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Couple of years ago i migrated from Smallworlds. Before that was Habbo Hotel.

Not doing anything in SL (and sadly haven't in a few weeks), currently driving in New Mexico Hopefully I can get back to SL fairly soon, rip all my free time

Yeah, the GPU side of the APU benefits from faster ram, as it uses system memory as video memory. So higher speed ram is faster video memory which is always beneficial with an APU. However its still a Ryzen 3 1200, pairing that with a dedicated GPU would be the better option unless they're on a tight budget, an RX 560 or 1050ti would give a drastically better graphical experience over GT 1030 tier graphics, which are about on par with a GTX 750.

This thread is physcially painful to read. Protip, and I'm not directing this at any one person, if you are not 100% positive you know what you're talking about, don't talk about it. I see a lot of talk on the technical forums here using anecdotal evidence and outdated information about hardware for SL. Like that whole "only nvidia will work for SL". The system requirements page for SL is a joke that needs to be re-done, its a literal relic from the mid 2000's, noted by the use of "ATI" and referencing 3D acellerator cards from the late 90's. This is an old thread, but whatever. You don't need much to run SL smoothly, pretty much any mid tier system from the last decade is fairly capable. I play on 12+ year old hardware and SL still runs pretty good in 1080p at medium settings. Something like the basic quad core and a mid tier GPU will handle SL just fine, going higher end leads you to the land of diminishing returns, when the 70$ G4560 gets you 3fps less than the 400$ 8700k... Ryzen 3 1200 or Pentium G4560, 8gb of ddr4, a compatible motherboard with a chipset that allows for future upgrades (B350 for AM4, Z270 for LGA 1151, though if you don't want to overclock, A320 for AM4 or B250 for 1151 are fine), a decent GPU like a GTX 1050ti or RX 560. Alternative with GPUs is to go a little older, GTX 750ti, 760, 770 or 950, 960 are great performers and can be found cheap used online. Note that older AMD cards are super power hungry, so make sure your system is up to the task of powering them, HD 7970, 7790 and 7770 are decently powerful cards, but are very high wattage, they can be found for super cheap used. Same with the R9 270x, 280, 280x and 290.

SL uses multiple cores and threads but doesn't utilize it well, certain aspects are heavily single threaded so a dual core with a decent single thread performance score can actually outperform 8/16+ core processors that have weaker single thread scores. Meltdown Spectre means nothing for SL or 99% of consumers in general, the average person is not a target for the people who would use that security exploit. Servers in particular are a target though games like SL would be super unimportant targets because they're not worth that much money and theres not much relavent user data to steal. 4gb of ram is fine for the LL viewer, ive run it on way less (1gb with the legacy viewer on XP, no issues), firestorm is, and I'm not sorry to all the people who use firestorm and praise it as the end all be all of viewers, bloated and really inefficient with resources and requires a lot more ram. Clock speed and cores mean next to nothing nowadays, a 4 core i7 4770k at 4ghz outperformed the 8 core 5ghz FX 9590. I use a Core2quad Q6600 and a Quadro FX 4600 with 8gb of DDR2 on Windows 8.1 with the 64 bit LL viewer. SL runs fine, more populated places or high detail places can drag down my FPS but for the average place with 10 or less people I see 30-40fps on medium settings. For a modern SL capable PC, look into recent quadcores with good single threaded performance scores and a GPU like an RX 550 or higher. I suggest a Ryzen 3 1200 or Pentium G4560, 8gb of ddr4 and maybe a GTX 1050ti or RX 460/560. That would be a very adequate system to run SL at high settings in 1080p and not see much frame loss with lots of people around.

Yeah, Sandra suggests midrange quadcores, most VR stuff does. You want a processor that pairs well with your VR capable (not just "it can do VR" but it can do it well) GPU or better. So if you have a GTX 1060, anything better than an i5 2500k is good. If you have a 1070 or 1080, an i5 4460 or 6600k, any higher and you want an i7 4790k or better. So considering the r7 1700 is waaaaay above that, you're good for VR sansar if you have the GPU for it.

