Garnet Psaltery Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 They should be afraid of finding me. I might give them pamphlets. 1 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Deakins Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 27 minutes ago, Henri Beauchamp said: Second, with some ISPs, you may ask for a static IPv4 (useful if your run your own server(s) at home). In this case, your IP is also always the same until you change your ISP. I have one of those. All it cost is a one-off payment of £5. Nothing more to pay ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid Nagy Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 (edited) If you are really scared that they can find out your home adress in RL: VPN is your best friend. But so far nobody ever stood on my doorstep unsolicited by following my IP adress and I have the same one for over 4 years already (not using VPN either). Edited February 3 by Sid Nagy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmeliaJ08 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 (edited) Even if I had a static IP (I don't) the geolocation isn't much use, I have tried it and the POP is in a city 100 miles away so that's as close as I can be located by any pleb. Of course the ISP can tie IPs to actual physical addresses but that's the ISP, geolocation just gives the point where your ISP's network joins the wider internet. Edited February 3 by AmeliaJ08 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiritSparrow Skydancer Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 Isn’t it the MAC address you should be worried about? And if you have enabled network sharing? However one reason I do not use discord (reminds me of IRC) is your IP is seen by everyone. So I do not tie my SL to discord if I can help it. But after seeing their lack of seriousness about protecting children I got no use … nvm a diff subject. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysistrata Szapira Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 I only had a static IP with my internet provider when I had a business account (at a higher cost). When I canceled the business account and went back to personal, I went back to a dynamic IP. As often as my router and modem need rebooting, snoops would have a lot of work to do to keep up with my IP, and I'm NOT that interesting. Besides, if anyone wants to visit me, they'll have to get past 3 loud, bitey dogs and a slightly less bitey fiance who loves guns. The cats are ambivalent. Now if a person is dumb enough to give out their cell phone number to strangers, there's an amazing amount of information that can be obtained if one is willing to fork out some cash. I was talking to a person online whom I didn't quite trust for a while, and by the time I finished my background check on him (this was over 15 years ago), I even knew where his parents lived and that he had a pending lawsuit against him from his HOA. I even found out where he went to church the whole time he was cheating on his wife. I didn't use any of the information I found against him though. Karma caught up to him eventually. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 Doesn't merely using a VPN get around the problem of your IP being known? Plus, you can use a "free" VPN.. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Istelathis Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 49 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said: Doesn't merely using a VPN get around the problem of your IP being known? Plus, you can use a "free" VPN.. I think it would, I would use one for SL but I worry that it might trigger a voodoo security system based upon recycled IPs used by griefers, and I would find myself banned from a lot of parcels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 4 minutes ago, Istelathis said: I think it would, I would use one for SL but I worry that it might trigger a voodoo security system based upon recycled IPs used by griefers, and I would find myself banned from a lot of parcels. Since I think the general advice is to use a VPN - for all kinds of reasons, not just for SL ..and since I did have not read about a lot of people in the Forums with that issue.. ..I hope your fears are unfounded. I don't travel much so..(but I also don't use a VPN much unless Norton or my Windows is turning one on and I did not notice). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Istelathis Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 3 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said: Since I think the general advice is to use a VPN - for all kinds of reasons, not just for SL ..and since I did have not read about a lot of people in the Forums with that issue.. ..I hope your fears are unfounded. I don't travel much so..(but I also don't use a VPN much unless Norton or my Windows is turning one on and I did not notice). I believe it can be if you use things like sploders https://voodoo.community/en/help/general-information/why-am-i-bannned-by-voodoo/ Quote You were using some anon service during activities with verification Anonymizing services like proxy or VPN are NOT allowed when using voodoo services. Please make sure your proxies are turned off before using Voodoo services to avoid problems. If you are using a mobile device, it needs to be connected to your home WIFI. Roaming WIFI is a proxy and will be banned. (Proxy users are suspected in using multiple avatars or in aiming to attack our services so we have to stop such) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 2 minutes ago, Istelathis said: You were using some anon service during activities with verification Anonymizing services like proxy or VPN are NOT allowed when using voodoo services. Please make sure your proxies are turned off before using Voodoo services to avoid problems. That is absolutely ridiculous. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PheebyKatz Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceka Cianci Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 3 hours ago, Love Zhaoying said: Doesn't merely using a VPN get around the problem of your IP being known? Plus, you can use a "free" VPN.. Mine shows Gotham City.. I thought that was the most awesome thing when I first got my VPN. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PheebyKatz Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 (edited) 4 hours ago, SpiritSparrow Skydancer said: Isn’t it the MAC address you should be worried about? And if you have enabled network sharing? However one reason I do not use discord (reminds me of IRC) is your IP is seen by everyone. So I do not tie my SL to discord if I can help it. But after seeing their lack of seriousness about protecting children I got no use … nvm a diff subject. Even MAC addresses get recycled by neighborhood. It's how some people (myself totally excluded, of course) used to hack cable modems, using someone's MAC address from an adjoining neighborhood (provided the person with that MAC address had cable) to steal internet. If you used one in your own area of service, it would bump the actual customer offline, lol. Edited February 4 by PheebyKatz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 1 minute ago, PheebyKatz said: Even MAC addresses get recycled by neighborhood. It's how some people (myself totally excluded, of course) used to hack cable modems, using someone's MAC address from an adjoining neighborhood (provided the person with that MAC address had cable). I am confused, I thought the applicable MAC address was theoretically the MAC address of your PC's "network card"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PheebyKatz Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 2 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said: I am confused, I thought the applicable MAC address was theoretically the MAC address of your PC's "network card"? Ah, in this case, probably. I totally forgot about that. Yeah, that's kinda like cameras and EXIF data. Better safe than sorry, if you can be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriele Graves Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 On the subject of static IPs. I also had one for many years and went back to dynamic when I changed ISP a few years ago. The GeoIP information for the static IP would still have been absolutely useless to anyone trying to locate my address. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmeliaJ08 Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 13 hours ago, SpiritSparrow Skydancer said: Isn’t it the MAC address you should be worried about? And if you have enabled network sharing? However one reason I do not use discord (reminds me of IRC) is your IP is seen by everyone. So I do not tie my SL to discord if I can help it. But after seeing their lack of seriousness about protecting children I got no use … nvm a diff subject. The MAC address of your network adapter is just a string of numbers/letters that are unique but are not tied to any personal information specifically, on its own and with no other access to any databases a MAC address is of no use to a third party as far as identifying you. Linden Lab do use MAC addresses and Hardware ID's generated from other sources to link accounts however so I suppose technically they probably have a link between any private information you have provided to them and your MAC address. This is just something they do though, it is not something that an outsider has access to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 Gentle suggestion, if you are too scared, perhaps go outside and "touch grass". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 12 hours ago, PheebyKatz said: Ah, in this case, probably. I totally forgot about that. Yeah, that's kinda like cameras and EXIF data. Better safe than sorry, if you can be. True. My point is, unless I missed something the MAC address is YOUR MAC address, not your provider's (whether it's your PC's MAC address, your modem's, etc.). 🙂 Any networked device has a MAC address, that's how they identify themselves uniquely on the network. I'm dumb so far as "obvious tech" goes, I'm just a lowly Application Developer Specialist: "an old programmer" lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PheebyKatz Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 5 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said: True. My point is, unless I missed something the MAC address is YOUR MAC address, not your provider's (whether it's your PC's MAC address, your modem's, etc.). 🙂 Any networked device has a MAC address, that's how they identify themselves uniquely on the network. I'm dumb so far as "obvious tech" goes, I'm just a lowly Application Developer Specialist: "an old programmer" lol If it's your modem's, rest assured, someone 20 miles away has the same one. They recycle them by service area, and there are only so many. As for the PC's, well, no idea. I'd assume actual computers themselves had a wider range available, and would be more unique, and a different sort of thing, just under the same familiar name, because it's used for the same purpose. Either way yeah, always play it safe to the best of your ability. Just don't let fear ruin it all for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 (edited) 3 minutes ago, PheebyKatz said: If it's your modem's, rest assured, someone 20 miles away has the same one. They recycle them by service area, MAC addresses are unique, they are part of the hardware's signature. I guarantee you. It's like GUID's/UUID's! You could be thinking of IP addresses..? Edited February 4 by Love Zhaoying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PheebyKatz Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said: MAC addresses are unique, they are part of the hardware's signature. I guarantee you. It's like GUID's/UUID's! You could be thinking of IP addresses..? To hack the modem, you assigned it a MAC address that was already in use by a customer's modem. You had to modify the hardware, it was a "hack". All I know is companies lie about things, and they tend to reuse a lot of things, and it made it possible for me, I mean, for people I knew, to get free internet at one point. It saved a life, no regrets. And it involved scanning a nearby neighborhood that was not in the same service area, for technical reasons of not getting caught because if the paying customer whose MAC address was being used was in the same service area, they could bust you. They were recycling numerical sequences (or whatever the heck it all really is) because it was convenient, and this made it possible to exploit them. For a while. And yeah, they wouldn't tell everyone something that could be exploited. Even doctors lie. It's part of business, keeping vulnerabilities secret by lying and withholding information. If it was bulldooky, then I someone was hallucinating having an internet connection. Either way, it's irrelevant in this case, I just saw the words "MAC address" and it triggered the memory by association, it was not me trying to start a metaphorical peeing contest. I'm too old and pheeble to compete in those, and my data is old. TL;DR: I'm still right, but it wasn't really relevant. If I could go back and not post it I would, because it's caused a Pheeby/Love tangent, and those are scold-worthy sometimes. Let's get me to sleep and let the thread get back on track. *hugs and goes nini, before the sun can come up, and before it turns into yet another wall of text, after already saying TL;DR:* Edited February 4 by PheebyKatz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriele Graves Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 MAC addresses can be changed. This can be a one time change or randomized as an option on all major operating systems right now. The hardware MAC address is increasing becoming much less important than it has been historically. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Beauchamp Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 (edited) 19 hours ago, SpiritSparrow Skydancer said: Isn’t it the MAC address you should be worried about? The MAC address is not part of the data transmitted via IP packets. The MAC address is only relevant to neighbours (i.e. only the last router in the route to the the site you are connecting to would see its MAC address revealed to the computer serving that site), via the ARP mechanism (used to build routing tables from one router to its neighbours). 19 hours ago, SpiritSparrow Skydancer said: And if you have enabled network sharing? If you mean Netbios windoze traffic, it would be blocked by the first router or firewall on the outbound route to Internet (this is for use on a local network only and is not a routable protocol, unless you purposely encapsulate it between two poles). If you mean SMB, and even though it can use TCP/IP, here again most firewalls (the ones that are properly configured, at least) will block it. In any case, it won't reveal your MAC address either beyond your immediate neighbouring router (which belongs to your ISP). As for SL's usage of your MAC address, it is transmitted among the viewer stats by the viewer (over an HTTPS connection), but no one else than SL admins can see it either. Edited February 4 by Henri Beauchamp 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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