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Are nipples allowed on G rated sims?  I can't seem to go anywhere with someone having their whole chest exposed.  It doesn't matter what the rating of the sim is.  Even more, they show up in search too.  G,M or A, i keep seeing nipples.

I could look on a map and anywhere with more than 7 avatars I will see AT LEAST 1 person there with no shirt on at all waving nipples around like they just bought them.

 

So .. is it OK to show nipples in all these areas or should I start a one person AR campaign?

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Are the nipples in question attached to a person of feminine or masculine appearance?

Apparently it matters a great deal in determining acceptability. Female-looking nipples being visible in public will cause the end of civiilisation as we know it, I have it on good authority.

SL's 5th birthday celebration had nipples-attached-to-feminine-bodies and they got kicked out. I do remember that, but dunno if that was a Maturity Ratings issue.

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Imagine if you tried to explain it to an alien...


Most women have breasts.

Some men have breasts.

Aside from cases involving accident or surgery, all humans have nipples.

A woman can get away with showing almost all of her breasts as long as, gods forbid, she doesn't show her nipples. Subject to local law, of course; the point being (take a pun from that if you choose) that the last piece of boob required to remain covered for 'decency' is the nipple. The bit we all have in common.

Male nipples, apparently, are fine. Female nipples are obscene.

Female breasts (or varying percentages thereof) are fine. Male breasts (in any quantity) are viewed with disgust.

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Kelli May wrote:

Imagine if you tried to explain it to an alien...

 

Most women have breasts.

Some men have breasts.

Aside from cases involving accident or surgery, all humans have nipples.

A woman can get away with showing almost all of her breasts as long as, gods forbid, she doesn't show her nipples. Subject to local law, of course; the point being (take a pun from that if you choose) that the last piece of boob required to remain covered for 'decency' is the nipple. The bit we all have in common.

Male nipples, apparently, are fine. Female nipples are obscene.

Female breasts (or varying percentages thereof) are fine. Male breasts (in any quantity) are viewed with disgust.

Aliens will have even bigger absurdities to work out if they deem us worthwhile.

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Rhonda Huntress wrote:

Are nipples allowed on G rated sims?
  I can't seem to go anywhere with someone having their whole chest exposed.  It doesn't matter what the rating of the sim is.  Even more, they show up in search too.  G,M or A, i keep seeing nipples.

I could look on a map and anywhere with more than 7 avatars I will see AT LEAST 1 person there with no shirt on at all waving nipples around like they just bought them.

 

So ..
is it OK
to show
nipples in all these areas
or should I start a one person AR campaign?

Of course they are.

Now you change the question. Nevertheless, the answer is yes, it is allowed.

If you'd asked if it is allowed to show female nipples in public on G rated sims, then the answer is no, it is not allowed. The only exception is art. Art (not porn pics) depicting the naked female (and male) form is allowed.

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Rhonda Huntress wrote:


Freya Mokusei wrote:

Are the nipples in question attached to a person of feminine or masculine appearance?

Yes, most of the time but not always.

Hrm. I think I found one of these confusing objects (I'm proposing to call them UNO's, Undeterminable Nipple-y Objects). I'm not sure whether it would be allowed on a General sim - or whether it's male or female. So I'll spoiler it, just to be safe.



 Sorry I can't help more, but rest assured I am persuing this research with fervour.

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Phil Deakins wrote:


Rhonda Huntress wrote:

Are nipples allowed on G rated sims?
  I can't seem to go anywhere with someone having their whole chest exposed.  It doesn't matter what the rating of the sim is.  Even more, they show up in search too.  G,M or A, i keep seeing nipples.

I could look on a map and anywhere with more than 7 avatars I will see AT LEAST 1 person there with no shirt on at all waving nipples around like they just bought them.

 

So ..
is it OK
to show
nipples in all these areas
or should I start a one person AR campaign?

Of course they are.

Now you change the question. Nevertheless, the answer is yes, it is allowed.

If you'd asked if it is allowed to show
female
nipples 
in public
on G rated sims, then the answer is no, it is not allowed. The only exception is art. Art (not porn pics) depicting the naked female (and male) form is allowed.

So far as I can see in the maturity ratings that the TOS refers to it is nudity (without an exception for art) that is proscribed, not nipples of any variety, male, female or other gendered. Nakedness means no clothes, not no bras or bikini tops.

https://community.secondlife.com/t5/English-Knowledge-Base/Maturity-ratings/ta-p/700119#Section_.1.2

In the description for general it says:

A region designated General is not allowed to advertise or make available content or activity that is sexually explicit, violent, or depicts nudity.  Sexually-oriented objects such as "sex beds" or poseballs may not be located or sold in General regions.

