Deploy Plan for the week of 2019-08-26

[Aishagain]

@Oz Linden: Thankyou for responding comprehensively, Oz, I don't like what's being done but at least I understand it a bit better now.

[Whirly Fizzle]

4 hours ago, Mazidox Linden said:

We've updated the first post to point to the new releasenotes.secondlife.com website for simulator releases (https://releasenotes.secondlife.com/simulator/2019-08-23T17%3A54%3A14.530353.html).

Please tell me that's a bug.
2019-08-23T17:54:14.530353 doesn't exactly roll off the tongue does it?

Why can you not just list it as 19.8.23.530353?

 

Edited August 28, 2019 by Whirly Fizzle

[Mazidox Linden]

49 minutes ago, Whirly Fizzle said:

Please tell me that's a bug.
2019-08-23T17:54:14.530353 doesn't exactly roll off the tongue does it?

Why can you not just list it as 19.8.23.530353?

 

That isn't a bug, it is the precise version identifier for that simulator build. If a different identifier would be better there's always a feature request describing the user case for when it needs to roll off the tongue (but I hope you'll give this a try first and see if as we get a couple of weeks into this new way of doing things it starts to make more sense).

[Lucia Nightfire]

 

[KT Kingsley]

Pure curiosity, but is that version designation a microsecond-precise timestamp, or is it a second-precise timestamp with an incrementing number appended?

Edited August 28, 2019 by KT Kingsley

[Cam Mode]

6 hours ago, Oz Linden said:

 

Really, all we're doing so far is to hide the name of the RC; whether or not you're in an RC is not really hidden if you just click through to the release notes.

...... Our objective is to find problems more quickly and reliably.

This reminds me of an old comedy album my folks had- Catskills comedy couple- he comes home ,can't find his wife and says

"Where are you?"

"I'm hiding!" wife replies

this goes on over and over for a bit, laugh track, finally :

"Where are you- I've got a new pair of  earrings for you!"

"I'm hiding!   (pause) in the front closet"

Why not make it easy , enhance your chance the customers help by reporting and NOT  hide the channel?

Just tack an alpha  letter on the RC name

Blue Steel A   then Blue Steel B etc. --- we'll see something easy to report (if we use a phone hard to give you a zillion letters)--  you'll never have 26 versions out at once. You'll know what  B is.

You get your version, we get the info.

Second Life residents hate when things are hidden, esp. in "plain sight" - like the front closet (click through to release notes).

Make it a win-win Oz.

 

Edited August 28, 2019 by Cam Mode
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[Nikira Naimarc]

I want to see the channel name like before.

If the RC channels are really as good as the main channel, there is no need to hide the RC channel names.

So I do not understand this step by Linden Lab.

 

[Oz Linden]

14 hours ago, KT Kingsley said:

Pure curiosity, but is that version designation a microsecond-precise timestamp, or is it a second-precise timestamp with an incrementing number appended?

The latter ... that last component is an identifier produced by our build system

[Sayrah Parx]

It's really a hard problem.  They want as much typical use on the RC builds as possible so that they can get the best impression of how they would work when deployed everywhere, because last week's RC builds are this week's main server build.  So it would probably help more to point out that the RC builds were already tested on the beta grid, and have literally become release candidates and are no longer beta builds.  Because the problem is no one wants to have their production stuff running on a beta build.  The best solution would be to have limited amounts of free land on the beta grid so that a good population would always be "living" there and testing stuff there.  The whole point of the RC builds was that there wasn't a big enough testing population on the beta grid to catch all the problems before they were everywhere on the main grid.

[animats]

This may not be going well. Kama Center has been offline for 45 minutes now.

[Qie Niangao]

1 hour ago, Sayrah Parx said:

The best solution would be to have limited amounts of free land on the beta grid so that a good population would always be "living" there and testing stuff there.

That's interesting. I'm not entirely confident that free land is even incentive enough, but it could be a start. Another step might be to migrate more and more public sandbox space from agni to aditi, and even to permit some transfer of freely uploaded content from aditi to agni (not sure if that could be regulated, though, to preserve any L$ sink for uploads).

[Aishagain]

OK I am now somewhat confused.  According to the Tools & Technology Blog-post the software version rolled today to LeTigre and other RC Channel regions was supposed to hide the Channel identifier so that LeTigre etc would no longer be shown in the top toolbar or help floater.  That it still shows (I've been on LeTigre since the roll to check) means either that the software change didn't work or it has been deprecated due to the adverse reaction to the announcement in the past day or so.  I wonder which it is?

 

[Qie Niangao]

I think only BlueSteel gets the anonymized channel name this release.

[Aishagain]

@Qie Niangao:

Yep I was clearly not paying attention, You are correct the version on LeTigre is not the anonymized one.  D'oH!

[Lucia Nightfire]

6 hours ago, Qie Niangao said:

That's interesting. I'm not entirely confident that free land is even incentive enough, but it could be a start. Another step might be to migrate more and more public sandbox space from agni to aditi, and even to permit some transfer of freely uploaded content from aditi to agni (not sure if that could be regulated, though, to preserve any L$ sink for uploads).

For reasons I can't get into detail about, transfer of content from aditi to agni should NEVER be allowed.

[Qie Niangao]

11 minutes ago, Lucia Nightfire said:

For reasons I can't get into detail about, transfer of content from aditi to agni should NEVER be allowed.

I wondered. It seemed risky, but I couldn't figure out why I thought so.

[Qie Niangao]

On 8/27/2019 at 5:55 PM, Oz Linden said:

Other parts of this project include much better reporting on what's happening, including things we have not monitored closely before.

Yeah this is important.

It would be good to have trending on stuff like script time, spare time, etc., if that's not kept already.

Especially important when moving to the cloud.