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"i7 8700" "gtx 1050ti" this causes me physical pain Try 3 things, turn on ALM, with some systems that have such a hardware inbalance like this, offloading more of the graphical strain to the CPU can actually be beneficial. Secondly push your network bandwidth limit to the max on the slider, its 2018 not 2003, you can probably push 10mbps into SL if you have a decent internet connection. Finallly, record your FPS with the ingame fps counter and post the little graph it makes here. Stuttering happens with SL, its a terribly optimized game. But you should be seeing around 40-50fps in the majority of places especially with those lower settings. Also buy a better GPU, youve got the PC equivalent of a ferrari with a jettas engine in it. All flair and potential but the GPU is holding it back hardcore.

the below post is what a software issue would result in the top picture is the result of graphics drivers or a misused openGL api, that used to happen to a lot of mesh objects for me on windows XP because of an issue where my gpu supported a version of openGL that XP didnt and the viewer didnt and the GPU was trying to use a newer version than what was being used by everything else the bottom picture showing the broken textures and visible UV map makes me think of a cache problem OP's issue was resolved and was related to glow settings, however i would still relate that to hardware at some level, you dont usually see whole screen artifacting without it being a hardware problem, i still think it is related to what i mentioned about it being in FS and not the LL viewer about hitting a certain portion of video memory thats probably damaged.

Something I'd like to drop into here as someone who used to be community relations staff for another social game that recently died off. People always asked "why does the report do nothing" or other words along those same lines. and it really comes down to the fact that there are so many reports and only so many people to deal with them, and more than 3/4 were usually false reports false reports were a big issue because you can't just ignore them, you need to read them as well and review the evidence to see if it's a real report or not, most of the time we'd see some random gibberish in the 130 character description and then the chatlogs showed "I'm reporting you, you're gonna get banned" and going back you find that it's just one person harassing another and trying to scare them by reporting them when you get thousands a day and a majority of them are just garbage it makes management of the real ones difficult and then you have user NDAs where you can't really directly talk to a user without it being a very serious problem, because sometimes you're missing evidence and you'd like to get clarification but many games with large player bases try to minimize staff/user interactions because it takes up a lot of time and ends up with a lot of people complaining about SOMETHING and you never know what and then if you do have to take action against someone, they're not gonna like that of course and either try to make a fake appeal or they're going to complain all over the place that they were falsely banned/muted whatever being game staff is hard, and users are why the system is slow, and they then of course have to complain about the system being slow

That is not a driver or any other kind of software problem, that's a dead gpu. Or at least one near death. from personal experience, those kinds of artifacts on the screen are the signs of dead video memory warranty to apple, get it replaced the regular LL viewer isn't as intense on the GPU as firestorm is with firestorms extended graphical options, you're most likely hitting higher video memory usage and tapping into the dead vram heat tends to cause these issues

The i3 7100T one actually wouldnt have too many issues with SL, its integrated graphics would handle SL fine and 6gb of ram is enough for SL + a few browser tabs or whatever. The difference in cost seems to mainly come down to the processor they used, the i3 model is more expensive because its a more expensive, more powerful processor. Not to mention things like more/less ram or different screen resolutions. SL is a game that relies on a good processor, for SL you want the best processor you can afford in a system. I would suggest looking into a variety of different prebuilts, though if an all in one system is a must, try these, all three will run SL fairly smoothly, but dont expect maxed out always perfect framerate kind of performance. https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=1YU-00GN-00009 this one is a little more expensive but would perform a bit better https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883101657 this one is very expensive but has a dedicated GTX 1050 graphics chipset that would greatly help out the graphical side of this game https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883221508 for all other purposes though id suggest the first one, it isnt fancy but it'll perform fine for SL and its fairly cheap, looks nice too, there are a couple different model variants with more or less ram on newegg

