Aislin Ceawlin Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 Seems that "back in the day" (my 7th rez day is quickly approaching) you might bump into a Linden here and there while cruising the grid. I have not seen a Linden in a couple years (or more). Might be the increased size of the grid, or are they just not active like they used to be? What are your thoughts on this?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dresden Ceriano Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 I like to think they're all too busy diligently working on fixing everything that's wrong with SL, without breaking everything that isn't. ...Dres (Hey... if I didn't want to live in a fantasy world, I wouldn't have come to SL in the first place.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrie Juran Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 For several years there was a policy against Linden's being In World with their Linden accounts with possible exception of Governance and Server teams. This was recently lifted: "1:05:53 I spoke to this earlier; the policy that Lindens with their actual Linden avatars – there was no policy against Lindens using alts in-world – but there was a policy against Lindens using their Linden avatar in-world, so that’s been removed. We just had an all hands meeting yesterday [Thursday April 10th, 2014], and I’m standing in front of a group of people and I’m saying, “I’m in there. I’m interacting with the users and I want you to do it to.”" http://modemworld.wordpress.com/2014/04/13/vwbpe-2014-ebbe-altberg-keynote-the-door-is-open/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrie Juran Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 Just adding, Ambleside, where the Linden Village once was, looks primarily like abandoned property now and the old balloon ride tour of the Village no longer works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Deakins Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 They keep chopping and changing. One time, one Linden was told to communicate more with us via the blog, but not long afterwards the powers that be (that were then) told them all not to communicate with us. On the one hand, communicating with us has a tendancy to show that users actually matter but, on the other hand, they often get a lot stick from users when they do. So much so that some of them changed their Linden names so that they weren't recognised and users couldn't carry on with the flack. Nevertheless, the company really should communicate with users even if all the employees don't, and not in external places like Twitter. If the CEO carries on communicating in Twitter, and other external places, and not in LL's own spaces, where the users are, he won't get any respect from me - not that he'll lose any sleep over that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dillon Levenque Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 Phil Deakins wrote: They keep chopping and changing. One time, one Linden was told to communicate more with us via the blog, but not long afterwards the powers that be (that were then) told them all not to communicate with us. On the one hand, communicating with us has a tendancy to show that users actually matter but, on the other hand, they often get a lot stick from users when they do. So much so that some of them changed their Linden names so that they weren't recognised and users couldn't carry on with the flack. Nevertheless, the company really should communicate with users even if all the employees don't, and not in external places like Twitter. If the CEO carries on communicating in Twitter, and other external places, and not in LL's own spaces, where the users are, he won't get any respect from me - not that he'll lose any sleep over that. Phil, I don't use Facebook or Twitter. But a HELL of a lot of people do, and some of them are Second Lifers. There are a fair amount of Forumites who are apparently regular Twitter users, and I'd suspect there are a great number of SL users who use Twitter, but don't even know these forums exist. As in, tens of thousands. If I'm right, then it's probably a good idea for Ebbe or anyone speaking for LL to do so on Twitter. The idea is to reach as many people as possible. Twitter probably has a bigger Second Life audience than the Forum. Don't get me wrong: I completely agree that the LL blog and the Forum should be included in any announcement. But I won't think less of LL for using Twitter, or even Facebook, as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrie Juran Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 A lot of the TWITS link back to the Featured News/Blog Posts. Ebbe Altberg @ebbealtberg “@SecondLife: Fresh Blog Post: Enjoy Faster Scene-Loading with Project Interesting http://bit.ly/SxDXBI ” Let us know what you think! I really don't twit myself but glance at them occasionally. I don't know if there is any way for us to see how many page views they get but I seriously think it will be a miniscule percent of users who ever look. But I don't even think people page attention to the Log In Screen. Fantasy Faire was right there on the Screen for the Official Viewer as well as being announced when logging in with Firestorm. Yet the number of times I heard, "Oh is that going on," when I told friends I was there was astounding. People simply don't look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbie Faulds Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 You used to see them on a regular basis. Now it's infrequent, and that's too bad. It's always an OMG, It's a LINDEN now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarenMichelle Lane Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 Bobbie Faulds wrote: You used to see them on a regular basis. Now it's infrequent, and that's too bad. It's always an OMG, It's a LINDEN now. For the longest time we had rezzed a "Linden Detector" at a few of my clubs and social gathering areas on the islands I owned. When a ***** Linden would visit it used to shoot fireworks and SPAM the owner and pepper local chat with "A Linden is Here! - A Linden is Here!"" announcements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amethyst Jetaime Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 When I first joined SL thw help menu item actually got you an IM from an actual Linden or brought a Linden to you to help if necessary! If someone needed to be removed, they'd come and literaally drag them off to the cornfield or banning. Of course the number of residents was under 10K at the time and the number of residents actually logged in was much smaller. They'd have to have an army of them now to do that. lol. I wish we'd see more Lindens around, even if its just to see them around occasionally and talking to people. If someone started to give them unreasonable grief they can always either tp away or deal with the person the way we do, by blocking them or even ejecting them after a warning. It would get the word out that you have to be respectful when talking to them even if you are discussing a 'problem'. It would go a long way to making users feel like they mattered. Since Ebbe told them to do it, i haven't see any. Has anyone? I wonder if any will show up at the SLB celebration. As far as twitter and facebook, official communication channels should always be used first and