Update from Patch Linden on "Spicy Content"

[Arwyn Quandry]

7 hours ago, Ingrid Ingersoll said:

I know that as a woman i cannot wait for this!

😐

You should be excited for it though. If all of the guys who want to be stepped on immediately teleport away to a place that's more amenable to that, they won't be around to get up in your IMs. Win-win!

[Ingrid Ingersoll]

6 hours ago, Coffee Pancake said:

All the adults get their own grid to be out of sight forever and the rest of the not-pervs can have the main grid .. which sounds like the teen grid all over again.

Or the not pervs will be relegated to funky old mainland while a new, bright, shiny jizz-land will be created for the pervs.

Could go either way. 

[NaomiLocket]

Give it an action hero figurine statue modeled after Orgasmo

[Ingrid Ingersoll]

On 6/27/2024 at 3:20 PM, Ceka Cianci said:

Oh it sounds like a an adult version of Bellisseria might be coming

I think these guys might be too.

 

[Cristiano Midnight]

51 minutes ago, Ingrid Ingersoll said:

new, bright, shiny jizz-land 

☠️☠️☠️

 

[Coffee Pancake]

30 minutes ago, Cristiano Midnight said:

☠️☠️☠️

Well ... as we celebrate finally getting solid data on just how adult dependent SL is, we can collectively lament Linden intentionally fragmenting what precious little community remains.

[Scylla Rhiadra]

37 minutes ago, Coffee Pancake said:

Well ... as we celebrate finally getting solid data on just how adult dependent SL is, we can collectively lament Linden intentionally fragmenting what precious little community remains.

We have data? For what exactly?

[discussionbot]

1 hour ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

We have data?

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[Alwin Alcott]

4 minutes ago, discussionbot said:

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being banned on so many places, there might be serious shifts in reality for the amount of those attached parts.

[discussionbot]

1 minute ago, Alwin Alcott said:

being banned on so many places, there might be serious shifts in reality for the amount of those attached parts.

Oh yeah fur sure. It's just the first thing that popped into my head in terms of usable data right now, I'm sure there's better sources.

[Coffee Pancake]

1 hour ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

We have data? For what exactly?

If they break the grid into two for adults and everyone else, we will have separate concurrency numbers. Even if we have to get them from a 3rd party like bonnie.

 

[Scylla Rhiadra]

17 minutes ago, discussionbot said:

Oh yeah fur sure. It's just the first thing that popped into my head in terms of usable data right now, I'm sure there's better sources.

Yeah, that's pretty old news, and at best suggestive. I am sure you're right:  there probably ARE better sources -- but if LL has them, they're not sharing.

No one who has any understanding of SL doubts how important the adult component of SL is. Quantifying and even defining what that means is going to be very difficult, even with stats about this attachment or that.

12 minutes ago, Coffee Pancake said:

If they break the grid into two for adults and everyone else, we will have separate concurrency numbers. Even if we have to get them from a 3rd party like bonnie.

 

I don't think it's going to be quite the clean break that this suggests.

"Adult" means a lot of different things to different people. For some people, it means hanging out at a BDSM hookup place, and spending the evening with a stranger in a dungeon. For others, it might mean RP of the sort that one might encounter at the Crack Den. And for a LOT of people, it means a (putatively) monogamous sexual relationship (with or without kink involved) with a boyfriend, girlfriend, or partner.

I haven't done a scientific survey of this, but I'm certain a goodly percentage of my friends (but by no means all, and I'm not sure even a majority) engage in sexual activity here. But that's just one component of what they do: they're also making pictures, attending gallery openings, frequenting clubs, doing non-sexual RP, engaged in snail races, etc., etc., etc. I personally know a VERY small handful of people who are here primarily for sex.

Your mileage will, of course, differ. I am sure that you move in different circles: I'm not claiming that I have access to the "true SL." But the idea that there are "those who are here for sex" and "those who are not here for sex" is simplistic to say the least. And that's not going to change.

[Qie Niangao]

On 6/29/2024 at 2:41 AM, Scylla Rhiadra said:

The entire mainland, all of it, could use that [Mole love].