I would still suggest a 970 but not at 400$, that's not an accurate price for one. You shouldn't buy old gen tech new, used you can find a 970 for 170-220$ easily on eBay. And used maxwell cards are pretty safe buys, nobody really used them for mining because the AMD R9 300 series cards were way better at it for the cost. For the same reason I wouldn't buy a 10 series card used, warranty or not people were using everything down to 1050ti cards for mining and there are a lot of dead cards out there and in relation, used post mining cards likely near death. Ironically since AMD didn't put out a high tier card this last gen, the cooler running 400/500 series RX cards are good post mining used cards to buy. Vega absolutely not though. Especially not the FE which has thermal problems even with normal loads. A 560 is a good choice from a price to performance perspective but only if you won't buy used. There are much better performing used cards out there for only a little more money. Some options include the above mentioned 970 or really any Maxwell 900 series card above the 950, GTX 770/780's or even older like a 680 if you have the PSU for it.

"synching" is not a thing, it'll be the same with any other processor neither has any benefits over one another for the sake of SL, this idea is based on an issue from over a decade ago @KawaiiDuirii it'll be fine for SL if thats what your budget allows

1500 and under can go pretty far. On the low end look into anything with a 7th gen or higher intel dual core, as they will have intel HD 620 graphics which perform very well for the price and will let you play the game at medium/higher settings in 1080p without issue. Dont buy anything with a GT 940m or 940MX as they are terrible mobile graphics cards that are still being sold for some reason. Mobile 1050ti based systems with mobile quadcore i5/i7's would be well within your price range, look for the specific specs you would want within your budget. Ryzen + Vega graphics apu laptops have been showing up recently if you would want basically the same kind of laptop but with a significantly more powerful APU inside. My personal suggestion just because i like them and i think theyre very nice machines for their price, is a Gigabyte Aero. These are 14" ones which might be better for travel: http://www.agearnotebooks.com/gigabyte-14.html Either generation, its either a 6700HQ or a 7700HQ, GTX 965m or 1060. Obviously the 7700 + 1060 version is significantly more expensive but the older generation one is still very capable and a couple hundred dollars less. And these are 15.6", which while larger, are cheaper and have better specs. Yes, you literally save hundreds of dollars by getitng a bigger laptop. Thanks consumers who think bigger screen = better. http://www.agearnotebooks.com/gigabyte-15.html

I used to have this issue when using a viewer that didnt support bento. It turned out to be not only a problem with the viewer, but also because i was using Windows XP and didnt have the recommended version of OpenGL running on my video card because of that. OpenGL isnt like a downloadable thing, its built into applications and your graphics devices support up to a certain version of it. The legacy viewer didnt support the version of openGL my card was trying to use and windows XP couldnt support it either. I doubt this is the issue if youre on Windows 7 or newer but you never know. Try 2 things, just because they can also cover a lot of bases: 1) Update your graphics drivers, whichever they may be. Each one of these is a link to how to do so for Intel, AMD/ATI, and Nvidia. If you dont know what you have, you can check your system specifications with the tool Speccy by Piriform, though an easier one is to use the command msinfo32 in the "run" bar on Windows 7 or higher. 2) Do a straight up reinstall, or try moving back to a slightly older version of the viewer.

multiple people using the same network wouldnt cause stops, it would cause general slowdowns the only signals that are going to interfere with most wifi signals on a regular bsis is what your microwave puts out, bluetooth and car alarms, all of which operate on a 2.4ghz signal, microwaves in particular can cause a signal to be entirely cut out i suggested this hardware issue from extensive personal experience, as someone who has a LOT of very old computers, the first thing to die on laptops from the early 2000's is the wlan cards, and they show those exact symptoms, they work fine until they suddenly disconnect, and they sometimes wont reconnect until the system has cooled for a while 5ghz wlan cards have this issue even if theyre less than a year old, they get a lot hotter theres a reason high end wifi cards have heatsinks, its not just for show and flair, but even little ones sitting in laptops get pretty hot over time and once they've been damaged by heat once, it just gets easier for it to happen again

If an Ethernet cable works and wifi doesn't, either your router or the wifi adapter in your laptop is dying. It happens mainly to much older systems but sometimes the chips on the cards get too hot and start having faults. Usually indicates by it being unable to hold a connection stable. So if you want your laptop to be a bit more mobile, try replacing the wifi adapter. There's probably an ifixit guide for it, it just fits into a small slot. I suggest buying an identical card model if you don't want to deal with installing new drivers and problems with bios level compatibility.

