meshbody /head survey

[GideaNinja Dagger]

Are they/ sl,   going todo another mesh body survey?  the last was 2018.   It  needs some updating.  thx!
https://strawberrysingh.com/2018/12/03/berrys-2018-mesh-body-parts-survey/

[Blaise Glendevon]

12 minutes ago, GideaNinja Dagger said:

Are they/ sl,   going todo another mesh body survey?  the last was 2018.   It  needs some updating.  thx!
https://strawberrysingh.com/2018/12/03/berrys-2018-mesh-body-parts-survey/

I doubt Second Life, that is Linden Lab, is going to get involved in gauging the popularity of third party add-ons. The usual subjects freaked out inordinately when Linden Lab dared name brand names in tutorial videos. 

That survey is from before Strawberry Linden was hired to make content for SL. Before she was Strawberry Linden, she was Strawberry Singh, and created her own fashion social media content as a blogger/vlogger. 

[Quistess Alpha]

@Lucia Nightfire Has been doing a survey for a while now. pretty sure there's a link to see latest stats in her profile.

ETA:

Quote

Head/Body Stats

Cleaned as needed and without warning, Testylvania Sandbox (132.567,132.548,21.8417)

Mesh Head & Body Stats (Round 4)

https://community.secondlife.com/forums/topic/480978-mesh-head-body-stats-round-4/

For the latest mesh head & body stats, click the crystal ball at http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Archon/180/101/27

 

Edited August 29, 2022 by Quistess Alpha

[Coffee Pancake]

Kinda irked that they skipped over the #3 female body (Kupra) to feature the reborn that has under 2% use in world, for .. reasons.

The old prejudices seem to be alive and well.

[Ceka Cianci]

59 minutes ago, Coffee Pancake said:

Kinda irked that they skipped over the #3 female body (Kupra) to feature the reborn that has under 2% use in world, for .. reasons.

The old prejudices seem to be alive and well.

Are you referring to the Strawberry list? 

[Marianne Little]

1 hour ago, Coffee Pancake said:

Kinda irked that they skipped over the #3 female body (Kupra) to feature the reborn that has under 2% use in world, for .. reasons.

The old prejudices seem to be alive and well.

The Strawberry one is from 2018. It is hard to predict the bodies to be released in the future. 

[Coffee Pancake]

18 minutes ago, Ceka Cianci said:

Are you referring to the Strawberry list? 

No, SL University YT tutorials. 

Realistically, eBody isn't a thing. It's been out a decent while now, bloggers love it, gets great creator coverage, had the best sustained hype train of any body ever. Their marketing has been exceptional... but in world, it's less than 2% of seen bodies (see Lucia's most recent stats from the location in her sig). People aren't buying it, or if they are, they aren't wearing it.

Kupra is a love / hate body, which is why it rocketed to its #3 female body slot and then stayed there, to much sneering and muttering. Ironically as a body that doesn't use alpha sections it's also the easiest body to to learn and the fastest to render.

It feels like LL are playing favorites and being judgmental into the bargain.

[Ceka Cianci]

I was looking at the recent list for heads and Genus strong is leading in the rankings..

I think the bots are counting Strong 001, Strong 002 and Strong Gift as one head.. Because there are no other genus strong on that list.. It just say's genus Strong.

The next head down which is Baby which is really popular  is only doing like  mid 7k's where Strong is like 28k+

Houston, I think we have a problem.. hehehe

[Coffee Pancake]

Strong was also free, I know a lot of people with that one.

[Ceka Cianci]

Just now, Coffee Pancake said:

No, SL University YT tutorials. 

Realistically, eBody isn't a thing. It's been out a decent while now, bloggers love it, gets great creator coverage, had the best sustained hype train of any body ever. Their marketing has been exceptional... but in world, it's less than 2% of seen bodies (see Lucia's most recent stats from the location in her sig). People aren't buying it, or if they are, they aren't wearing it.

Kupra is a love / hate body, which is why it rocketed to its #3 female body slot and then stayed there, to much sneering and muttering. Ironically as a body that doesn't use alpha sections it's also the easiest body to to learn and the fastest to render.

It feels like LL are playing favorites and being judgmental into the bargain.

Oh ok, I didn't know if I was missing a link somewhere or not..

I had a confuse.. hehehe

[Ceka Cianci]

25 minutes ago, Coffee Pancake said:

Strong was also free, I know a lot of people with that one.

Ya, but  the thing that tells me it's doing this is, Genus has 9 different mesh heads..  Classic 001 and Classic 002 are two different heads which you have to pay for each one separately.. Same for babyface having two different heads,Strange having two different heads and Strong, which there is three different Strong's..