General regions are areas where you should feel free to say and do things that you would be comfortable saying and doing in front of your grandmother or a grade school class. Institutions such as universities, conference organizers, and real world businesses may wish to designate their regions as General. Likewise their users (and others) may wish to employ Second Life's General search setting to focus and filter search results appropriately.

Some landowners and Residents desire a Second Life experience distinct from the activity that occurs in Moderate and Adult regions. Region owners who wish to host this sort of Second Life experience can (but need not) designate their regions as General. 

If you are a region owner and you feel there is some ambiguity as to whether your content and activities are allowed in General regions, it's probably best to designate your region as Moderate.

I would take that to mean the context is important, I doubt exposure of nipples for breast feeding for example in any of those real life contexts would be considered inappropriate, it would be restricting breast feeding that would inappropriate if not illegal.

It is not nipples of any form that appear to be banned. What is important is whether the context is sexual.

When I was cruise director for topless sailors, a Linden joined us as we were embarking on a cruise from a rezz zone in a General rated area and his only comment was to point out apart from his pirate hat and boots he was not only topless but naked (he was in a skeleton avatar). He did not see any need to refer us to the TOS.

I suspect that the Linden policy is left vague so they don't have to make a decision, or can make random decisions to satisfy whatever needs they have at that moment in time.

Including nipples in the maturity ratings would expose a can of worms for them just as it is doing others at the moment on other platforms, where a trans man's nipples might be deemed allowed because they identify as male, whilst a trans woman's wouldn't be? what about people that don't identify as either of the two binaries. It is really much better for them to just be vague about it. Quietly banning people from events on mainland only where not doing so might cause them a headache for no stated reason except a vague reference to the TOS, and leaving private estate owners to do whatever they want.

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I haven't even looked at the ToS about this. I'm only using my memory from when things changed - when the Adult regions started. Back then, works of art depictuing nudity were stated as being allowed in public in G rated sims. That may not have made it into the ToS specifically, but it was officially stated back then. I think it was in the forum, or it could have been in the blog. I'm not sure.

I do remember things being stated by the main Linden concerned that other Lindens didn't pick up on. One of the other ones told me to remove my not-nude sex bed demo bots because he thought it was an infringement of the new rules. Not the bot rules - they were registered. It was only after I'd shown him what the main Linden wrote about it in the forum that he accepted that he was wrong, and I put them back. The 'art' exception was probably the same, but I definitely remember it as being allowed at that time. The reason I remember it is because I had a real interest in it. I owned almost all of the sim but one or two 512s held on. One of them sold such art. I say "sold" but I never saw anyone in the place. I actually tried an AR, hoping that the art was an infringment and the landower would sell to me, but it wasn't. Not a very nice thing to do, I know. I'd tried to buy a couple of times but I never got a response from him.

 

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Phil Deakins wrote:


Rhonda Huntress wrote:

How can you tell if a nipple is male or female?

The body it is part of is often a clue
:)

How do you know if a body in SL is female?

If the body is genderless, may I expose my nipples?

If my Avatar was just a breast,and no attached body could I leave the nipple exposed?

Is a futinari body male or female?

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I am glad you all see the humor as it was intended.

I know I am not going to change the world but I do like to make people think once in a while.  Just because "that is the way it has always been" is not an excuse to treat one person differently from another.

 

Why can't women show their nipples?
Because they are not men.

Why can't women fly combat missions?
Because they are not men.

Why can't women vote?
Because they are not men.

Why can't women own property?
Because they are not men.

Why can't women speak in public?
Because they are not men.

 

At what point does the argument turn to absurdity for one condition but not another.

 

/soapbox.

 

Free the nipples; free the world!

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Rhonda Huntress wrote:


Phil Deakins wrote:


Rhonda Huntress wrote:

How can you tell if a nipple is male or female?

The body it is part of is often a clue
:)

How do you know if a body in SL is female?

If the body is genderless, may I expose my nipples?

If my Avatar was just a breast,and no attached body could I leave the nipple exposed?

Is a futinari body male or female?

The statements back then concerned human bodies, but I imagine that human-like bodies would have qualified too.

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steph Arnott wrote:

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Some men have breasts." unless they are capable of producing milk then they are not mammory glands. Ever thought of learning biology?

The hardware ain't what it used to be in guys, but it is there:

Move two of my first line's spaces one to the left and you've got a pair.

;-).

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