Explain exactly why because this doesn't make any sense. SL is stupidly texture heavy in some places because nobody knows how to optimize their content and uses uncompressed 1080p images for everything. If you have the vram and a program wants to use the vram, use the vram. That's what it's there for. 99% of places in SL would likely be fine with 512mb allotted but at longer view distances and more complex places, more vram = better.

you have at minimum 4gb of vram with a 980, and the rest of your system would use almost nothing you could have SL use 3.5gb of it and have no problems with anything else running unless you decided to play something like GTAV alongside SL

why do people keep necrobumping year old threads where do you even find these

Actual frame rate lag or just stuff moving slowly? There's a big difference if things in game are moving super slow or jumping around, it's likely an internet problem if you're seeing the menus stutter to open, a recordable low FPS, it's almost always a graphical problem a bad internet connection isn't going to lower your frame rate, the onboard graphics would continue to render what it does have available and you'd get about the same fps im gonna say it's that APU that I'm amazed can run SL at all, if you just downgraded to 8.1, make sure to update your drivers for that APU, I see a "windows graphics driver" version being mentioned and not an AMD driver tldr you're probably running on the default windows graphics drivers, update your APUs graphics driver

I don't need more but I want more honestly though, id need to do a full system upgrade, I could jump to an i7 4790k and pair well with a 1080ti or Titan XP, but these RTX cards are being bottlenecked on 7700/8700k's from the few little snippets of system configurations we've seen so far and I don't have a use for a card like that anyway

lighting and shadows, physics and object management are handled by the CPU, and SL has a lot of that, and its engine for these tasks is very archaic from the time where single core single thread processors were common, its not optimized for properly utilizing multiple threads/cores (this isnt saying that the game DOESNT use multiple cores, but that its not using multi core/thread capabilities to their fullest potential) so you gpu actually isnt doing too much with SL, graphically i can run this game fairly well on a large variety of gpus with the same i5 4570 i have, maxed my GTX 970 is only getting a 5-10fps more than my GTX 560ti, and thats only getting 1-2fps more than a gtx 465 which is only getting about 5fps more than a GTX 275 basically i lose 20fps max dropping from a 970 to a 275, which isnt the case with any other game, its a cpu bottleneck in a system thats well paired and doesnt have a bottleneck in any other game its something LL really needs to work on but it would be a daunting task, theres a LOT of legacy stuff that still exists in the current viewer and i imagine a lot would have to be rewritten from scratch

Either will work fine. Theres not too much in the way of GPU specific problems once you get above the cards produced before 2009 or so.

SL is more CPU bound than gpu. They're interesting cards but the consumer versions are just a cash grab. There is no reason for the 2080ti to be 1200$. They're trying to make up for the losses from putting out way too many pascal cards at their end of generation to sell to miners that went nowhere when crypto crashed hard and the hobbyists bailed. The professional cards are interesting with their real time ray tracing capabilities, is been a desire for a very long time for movie production to have a dedicated render server option that would be capable of showing larger scenes and stills rendered with lighting in real time. There is no use for this feature on consumer cards however and I'm not sure why the consumer cards have this RTX name when they're trying to sell gaming cards to gamers who will likely never touch real time ray tracing with the cards ever. It means nothing for SL until LL can work out its resource management for proper multi threaded CPU rendering. Graphically you can max this game at higher framerates on a 580.

Note that very little of the lighting is handled by the GPU, lighting is a CPU bound render task. ALM will eat your system up no matter the gpu if you have a weaker CPU.