When you look at the list, you only see 1 Strange at the bottom then 1 Classic up from that , then 1 Babayface up from that, and Strong at the top of the list..

So it's actually combining two different mesh head stats together, because it's looking for the name  and with Strong it's  combining three different mesh head stats together.

ETA: I forgot to add, Ya it being like the top freebie head has a lot to do with the numbers I'm sure.. It was in the store in the start up area that my last alt went through.. I grabbed it myself also.. hehehe

But still it's dipping numbers from the other versions as well.. because there is no other Strong's on the list and Strange is like their worst selling head and it made the list..

Edited August 29, 2022 by Ceka Cianci

[Ceka Cianci]

18 minutes ago, Coffee Pancake said:

No, SL University YT tutorials. 

Realistically, eBody isn't a thing. It's been out a decent while now, bloggers love it, gets great creator coverage, had the best sustained hype train of any body ever. Their marketing has been exceptional... but in world, it's less than 2% of seen bodies (see Lucia's most recent stats from the location in her sig). People aren't buying it, or if they are, they aren't wearing it.

Kupra is a love / hate body, which is why it rocketed to its #3 female body slot and then stayed there, to much sneering and muttering. Ironically as a body that doesn't use alpha sections it's also the easiest body to to learn and the fastest to render.

It feels like LL are playing favorites and being judgmental into the bargain.

Ya, it would be interesting to see how they are picking the order,  or if maybe the guy is just somehow doing his own research on which ones to do next.. It could be he's going from responses in the comments from his videos, like a lot of streamers do.

[GideaNinja Dagger]

4 hours ago, Ceka Cianci said:

I was looking at the recent list for heads and Genus strong is leading in the rankings..

I think the bots are counting Strong 001, Strong 002 and Strong Gift as one head.. Because there are no other genus strong on that list.. It just say's genus Strong.

The next head down which is Baby which is really popular  is only doing like  mid 7k's where Strong is like 28k+

Houston, I think we have a problem.. hehehe

where can i find this ranking list?   thx!

[Love Zhaoying]

19 minutes ago, GideaNinja Dagger said:

where can i find this ranking list?   thx!

 

6 hours ago, Quistess Alpha said:

@Lucia Nightfire Has been doing a survey for a while now. pretty sure there's a link to see latest stats in her profile.

ETA:

Head/Body Stats

Cleaned as needed and without warning, Testylvania Sandbox (132.567,132.548,21.8417)

Mesh Head & Body Stats (Round 4)

https://community.secondlife.com/forums/topic/480978-mesh-head-body-stats-round-4/

For the latest mesh head & body stats, click the crystal ball at http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Archon/180/101/27

 

[steeljane42]

5 hours ago, Coffee Pancake said:

No, SL University YT tutorials. 

Realistically, eBody isn't a thing. It's been out a decent while now, bloggers love it, gets great creator coverage, had the best sustained hype train of any body ever. Their marketing has been exceptional... but in world, it's less than 2% of seen bodies (see Lucia's most recent stats from the location in her sig). People aren't buying it, or if they are, they aren't wearing it.

Kupra is a love / hate body, which is why it rocketed to its #3 female body slot and then stayed there, to much sneering and muttering. Ironically as a body that doesn't use alpha sections it's also the easiest body to to learn and the fastest to render.

It feels like LL are playing favorites and being judgmental into the bargain.

Except it's a thing, even if "some" Kupra users get all sad about creators dropping support for it. Reminds me of time when Freya was just starting to get phased out in favor of Legacy and (later)Kupra. Die-hard Freya fans kept saying how both aren't a thing, how bad clothing creators doing everything wrong and so on.

If the trend continues it'll end up way more popular than Kupra. As of today there's 13130 Kupras and 7699 Reborns on the Lucia's list. Sure, it's still plenty more of Kupras. However Kupra has been released nearly a whole year before Reborn, so even if both will continue to sell at the same rate it's roughly the same popularity wise, just with that ~6k difference. But most likely it'll get much closer and soon. The trending/growth stats are very obvious. 30/90 days change for Kupra are +172 and +775, and for Reborn +1452 and +4179.

I would guess Reborn will get even closer if they'll have a black friday sales later this year. It's that time of a year when people like to do fresh starts and/or upgrade their alts with mesh bodies/heads that aren't freebies. Will be interesting to see how big increase will be then, if it's almost 1.5k a month even now. Probably going to be 11.5k after it or so.