My first thought was that your graphics card wasnt being used, but i dont think HD 2000 is even supported anymore. AMD has that weird thing that enables crossfire to work with IGP's for some reason, make sure thats disabled. If at all possible disable your IGP in the bios or via any intel graphics control panel you have. Drop to a baseline configuration, 1080p, medium preset, AA off, you should be seeing 45-60fps. Turn ALM off and you should be seeing a constant 60+ Otherwise theres still a bunch of stuff it could be, make sure to monitor CPU and GPU usage with something like GPU-Z and CPU-Z, make sure theyre being properly utilized, not overheating or whatever.

It could be a large variety of things, its definitely not your hardware though. And its not your internet connection, wifi is fine to use for SL if your computer is newer than 2001...

Well even then, its not a big deal. You just dont get any more updates. Doesnt mean the GPU is not going to work, just means you wont get any more new additions or fixes. LL still has a 32 bit viewer and will still release updates for it because people still use it. Just because Nvidia is no longer doing stuff for 32 bit operating systems doesnt mean the rest of the entire computer marketspace is going to stop supporting 32 bit.

It seems to work fine, the updates are a lot of small things but you can always just disable updates. Ive had them disabled recently due to the bug where it seemingly updates every time you run it. Just because there are no modern driver updates doesnt mean the current drivers arent going to work anymore. Really you dont need the most up to date drivers for a GPU unless theres some serious flaws at launch, which does happen sometimes but those are fixed quickly. I also dont use Windows 10, i still use 8.1 and never had any issues with bloatware since updates got backburnered like a year after its release. To be fair, usually after a few driver updates in, they start fixing very small unimportant things. I understand the drop of support for 32 bit operating systems especially for 10 series graphics cards simply because nobody should still be using a 32 bit OS as their "daily driver" anymore, and definitely not with a 10 series graphics card. Whats even a 1030 going to do on a system limited to 4gb of ram? LL will still release 32 bit updates for all those people who are still using the 32 bit client on 32 bit operating systems. Very few people on SL are using 10 series graphics cards but even then this doesnt really affect them, they just dont get any more GPU updates. Thats not going to break SL or break their GPU. I was looking mainly for information regarding general performance, i personally like the LL viewer because its what ive always used, and im not a fan of the transition going to firestorms UI. However because i have a fairly low end computer, if there was a difference in performance over the LL viewer id be more interested. From what people are saying here the actual framerate, loading times and overall performance boost is either nonexistent or minimal at best. I dont really use the advance building features that FS has, and most of its little tweaks are things i can do in the LL viewer if needed, although not as easily. From what ive read here, to me its not really worth moving to a different UI, i was looking for better framerate. In the end with my own testing of the LL viewer vs FS i got a literal 1fps performance increase on average with the same settings enabled in 1080p. What i noticed was that FS eats up a lot of ram for those tweaks that it has. And while for someone with 12 or 16gb of ram the extra 1gb it uses isnt a big deal, for me and my 8gb toaster oven from 2006/2007, it starts digging into excessive ram usage over the LL viewer which usually tops out at about 1.5gb for me.

Yeah that's beyond overkill for SL. A Ryzen 3 1200 is good enough for SL. I play SL on a 13 year old Core2Quad Q6600. For future reference, there is no desktop processor made in the last 15 years that won't at least start SL. And anything core2duo and newer will play SL fine. The only modern processors i can think of that just plain and simple are not compatible or will give such poor performance the game is unplayable, would be Cherry Trail ULV Atoms from super low end netbooks, Sub 1ghz first gen APU's and non supported architectures like PowerPC. And then anything 423/478 Pentium 4 or older would be unplayable.

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Just wondering, what are your preferences for the LL viewer vs Firestorm? Is there any performance benefit for you and your hardware configuration?