First and foremost, what is with this hardware? Lmao That aside, an actual windows logout, or a complete system shutdown? If the pc is turning off or bluescreening after a certain bit of time has passed, its either a heat problem or an issue with resource management. I can say that 4gb of ram is not a problem for a single viewer, even if you maxed out your ram you would either hit the page file and notice slow loading or the programs would just crash. I did a whole thing on SL vs its system requirements using a 32 bit viewer with 1gb and 8gb (3.8gb) of ram and had no problems on the latter system: https://community.secondlife.com/forums/topic/425909-sl-vs-system-requirements/ 1gb was unusable, 4gb was perfectly fine and showed no problems related to ram. Noted in red like Theresa and Whirly also commented on it, you say youre on windows 10 but your viewer says windows 8, that could be causing some problems and might also not. I know some programs would rely on windows 10 only features but i doubt thats it. Two things i want you to try, the first being that if you are given any kind of error code, or anything after the logout/crash, post it here. The second being if you are experience not just logouts, but hard shutdowns, start recording the temperatures of your computers components. Theres a program called Speccy from piriform that does just this, or another called speedfan. And this part is not related to your problem but is related to my first line in this post, what is up with your weird PC configuration? Thats a semi old but still decent high end processor paired with a very low end graphics card and only 4gb of ram. I highly suggest upgrading your ram to 8gb and replacing your GPU with something like a GTX 750ti or whatever else your system supports power and space wise. A 750ti or GT 1030 is a good bet because they fit in just about anything physically and dont need any extra power connectors. You asked "how" with a ram upgrade, check this article https://www.pcworld.com/article/2957195/components/how-to-install-new-memory-in-your-pc.html To summarize that, find a matching spec stick of ram, place it in a slot. Its a very easy hardware upgrade to do, just plug it into the slot and everything else is handled by the computer. The difficult part for people who dont know much about it is compatibility, read the label on your current ram, find out what it is and get something the same format and speed. There will be a little label like "PC3-10600" which means 1333mhz DDR3 format. You can also check this information with the above mentioned program Speccy to find out the speed and format. You dont need to worry much about timings, and you can actually mix-match sticks of different speeds but your motherboard may not support it, so its best to be on the safe side and just get the same speed memory. If you have a single 4gb stick installed, another 4gb stick of ram will cost you less than 40$ brand new. For the GPU, if you wanted to upgrade that, its just a matter of a screw or two, a little push tab, and then replacing the card with a new one in the same slot. Then installing drivers or letting nvidia/amd's software handle it for you. Without knowing about your computers power supply, its best to buy cards that dont require a 6 or 8 pin power connector, cards that are powered off of the slot itself alone. A GTX 750, 750ti, 1050, 1030, etc are all lower power cards that give great performance, they can all be found relatively cheap.