So it's just a wishiful thinking that Reborn is not a thing, and playing the "but my body is a love/hate one, so of course it's just about old prejudices as always" card. For context, I don't use either of those as both are way too thick for my liking. So I would very much prefer if both weren't a thing and there was another good looking and well supported thin/medium body instead.

 

Edited August 29, 2022 by steeljane42

[Qie Niangao]

These rankings could scramble very quickly for mesh products from creators that don't support the (first) four new PBR material maps out of the gate. Some will be completely ready (with partner offerings of new, fully-featured skins, etc.) and some won't. If they aren't ready and they're Mod perm, somebody else (like Omega?) can save them (a bit like some folks saved Belleza with rudimentary BOM). If they're no-Mod and not already scripting new HUDs (with gaps for the actual still-TBD function calls), they face a not so slow slide into obscurity.

[steeljane42]

24 minutes ago, Qie Niangao said:

These rankings could scramble very quickly for mesh products from creators that don't support the (first) four new PBR material maps out of the gate. Some will be completely ready (with partner offerings of new, fully-featured skins, etc.) and some won't. If they aren't ready and they're Mod perm, somebody else (like Omega?) can save them (a bit like some folks saved Belleza with rudimentary BOM). If they're no-Mod and not already scripting new HUDs (with gaps for the actual still-TBD function calls), they face a not so slow slide into obscurity.

I wouldn't overstimate how much people are going to care about PBR at first. BoM took a long while to get popular. Content will be lacking at first too, just like with BoM. Even more productive skin creators didn't release a good variety of skins until much later after the BoM release. Might be even slower in this case as so many people didn't use ALM/materials in the first place, so they are not going to care about new shinies like that either.

Edited August 29, 2022 by steeljane42

[Qie Niangao]

1 hour ago, steeljane42 said:

Might be even slower in this case as so many people didn't use ALM/materials in the first place, so they are not going to care about new shinies like that either.

Except the Lab intends to stop supporting non-ALM rendering Real Soon Now, supposedly based on performance data showing the difference is negligible even on low end devices. (I don't know if this is only with the new, sped-up rendering or in general.) Of course, that doesn't mean PBR will be fast for those machines, with all those bitmaps to munge.

But once they can't avoid seeing basic ALM materials, I think they'll crave PBR because it will just look incomparably better. I'm not sure if we're still chasing down the uncanny valley or up the other side yet, but the realism march is inexorable. 

And that's one way my comparison with BOM was kinda lame—sorry 'bout that. BOM had mostly performance and convenience benefits, but barely affected appearance (except by preventing alpha-sorting problems on the old onionskin layers, I guess, which seems a dim memory now, right?). On top of that, I may have confused by talking about Mod perm mesh and then mentioning Belleza's jerry-rigged BOM, which had nothing to do with Belleza being Mod perm—that came later—but rather simply being able to slap system BOM textures in a roll-your-own Omega applier.

[Lucia Nightfire]

15 hours ago, Quistess Alpha said:

@Lucia Nightfire Has been doing a survey for a while now.

I don't do surveys as those can be gamed.

I use bots and scripted objects that travel the grid and report what people are actually wearing.

15 hours ago, Coffee Pancake said:

Kinda irked that they skipped over the #3 female body (Kupra) to feature the reborn that has under 2% use in world, for .. reasons.

The old prejudices seem to be alive and well.

13 hours ago, Coffee Pancake said:

but in world, it's less than 2% of seen bodies (see Lucia's most recent stats from the location in her sig). People aren't buying it, or if they are, they aren't wearing it.

Reborn is currently the best trending body, though.

Despite currently having 2% of the market, it is 2nd only to Maitreya in terms of uptake in the last 180 days.