these services used only as a supplement. While a lot of residents do use these, i suspect that the number who don't is large too. No one i know uses them. If Ebbe can use twitter, why can't they allow us to comment on the blog posts and just moderate them to remove the hate speech that may show up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrie Juran Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 Amethyst Jetaime wrote: As far as twitter and facebook, official communication channels should always be used first and these services used only as a supplement. While a lot of residents do use these, i suspect that the number who don't is large too. No one i know uses them. If Ebbe can use twitter, why can't they allow us to comment on the blog posts and just moderate them to remove the hate speech that may show up? Well, it is easier to allow no comments than to be accused of 'censorship.' But I am in agreement with you. Sure they could get heated but commenting was allowed at one time. I linked someone earlier to the old blog post on Camping. Lots of comments. Jack Linden (pops) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aislin Ceawlin Posted May 19, 2014 Author Share Posted May 19, 2014 Ahhhh yes, the good old cornfield of death....lol!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbie Faulds Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 I believe they still bring that back on Halloween. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bobbie Faulds Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 You do know where being sent to the cornfield came from, right? It's from the short story by Jerome Bixby that was made into a Twilight Zone episode, It's a Good Life. Starred Billy Mumy. He made the town go away from the rest of the world. When he got upset with someone, he'd send them to the cornfield. Of course, those were never seen or heard from again. Yay for trivia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Deakins Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 Dillon Levenque wrote: Phil Deakins wrote: They keep chopping and changing. One time, one Linden was told to communicate more with us via the blog, but not long afterwards the powers that be (that were then) told them all not to communicate with us. On the one hand, communicating with us has a tendancy to show that users actually matter but, on the other hand, they often get a lot stick from users when they do. So much so that some of them changed their Linden names so that they weren't recognised and users couldn't carry on with the flack. Nevertheless, the company really should communicate with users even if all the employees don't, and not in external places like Twitter. If the CEO carries on communicating in Twitter, and other external places, and not in LL's own spaces, where the users are, he won't get any respect from me - not that he'll lose any sleep over that. Phil, I don't use Facebook or Twitter. But a HELL of a lot of people do, and some of them are Second Lifers. There are a fair amount of Forumites who are apparently regular Twitter users, and I'd suspect there are a great number of SL users who use Twitter, but don't even know these forums exist. As in, tens of thousands. If I'm right, then it's probably a good idea for Ebbe or anyone speaking for LL to do so on Twitter. The idea is to reach as many people as possible. Twitter probably has a bigger Second Life audience than the Forum. Don't get me wrong: I completely agree that the LL blog and the Forum should be included in any announcement. But I won't think less of LL for using Twitter, or even Facebook, as well. I omitted something. I didn't mean that the CEO shouldn't use external spaces. I meant that, if they are used instead of LL's own spaces, where the users are, he will not earn any respect from me. Using them as well as where the users are is fine, but not instead of, like he and his predecessor have been doing. Currently, it's instead of, and that is simply wrong, not to mention utter stupidity. There are enough people who look in this forum for any news to get around the SL population quickly enough - no slower, and probably much quicker, that news announced on Twitter and Facebook. The millions of people who use those spaces are irrelevent, because those millions of people have no interest whatsoever in SL. If the CEO really wants users to know any news, all he needs to do is point people at the forum and/or blog when they register, so that everyone knows they are there, and provide information there. He can think what he wants to think but he does not yet talk to the users. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirhc DeSantis Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 re 'The millions of people who use those spaces are irrelevent' well not quite. Out of the millions that are Twits or FaceBorgers there are those that can be informed if their interests include Second Life and indeed this happens. It depends on whether they choose to use those services (I had to expunge what I was going to call them there ) in that way. Information made available via a mass penetration social medium regarding Second Life is as 'irrelevent' as informing any other special interest group in the same manner. I would be fascinated to see real numbers regarding how many people do use this forum as opposed to or in conjunction with other sources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Deakins Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 The millions don't matter. Only those of them who are interested in SL matter, and that's not millions. That's what was meant. I don't mind those people being informed that way. What I do mind is when that way is used *instead of* LL's own information spaces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspiria Finucane Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Around the 1:08:00 mark should answer all your questions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffin Ceawlin Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Or... you know... at the 1:05 mark, that Perrie posted the relevant (transcribed) portion of. The video is also embedded at the link that he posted. Nice sig, btw. "Post count does not equate to intelligence.." Someone should have told you that back in the day, huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Torvalar Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Nice sig, btw. "Post count does not equate to intelligence.." Someone should have told you that back in the day, huh? Now it appears as 'icon' Griff. oooooo burn! Icon envy is such a tragic thing to behold. The butthurt runs deep in this one. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffin Ceawlin Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 LOL. "Post count" was my edit. But I think you are correct about the icon envy. And it is indeed tragic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canoro Philipp Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 someone should have told you that changing just some word(s) from a quote does not equate to intelligence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffin Ceawlin Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Nobody said it did... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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