Well i was too slow and cant edit that previous post, so heres part 2 Recommended Requirements Linden Labs recommends essentially the same thing with a preference to a 64 bit operating system, any processor that meets minimum requirements but is over 2ghz in clock speed, and a variety of graphics cards shown above. I decided to go with the GTX 275 since it was the most "midrange" option on the list, with some cards being extremely old and some being either unable to be properly utilized like the GTX 295 or were more difficult to track down. I stuck with Windows 7 32 bit because there really was no reason to use 64 bit when the recommended settings suggest 4gb of ram, i have 8 installed in the system and due to 32 bit limitations 3.8gb will be available. The secondary reason for sticking with 32 bit is that this kind of project was originally inspired from a discussion on the 32 bit viewer and why it even exists. (definitely not because i lost my USB stick with 64 bit windows 7 on it) The processor is the same, the rest of the system is overall the same, all thats changed is we've gone from 1gb to 4(8)gb of ram and swaped the 6600GT for a GTX 275. This is what Linden Labs recommends for the game. As before, the Matrox card is not being utilized. Ignore the GPU temperatures, the card is not being utilized, its just a speccy error. With the GTX 275 we can now play ABOVE 1024x768 and play in full HD 1080p. Starting off on Social Island 5 with a bunch of people around, using the settings SL automatically chose for the system configuration, we're getting single digit framerates but its not stuttering. Note that the game suggested Atmospheric shaders and ALM, which it can run without problems even on 896mb of video memory, but its less than ideal for framerate. Dropping those settings down and tweaking some others allows for a very playable 15fps, and note that this is with a LOT of people around, there were a solid 8-12 people coming in and out of the entrance at SI5. Removing ALM is a bit of a sacrifice here but its a necessity to keep the framerate up, its mainly shadows that kill it. Atmospheric shaders are a requirement for the anti aliasing you see here and it doesnt affect framerate much at all, neither does water reflections or transparent water. With everything but basic Shaders to the minimum the framerate only goes up to around 20, which is definitely just a whole system hardware bottleneck showing. Overall i would call this very playable, though it shouldnt be the recommended hardware to play SL. This is a system from 2009, it is incredibly outdated. Maybe this wouldve been really great for SL in 2009 but its been 9 years since the Pentium E6500k and GTX 275 were even a thing. You can get drastically better performance for a very low price from modern day low end hardware. A current generation Pentium or i3 paired with a GT 1030 or GTX 1050 would be more than enough to run this game at very high settings and get great performance out of it. I would imagine something like that or the hardware equivalents (GT 1030 = GTX 750 = GTX 650ti = GTX 560ti = GTX 470 and so on...) would be a much better option for "recommended settings". Because i would look at this system with the E6500k and the 275 and call this pretty much the minimum to get an experience that isnt: -Super laggy -At a low Framerate -Stuttery or unstable -Only runs at lower resolutions Because anything less than this after a certain point is pretty much unplayable, a GTX 260 will do it for sure, but a GTS 250/240 is going to struggle graphically, an 8800 GTX is going to be on the borderline of even playable and the 6600GT shows that theres a point where you've gone too far back. As well this game is very CPU bound and plain and simple, the E6500k isnt cutting it. Its clearly playable, i would list later Core2 processors as the minimum but a more recent i series processor would give much better performance. 1gb of ram should not be a minimum, yes it starts, no its not playable. My suggestions for the system requirements page look like so: The reasoning for each is as such, for the processor any processor with SSE2 wont cut it, Single core pentium 4's will not play SL. It will start, it will not be playable in any way, i have done that testing before with a socket 478 system running a 2.2ghz Pentium 4 from 2002, it clearly ran, it ran unusably bad. Camera lag, generally low framerates, couldnt handle the game at all. So i suggest a minimum of 6000/8000 series Core2duo and Core2quad processors and their AMD equivalents in the x2 and x3 athlons. These processors are kinda the bare minimum to get decent performance out of the game. theyre common in many older systems and theyre still fairly capable today. As ive stated above, the Pentium E6500k im showing you today is about on par with a Core2duo E8400, a very common older dual core processor that many POS and office systems are using. The Celeron J and AM1 athlon 5350 are other baselines for low end SoC systems that many people have, or that they can easily compare to. These processors are as well about at the minimum before you run into serious CPU problems. The minimum ram goes up to 2gb, theres just no way 1gb is enough, it wont do it. Screen resolution stays the same since it doesnt really matter but 800x600 the UI is extremely cluttered. The minimum GPUs change to the GTX 200 and 400 series. GTX is specified because as i said the GTS and GT cards probably wont be able to run the game well, if at all. The GTX 260 being the new minimum, the GTX 460 likely being the more common minimum. Very capable cards but for SL's graphics demands theyre about at the point where you can run in 720p or 1080p at around medium settings to get a low but playable FPS. Or low settings in 720p to get about 30fps. The AMD/ATI equivalents are just the nearest performance generations to each, with the HD 5850 being similar to a GTX 470. Intel HD 4000 becomes the oldest integrated