Rank # | Model Name | Count | % (Count / 381752) | Last 24h | Last 7d | Last 14d | Last 30d | Last 90d | Last 180d
#1 | Maitreya - Lara | 131320 | 34.3% | +82 | +507 (72.4) | +1008 (72) | +2319 (77.3) | +7653 (85) | +17479 (97.1)
#2 | Signature - Gianni | 29882 | 7.8% | 0 | +65 (9.2) | +147 (10.5) | +370 (12.3) | +1413 (15.7) | +3185 (17.6)
#3 | Belleza - Jake | 21255 | 5.5% | +34 | +153 (21.8) | +279 (19.9) | +550 (18.3) | +1701 (18.9) | +3751 (20.8)
#4 | MeshBody - Legacy (Female) | 19426 | 5.0% | +28 | +57 (8.1) | +164 (11.7) | +342 (11.4) | +1497 (16.6) | +3816 (21.2)
#5 | Inithium - Kupra | 13130 | 3.4% | +1 | +107 (15.2) | +79 (5.6) | +172 (5.7) | +775 (8.6) | +2222 (12.3)
#6 | MeshBody - Classic (Female) | 12890 | 3.3% | +31 | +162 (23.1) | +272 (19.4) | +551 (18.3) | +1721 (19.1) | +3316 (18.4)
#7 | MeshBody - Legacy (Athletic Male) | 10944 | 2.8% | +20 | +107 (15.2) | +229 (16.3) | +461 (15.3) | +1315 (14.6) | +2628 (14.6)
#8 | MeshBody - Legacy (Male) | 10042 | 2.6% | +8 | +65 (9.2) | +150 (10.7) | +392 (13) | +1168 (12.9) | +2531 (14)
#9 | LucyBody - Atenea | 8956 | 2.3% | 0 | +65 (9.2) | +114 (8.1) | +310 (10.3) | +1183 (13.1) | +2401 (13.3)
#10 | MeshBody - Classic (Male) | 8026 | 2.1% | +7 | +62 (8.8) | +114 (8.1) | +250 (8.3) | +807 (8.9) | +1691 (9.3)
#11 | eBODY - Reborn | 7699 | 2.0% | +49 | +346 (49.4) | +706 (50.4) | +1452 (48.4) | +4179 (46.4) | +5841 (32.4)
#12 | MeshBody - Legacy Perky | 7394 | 1.9% | -2 | +46 (6.5) | +79 (5.6) | +167 (5.5) | +654 (7.2) | +1523 (8.4)
#13 | Belleza - Freya | 7357 | 1.9% | -6 | +20 (2.8) | +31 (2.2) | +46 (1.5) | +101 (1.1) | +423 (2.3)
#14 | Niramyth - Aesthetic Mesh Body | 6962 | 1.8% | +2 | +20 (2.8) | +43 (3) | +123 (4.1) | +309 (3.4) | +754 (4.1)
#15 | Slink - Male | 4578 | 1.1% | +4 | +24 (3.4) | +31 (2.2) | +73 (2.4) | +225 (2.5) | +515 (2.8)
#16 | Utilizator - Kemono | 4478 | 1.1% | -8 | +21 (3) | +62 (4.4) | +123 (4.1) | +352 (3.9) | +765 (4.2)
#17 | eBODY - Curvy | 4259 | 1.1% | -3 | +28 (4) | +75 (5.3) | +142 (4.7) | +404 (4.4) | +803 (4.4)
#18 | Slink - Hourglass | 4108 | 1.0% | +10 | +23 (3.2) | +20 (1.4) | +33 (1.1) | +130 (1.4) | +366 (2)
#19 | Sweet's - Ruth | 4081 | 1.0% | +5 | +18 (2.5) | +42 (3) | +98 (3.2) | +381 (4.2) | +844 (4.6)
#20 | Signature - Geralt | 3107 | 0.8% | -3 | +5 (0.7) | +9 (0.6) | +5 (0.1) | +66 (0.7) | +262 (1.4)

If it maintains its current trend, Reborn will be ranked #10 in less than 2 weeks and #5 in 180 days.