this, i could really use that extra 256mb of vram

thats not how that works (reeee), thats a 3rd gen mobile quadcore, its about on par with a dual core ivy bridge desktop i3 from the same era http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i3-3250-vs-Intel-Core-i7-3632QM/m4950vsm36 In fact, its completely destroyed by a modern i3 7100. http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i3-7100-vs-Intel-Core-i7-3632QM/3891vsm36 Series name != performance metric, a modern Celeron outperforms a first gen i7 extreme edition. Articles you'd see online for those OEM machines are going to be whatever the reviewer was given. Its second gen i series stuff, it can be anything from the lowly i3 2120 to the i7 2600. Very commonly you'd find those with middle of the road i5 2500's, which are still pretty great processors. That being said, a GT 710 wasnt a good pick for it, even if it was just an i3 in there, the 710 is designed solely as a display adapter or super low end graphics solution with the goal of "it can run more than one monitor and it even plays 1440p video" in mind. As for OP, you're not gonna be doing too much on it. I believe you posted another thread on the 710 elsewhere, its not good for much over 720p medium/low for secondlife to get "acceptable" framerates in more basic spaces. I was looking at about 20fps in places like Social Island on medium/low in 720p. Highly populated places or complex player created places were not playable at all. And that was with a Core2Duo E6700. Running a 710 on anything newer than a mid range core2duo is creating a GPU bottleneck. Because even a Core2duo E8400 is fine with a GTX 750ti, in fact the 750ti is probably the best option for your system, since its low power and decently powerful and would pair well with a sandy bridge second gen i series processor. For a comparison of performance, im currently running a Nvidia Quadro FX 4600, it is from 2007, it has a mere 768mb of video memory, and its netting me a solid 30-40fps on medium settings in 1080p with lots of people around on Social Island, and thats just a Core2Quad Q6600 paired with it as a processor. That 11 year old GPU outperforms the GT 710 by a fair bit and it cost me like 15 bucks. Return the 710, buy a used 750ti or 750. Maybe a modern GTX 1050ti or 1050, even a 1030 if youre on a budget or if your system is low profile and the low profile 750/1050's are hard to find. Make sure to buy from name brands, as there are a lot of fake 750ti's and stuff on ebay. Look for Zotac, as the zotac 750ti's were super popular and everyone had one.

Ive done it before with a Core2duo E6700 and a GT 710 with 3gb of ram on Windows XP. It didnt work well, but it was fairly playable. I was looking at about 20fps in 720p on medium/low settings, ALM off, on most basic places like Social Island. Its a bit late now considering you already bought it, but for the 30$ they cost, there are way better options. A used R7 240 can be found for 35-40$ and is significantly better.

this too, has for some reason stuck around since the early 2000's Modern wireless internet adapters, and by that i again mean anything newer than ~2004 is fine. For regular use its going to be just as good as a wired connection so long as you have a decent quality adapter and an ok router. Which any modern router and any standard intel wireless chipset is going to be fine for. It wont be as fast, but considering SL can still be smoothly run for chat and voice and get decent loading times over a 500kbps connection, having 10mbps instead of 30 that you would have on ethernet is fine.

Sounds like youre hitting some kind of limit, whether its a ram limit, video memory limit, or physical hardware overheating or something, if its a gradual increase in issues until a crash, its usually something along those lines. Monitor your RAM usage in task manager or something, see if SL is using up a lot of memory it shouldnt be, the regular LL viewer tends to only use 1-2gb of RAM tops. Firestorm can use a lot more. This is entirely irrelevant any time after ~2004. But because a lot of people here are older and were playing when it was a concern, this whole "AMD = teh sux" stigma has stuck around for some reason... Ive explained that extensively before and i dont think people wanna read that again.

https://community.secondlife.com/knowledgebase/english/ This section has quick guides on just about everything.

I'm gonna say no, or its going to be just barely playable. My Athlon 5350 blows that Atom away from a CPU performance standpoint, especially in single threaded which is very important for SL. And that Athlon was really struggling with SL on its own. I don't think youre going to have a pleasant experience, if the game will run over 10fps at all. Any remotely populated place will be unplayable.

Alright then GPU-Z, on max settings in 1080p im running around 720-730mb of video memory usage. Note that dropping to my usual medium/high settings brings that down to about 650. And that dropping down to a 1024x768 window doesnt effect vram usage beyond maybe 20mb. 2gb is fine. The important thing with running multiple viewers is a processor with good single threaded performance and multiple cores to spread out the load.

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GPU video memory? You dont need much. I think unless youre running max settings it tends to stick around 400-500mb usage? Ive played SL with two viewers on general medium settings on a 1gb GT 710 before and saw no performance issues. You can easily use a 2gb card like a basic GTX 1050, GT 1030, RX 550, etc and not run into a VRAM limitation with multiple viewers.