Honestly, the sheer neglect of anywhere outside of Belli, the private estates, and the Welcome Hubs is just awful.

Honestly, this is the scariest part of the "spicy content" ambitions: yet more commitment of Mole resources, distracting from updating (or even maintaining) much of anything else (except for some reason that depressing "social casino").

I kinda feel the same way about the magnitude of Mole hours spent on SL21B. It's good work and maybe it was all necessary this time to get more PBR content in front of viewers, but my gosh it's a lot.

Was it opensourced to residents to encourage building with good, reusable glTF Materials? If so, I missed it; this would have been a once-in-a-platform opportunity to make an impact. But does anybody even think of that anymore?

Look at all the full-perm Zindra content in the Mosh "Port of Kama City" build. Will there be equivalent content for whatever this "Spicy" stuff ends up being? Do Moles know how to make reusable PBR content? Could they be challenged to prove it?

[Scylla Rhiadra]

5 minutes ago, Qie Niangao said:

Honestly, this is the scariest part of the "spicy content" ambitions: yet more commitment of Mole resources, distracting from updating (or even maintaining) much of anything else (except for some reason that depressing "social casino").

I kinda feel the same way about the magnitude of Mole hours spent on SL21B. It's good work and maybe it was all necessary this time to get more PBR content in front of viewers, but my gosh it's a lot.

Was it opensourced to residents to encourage building with good, reusable glTF Materials? If so, I missed it; this would have been a once-in-a-platform opportunity to make an impact. But does anybody even think of that anymore?

Look at all the full-perm Zindra content in the Mosh "Port of Kama City" build. Will there be equivalent content for whatever this "Spicy" stuff ends up being? Do Moles know how to make reusable PBR content? Could they be challenged to prove it?

Good questions, all. One has the sense that LL's initiatives like this are too often sudden, ill- or at least under-considered, fitful, and spasmodic. There's a sense of "Let's do this really great thing!" . . . until everyone gets a little bored, or the next "really great thing" comes along.

And yeah, I really don't think they spend anything like enough time considering the impact of these decisions -- what happens, and what doesn't end up happening as a result -- upon the health of the really pretty fragile ecosystem they've created.

As for opensourcing to residents, they don't seem to work well collaboratively with us. But they are pretty good at just leaving things they can't be bothered with for us to do, as witness PRB and EEP.

[Love Zhaoying]

4 hours ago, Coffee Pancake said:

Well ... as we celebrate finally getting solid data on just how adult dependent SL is, we can collectively lament Linden intentionally fragmenting what precious little community remains.

Wait..LL is finally supporting Adult things and you're STILL finding things to complain about? Ever heard of "compromise?

[Love Zhaoying]

I can't wait for the Furry Grid, Gay Grid, and Griefer Grid! 
...See how ridiculous that sounds? Y'all complaining about change msy as well be back in the Child Avatar complaint threads.

"The sky is falling", my furry arse.

Edited June 30 by Love Zhaoying

[Fluffy Sharkfin]

1 hour ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

As for opensourcing to residents, they don't seem to work well collaboratively with us. But they are pretty good at just leaving things they can't be bothered with for us to do, as witness PRB and EEP.

Yes, if LL really want to improve user engagement then perhaps they should start by engaging with users more often themselves.

[JUSTUS Palianta]

Land Auction for Adult Land has got really hard to win since linden update mainland covenant, i think linden are making more adult land because that is making them a lot of money.  Scare everyone of general land get them to buy overpriced adult land.  

[Rick Nightingale]

On 6/27/2024 at 9:05 PM, Innula Zenovka said:

Most of the major UK credit reference agencies already offer that sort of service, and they're presumably well acquainted with the requirements of the GDPR.

Oh I really hope LL do not use one of those ridiculously poor services. They are useless.

My wife, who is 100% British with British ancestry as far back as you like, had multiple bank accounts (currently has several including in joint names with me), has had two mortgages, no legal problems, no debt problems... would seem a perfect example of the least risky person there is.

She cannot open a new bank account with a new bank. An existing bank won't allow her to have a bank card delivered - she has to go in to the branch in person taking multiple proofs of ID for anything she needs to do. Amazon will not allow her to buy knives or anything requiring adult-age verification in the UK (yes, you need that to buy a kitchen knife in the UK). Anything that uses these credit reference agencies fails for her now, and has since the day she stopped working (due to health).

