, not a Linden. I forget their name.)

Anyway, the point of the interaction was in my opinion, reassuring us that the process was "fair".  I thought they did an OK job with that.

Yeah, I sure did miss the detailed discussions about the WELCOME HUB SHOPPING DISTRICT process which is NOT "this year" but is put out for the first time. The most Patch said about this in the recent Lab Gabs was that they would be rotated out. How, when, and who gets to come in -- that's still held close.

You may be talking about Shop 'n Hop, which has an open application process anyone can try so I don't knock it if I'm not selected.

[Gabriele Graves]

Well this topic advanced so much further than when I last commented.  I'm so glad I was wrong about it.

[Love Zhaoying]

6 minutes ago, Prokofy Neva said:

Yeah, I sure did miss the detailed discussions about the WELCOME HUB SHOPPING DISTRICT process which is NOT "this year" but is put out for the first time. The most Patch said about this in the recent Lab Gabs was that they would be rotated out. How, when, and who gets to come in -- that's still held close.

You may be talking about Shop 'n Hop, which has an open application process anyone can try so I don't knock it if I'm not selected.

Ah, I see. Thanks for the disambiguation!

[Love Zhaoying]

5 minutes ago, Gabriele Graves said:

Well this topic advanced so much further than when I last commented.  I'm so glad I was wrong about it.

Is that horse peeved?

Arrgh! Wrong thread again!