Rank # | Model Name | Count | % (Count / 381752) | Next 30d | Next 90d | Next 180d | Next 360d
#1 | Maitreya - Lara | 131320 | 34.3% | 133639 (#1) | 138277 (#1) | 145234 (#1) | 159148 (#1)
#2 | Signature - Gianni | 29882 | 7.8% | 30251 (#2) | 30989 (#2) | 32096 (#2) | 34310 (#2)
#3 | Belleza - Jake | 21255 | 5.5% | 21852 (#3) | 23046 (#3) | 24837 (#3) | 28419 (#3)
#4 | MeshBody - Legacy (Female) | 19426 | 5.0% | 19777 (#4) | 20479 (#4) | 21532 (#4) | 23638 (#5)
#5 | Inithium - Kupra | 13130 | 3.4% | 13388 (#6) | 13904 (#6) | 14678 (#7) | 16226 (#8)
#6 | MeshBody - Classic (Female) | 12890 | 3.3% | 13463 (#5) | 14609 (#5) | 16328 (#6) | 19766 (#6)
#7 | MeshBody - Legacy (Athletic Male) | 10944 | 2.8% | 11400 (#7) | 12312 (#7) | 13680 (#8) | 16416 (#7)
#8 | MeshBody - Legacy (Male) | 10042 | 2.6% | 10429 (#8) | 11203 (#9) | 12364 (#9) | 14686 (#9)
#9 | LucyBody - Atenea | 8956 | 2.3% | 9265 (#9) | 9883 (#10) | 10810 (#10) | 12664 (#10)
#10 | MeshBody - Classic (Male) | 8026 | 2.1% | 8290 (#11) | 8818 (#11) | 9610 (#11) | 11194 (#11)
#11 | eBODY - Reborn | 7699 | 2.0% | 9151 (#10) | 12055 (#8) | 16411 (#5) | 25123 (#4)
#12 | MeshBody - Legacy Perky | 7394 | 1.9% | 7589 (#12) | 7979 (#12) | 8564 (#12) | 9734 (#12)
#13 | Belleza - Freya | 7357 | 1.9% | 7423 (#13) | 7555 (#13) | 7753 (#13) | 8149 (#14)
#14 | Niramyth - Aesthetic Mesh Body | 6962 | 1.8% | 7064 (#14) | 7268 (#14) | 7574 (#14) | 8186 (#13)
#15 | Slink - Male | 4578 | 1.1% | 4653 (#15) | 4803 (#16) | 5028 (#17) | 5478 (#17)
#16 | Utilizator - Kemono | 4478 | 1.1% | 4601 (#16) | 4847 (#15) | 5216 (#15) | 5954 (#15)
#17 | eBODY - Curvy | 4259 | 1.1% | 4391 (#17) | 4655 (#17) | 5051 (#16) | 5843 (#16)
#18 | Slink - Hourglass | 4108 | 1.0% | 4150 (#19) | 4234 (#19) | 4360 (#19) | 4612 (#19)
#19 | Sweet's - Ruth | 4081 | 1.0% | 4177 (#18) | 4369 (#18) | 4657 (#18) | 5233 (#18)
#20 | Signature - Geralt | 3107 | 0.8% | 3128 (#20) | 3170 (#20) | 3233 (#20) | 3359 (#20)

13 hours ago, Ceka Cianci said:

So it's actually combining two different mesh head stats together, because it's looking for the name  and with Strong it's  combining three different mesh head stats together.

In regards to Genus, it doesn't look for names. It looks for mesh creation times, an immutable prim param.

I specifically grouped Genus like that years ago, but can't remember the reasoning at the time.

I can look into separating it, but that will take some time for data correction to go through all user records and change things including all archived stats lists.

It won't be "soon", sadly.

[Rowan Amore]

Awesome.  Something else most people didn't ask for.

[Ceka Cianci]

1 minute ago, Lucia Nightfire said:

In regards to Genus, it doesn't look for names. It looks for mesh creation times, an immutable prim param.

I specifically grouped Genus like that years ago, but can't remember the reasoning at the time.

I can look into separating it, but that will take some time for data correction to go through all user records and change things including all archived stats lists.

It won't be "soon", sadly.

I'm not sure how long you have been doing this, but i do appreciate that you do this..

That sounds like way too much work to me.. Is it worth doing it?

It was just something I had noticed. I didn't want to create a whole bunch of work for you.. I'm sorry

[Coffee Pancake]

1 hour ago, Lucia Nightfire said:

 

Despite currently having 2% of the market, it is 2nd only to Maitreya in terms of uptake in the last 180 days.

If it maintains its current trend, Reborn will be ranked #10 in less than 2 weeks and #5 in 180 days.

For a body with the hype train of reborn to only over take the long defunked meshbody classic (etc) if given yet another 6 months .. that trend is worthless.

Certainly not 🚀🚀🚀🌙

[Ceka Cianci]

9 hours ago, GideaNinja Dagger said:

where can i find this ranking list?   thx!

here: https://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Archon/180/101/27

There is an orb you click on that will give you a pop up with options to choose from on which mesh parts you are wanting to check out how they are doing.

[Blaise Glendevon]

16 hours ago, Coffee Pancake said:

Kinda irked that they skipped over the #3 female body (Kupra) to feature the reborn that has under 2% use in world, for .. reasons.

The old prejudices seem to be alive and well.

Kupra is a weird fetish body from a company with a history of weird fetish bodies. And Reborn set up better partnerships on launch.

[steeljane42]

20 minutes ago, Coffee Pancake said:

For a body with the hype train of reborn to only over take the long defunked meshbody classic (etc) if given yet another 6 months .. that trend is worthless.

Certainly not 🚀🚀🚀🌙

The denial is strong in this one. Kupra was also pushed down everyone's throat on flickr by all those endless "kupra pls" posts under every new release that didn't had its size included for at least 6 months after it was released. And before that it was the same with Legacy.

But it's probably a pointless talk at this point. We'll see in a few months how "it's not a thing". I predict Kupra slowing down even more too by then.