graphics to be used as minimum, i believe 3000 is supported by LL but the performance is terrible, HD 4000 will provide a playable albeit not great experience. Recommended also sees some changes, processors are more specific with Sandy Bridge (second gen) intel i series processors being recommended for users. The single thread performance of the sandy bridge i3/5/7 lineup will provide a great experience for SL and anything newer will only prove to be better. First gen i series can definitely do it, but i wouldnt consider it recommended. Ram stays at 4gb since even the 64 bit viewer doesnt really use more than 2.5gb of ram maxed out. Recommended resolution becomes 720p for minimal UI clutter. The graphics cards change to The nvidia GTX 650ti and higher in the 600 series, and GTX 750 and higher in the 700 series. Cards like the 680, 780, 780ti and newer are omitted since any cards with a bigger number than those listed will play the game at higher settings to get good framerates. A user can look at the 770 and see they have even the midrange GTX 950 or GT 1030 and know their card will perform well with the game, since the 1030 is about on par with a 750. This is designed to make less tech literate users who cant compare hardware well, understand and get a rough idea of what their system will do with SL. 500 series is omitted since it is between the listed minimum and recommended, indicating it will give ok performance. once again the AMD graphics cards are just the nearest performance equivalents, with the higher end 7000 series and midrange R9 series listed. Anything above those or between can be interpreted the same as the nvidia cards. Note the message "updated drivers required" is gone, because you do not need the newest drivers to just play the game. In fact with this 275 i was using drivers from 2010 with the card because the newest ones didnt support Windows 7 32 bit. Its an unnecessary piece of information to give people, the people who would run into graphical driver problems arent really going to know that they have graphical driver problems and will ask people about it anyway. And that about wraps up my rant. To tl;dr everything thats gone on in this thread: -The current minimum requirements are unplayable and should not be considered the minimum to play the game -The system requirements page in general is out of date, full of useless information and needs to be reworked -The recommended requirements are definitely playable but are considered the minimum in 2018 for this games performance And before someone goes "but this is playable for me and i run weaker hardware, i have XYZ, just because you have better hardware and play this game at higher settings doesnt mean a lower tier is worse overall". Youre wrong, just because im used to my GTX 970 and i5 4570 blasting through SL at max settings in 1440p doesnt mean im looking at the performance of a GTX 275 and pentium from 2009 and going "wow this is trash". It legitimately is trash, in comparison to what other games would consider playable recommended settings, SL's recommended end performance is about the same as most other games minimum end performance. "SL isnt a game" SL is a game, its also not a game, it depends how you play, in the end it works about the same as any other videogame just with a lot more unoptimized content. 'You need more video ram/video ram needs to be listed" that 275 has 896mb of video memory and i used to run this game on a Quadro FX 4600 with 768mb just fine, it causes texture problems at long distance but its not going to cause framerate problems. I would suggest 1-2gb of video memory for SL, 4gb+ if you visit a lot of high texture intensive places or play in 1440p/4k resolution. "you didnt use the 64 bit viewer, the performance is much better" unless SL were to need more than 3.8gb of ram, there was no benefit to the 64 bit viewer here, in fact using the 32 bit viewer and a 32 bit OS probably benefited performance a bit here due to the reduced CPU and memory overhead Please ask questions below, i can test specific hardware or run certain scenarios and settings if you would like to see them. Youre more than welcome to question my personal choices and opinions on the minimum and recommended hardware. Sidetracking, my "minimum" system for SL would look like this: Core2Quad Q6600, 4gb of DDR2, GTX 550ti, playing in 1080p or 720p. An optiplex 780 with a Q6600 and 4gb of ram would cost you like 50$ tops, a 550ti would be another 50$ tops, and a PSU upgrade if the base system doesnt have a 6 pin would be maybe 40$. In total 140$ maximum for a system that would play SL just fine, not great, but far from bad, and leave a little headroom for upgrades though really it would be a more economical option to spend the money on something like a newer base machine and a temporary GPU before upgrading the GPU. i.e. an Optiplex 790 with an i7 2700 and 8gb of ddr3 for 140$, and then spending another 120-160$ later on a low profile GT 1030 or GTX 1050 to add to the system, which would be a significantly more powerful option for less than 300$. A recommended system would be basically your very boring i5 + GT 750ti box from a few years back. A haswell i5 such as an i5 4460, 8gb of ddr3 and any GPU above the 750ti would run any sim in SL at higher settings in 1080p with no problems whatsoever. It was a configuration i used for years and im still using something similar today and its easily playing SL maxed out.

I would think the network speed requirements are fine as is, I've played on sub 1mbps up/down before, things take a while to load sometimes but once they do the game runs smooth anyway. An SSD would help but only with load times, which aren't really a necessity, I think I would include it under recommended settings to have one or at least a note to keep the cache on it. recommended testing is coming later today

Reserving this section for recommended requirements and updated system requirements suggestions.