If youre good with building one, my suggestion for something on this budget is a system like this: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/wsnDbj Note that this includes a licensed copy of Windows 10 Home 64 bit, you can always just pirate it (not that i would suggest that, no sir not me), or use the "demo" version that i dont fully understand but i think it just leaves a watermark on your desktop, and thats free. Or use Linux and the Linux viewer if you dont do anything that requires really windows specific software. You can also usually buy keys online for a bit cheaper. If you want to save the 80-90 pounds or so. Theres a lot of compromises here, but its still pretty decent hardware, R3 1200 + 1050ti benchmarks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK_ktjGHyeg Note its holding 60fps+ on high/max settings in a lot of games in 1080p. Now SL is different because obviously its not like these perfectly designed games, SL is basically a big trash bin of unoptimized content. Its single threaded performance is similar to mid tier quadcores from a few generations back, such as the i5 2500k, which is plenty for running SL without a crazy CPU bottleneck. http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-2500K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-3-1200/619vs3931 I run SL fairly smoothly on medium settings in 1080p on a Core2Quad Q6600 and a Quadro FX 4600 (2007 hardware), and the R3 1200 makes the C2Q look like its a relic from the 80's performance wise. http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core2-Quad-Q6600-vs-AMD-Ryzen-3-1200/1980vs3931 The motherboard is nothing special but it is the first compromise, the A320 chipset is the low end of AMD's current Ryzen/AM4 processor chipset lineup. It does not support overclocking, it doesnt support crossfire/sli. You can see what the chipsets for AM4 can and cant do here: http://www.amd.com/en-us/products/chipsets/am4# However, its still AM4. You still have a massive upgrade path to go from the Ryzen 3 1200 all the up to a Ryzen 7 1800x if you really wanted to, just that you wouldnt be able to overclock it, and you would be limited to one graphics card. The RAM is 2x4gb of 2400mhz DDR4. This is a 50/50 depending on what you want to do here, i chose that configuration because its the cheapest 8gb option currently, a single 8gb stick would be better because you could add another 8gb stick in the future for a total of 16gb, but if you have 2x4gb sticks you need to replace both to get 16gb. If you think you will use 16gb in the future, spend the extra 20 pounds to get a single 8gb stick now. If not, the 2x4gb sticks are the most economical route. The HDD is just a really basic 7200rpm 1TB HDD. Honestly, use whatever for this. Get the kind of capacity you need, i personally dont use much space at all on my PC and i hardly fill the 120gb SSD i have. If you only need 160gb, get a 160gb drive. I dont recommend it, but theyre like 15$ USD max, its still a 7200rpm drive and its still fairly fast. If you want to sink a bit more money into it, invest in an SSD, the faster read/write times do pay off in cache heavy programs (like SL), boot times and loading times for applications are also decreased a lot. Though SSD's are more expensive from a price per gigabyte standpoint. The EVGA 1050ti is a 1050ti. Its a good card, 1080p/60fps kind of thing, really popular, not much to say about it, the above benchmark video on this setup kind of shows what it can do. It doesnt require any PCIe power connectors and runs off board power alone, its cool and quiet. The Seasonic S12II 520w power supply, i always suggest a higher quality power supply unless youre straight up destitute broke. Its nothing fancy but its made by a very well respected brand, Seasonic, and its 80+ Bronze efficiency rated. I cannot be bothered to explain PSU efficiency but basically it wastes less power and makes less heat. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/80_Plus It has everything you need for future upgrades, including 6 and 6+2 pcie connectors so you can upgrade to a decently powerful GPU in the future (i think reference GTX 1080's use 8 + 6 pin connectors). The case is just... whatever. Ive never heard of it, its inside layout looks nice to work in, its got good reviews, and its cheap. But pick whatever you really want for a case as long as its Micro ATX or larger and full height (since you have an mATX board and a full height graphics card). If you have a case lying around, use that. If you find something cheap at a garage sale, use that. Case isnt the most important thing for these low end builds where airflow is not a massive concern. Theres also a little wireless adapter there. Piece things together as you find deals on parts, pcpartpicker is just a good reference to check compatibility and compare prices across the more popular computer parts retailers online. If you find a component cheaper elsewhere, go for it. Brick and mortar physical real world stores tend to have decent deals and rebates, coupons and sales and all that. Microcenter or Frys or whatever.

Make sure your drivers are updated to not necessarily their newest version, but their most stable release.