We've contacted the reference companies... nothing. Totally useless. Tried talking to the companies (like Amazon) that she is trying to get something from... waste of time. No-one cares.

It's outrageous that these companies can control people's lives like this when they can get it so wrong, and there seems nothing we can do about it.

Edited June 30 by Rick Nightingale

[Coffee Pancake]

14 minutes ago, Fluffy Sharkfin said:

Yes, if LL really want to improve user engagement then perhaps they should start by engaging with users more often themselves.

There is a long standing pattern where Linden put in a ton of work, hype everyone up, push out a thing and to no one's surprise, fail to stick the landing and it ends up all for nothing. The solution is to engage and listen to criticism, and then put more development time in and iterate.

Engagement without action is feeling accomplished for making a list, having a party to celebrate the list, and refusing to do any of the things on the list .

[Codex Alpha]

5 hours ago, Coffee Pancake said:

Well ... as we celebrate finally getting solid data on just how adult dependent SL is, we can collectively lament Linden intentionally fragmenting what precious little community remains.

There is no community, and it is fragmented on pretty much everything, from politics to rainbow colors. I couldn't care less at this point. A bit more segregation might be welcome, as finding like-minded individuals without walking through a land mine of people who want to take offense,etc is getting tiresome.

1 hour ago, Fluffy Sharkfin said:

Yes, if LL really want to improve user engagement then perhaps they should start by engaging with users more often themselves.

No thanks, it has catastrophic effects in Sansar, as sucking up and favouritism and the over-monitoring of users and mixing work and pleasure made it a terrible place.

Pros should just do their job, do it well, maintain professionalism and not be mingling with or competing against their own customers

[Fluffy Sharkfin]

22 minutes ago, Codex Alpha said:

No thanks, it has catastrophic effects in Sansar, as sucking up and favouritism and the over-monitoring of users and mixing work and pleasure made it a terrible place.

Pros should just do their job, do it well, maintain professionalism and not be mingling with or competing against their own customers

I'm not talking about individual LL employees socializing with residents (sure, "back in the early days" of SL Lindens roamed the grid and were neighbours and friends and would stop and chat now and then and that was nice, but ultimately not scalable).

I was talking more about LL as a company engaging more with it's user-base as a whole rather than approaching any interaction with their customers as if they were herding cattle.

Edited June 30 by Fluffy Sharkfin
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[elleevelyn]

21 minutes ago, Codex Alpha said:

Pros should just do their job, do it well, maintain professionalism and not be mingling with or competing against their own customers

this ^^

the only mingling should be thru company designated events, like user group meetings, townhalls and formal dev channels

in the SL beginning the mingling of staff and customers lead to behaviours that were pretty close to corrupt. fetid even

[Innula Zenovka]

5 minutes ago, Fluffy Sharkfin said:

I'm not talking about individual LL employees socializing with residents (sure, "back in the early days" of SL Lindens roamed the grid and were neighbours and friends and would stop and chat now and then and that was nice, but ultimately not scalable).

I was talking more about LL as a company engaging more with it's user-base as a whole rather than approaching any interaction with their customers as if they were herding cattle.

How do you say, though, that LL should go about "engaging with its user-base," since the user-base doesn't seem to have much interest in engaging with LL, other than to ask Lindens for their bears when they run into them? 

Most people, quite understandably, prefer to spend their time on doing whatever it is they particularly enjoy doing in SL rather than engaging with LL at user group meetings and in the SL discord server.

From what I've heard, and it makes a lot of sense, LL do put quite a bit of effort into engaging with both with people who create accounts, log in once or twice, and then don't come back, and with long-term residents who decide to quit, to ask them what they don't like about the platform and what might have persuaded them to stay.   

 

[Henri Beauchamp]

On 6/28/2024 at 2:40 PM, NaomiLocket said:

 Except Henri. Henri just wants nice things done and finished.

Glad you noticed I was just one of those silly (and very annoying, for some folks) perfectionists... 🤣