What would LL do if Amazon ever baned ALL adult content from its servers?

[BilliJo Aldrin]

21 minutes ago, Sid Nagy said:

SL's existence in a way hampers the development of new virtual world software IMHO, indeed because of all the user generated content, but when it has to close it's gates for whatever reason, that argument is no longer valid.

New developers could start from scratch in that case, do things differently, use the latest techniques, leave out the SL flaws (and create new ones, no doubt about that too).
Most SL creators can jump on the next train, they have the knowledge and creativity to make stuff.

Yes but will they have a market? I've spent hundreds of dollars US (way over a thousand, maybe close to 2000) in here since 2010. Close SL, I'd be like ok, it was fun, but I'm not starting over.

Actually, counting all the tier and premium membership, its probably 4 thou

😁

Edited January 18 by BilliJo Aldrin
fixed the total

[Sid Nagy]

20 minutes ago, BilliJo Aldrin said:

Yes but will they have a market? I've spent hundreds of dollars US (way over a thousand, maybe close to 2000) in here since 2010. Close SL, I'd be like ok, it was fun, but I'm not starting over.

😁

I think there is a market. Many things could and should be done totally different IMHO, but there is a market. Of course it will have to grow again. Linden World didn't have the tons of users SL has today  within a few weeks either.

But just dream a few minutes about how different you personally would make a new world, what would be different? What would be the same?
It is very easy to get enthusiastic about that, at least I do and no doubt far more creative minds in the industry would do so too then. They all know the amazingly successful run of SL despite all the complaining we and others do about all kind of everything that is wrong (?) with SL.
If I were in the gaming industry I'd give an arm and a leg for a game that stays that long profitable and affloat. Two decades ago online gaming was still in the prehistoric stages (look at our sim crossing flaw).

There are millions out there that once tried SL but did not really found what they expected and called it a day again. Snd even more who never heard of SL ever.
So there is potential enough for a SL successor IMHO, but not likely as long as SL can keep their gates open to the public.

Edited January 18 by Sid Nagy

[BilliJo Aldrin]

2 minutes ago, Sid Nagy said:

I think there is a market. Many things could and should be done totally different IMHO, but there is a market. Of course it will have to grow again. Linden World didn't have the tons of users SL has today  within a few weeks either.

But just dream a few minutes about how different you personally would make a new world, what would be different? What would be the same?
It is very easy to get enthusiastic about that, at least I do and no doubt far more creative minds in the industry would do so too then. They all know the amazingly successful run of SL despite all the complaining about all kind of everything that is wrong (?) with SL.
If I were in the gaming industry I'd give an arm and a leg for a game that stays that long profitable and affloat. Two decades ago online gaming was still in the prehistoric stages (look at our sim crossing flaw).

I doubt in any new platform, grubby ancient prims will be allowed to exist. And do you allow user generated content, and will the new platform have to reload every scene every time it comes into view? If yes and yes, you end up with the same lag fest that is SL.

I doubt there will be the creative freedom there is here. This is the peak, the epitome, as good as it gets.

Anything that comes after will just be playing dress up dolls in a preloaded world.

Pass pass and pass

 

[Sid Nagy]

16 minutes ago, BilliJo Aldrin said:

Anything that comes after will just be playing dress up dolls in a preloaded world.

Second life is heading towards "A Barbie World In Bellisseria" for years already. Everyone can see that it is the real grow market in SL at the moment. The inworld building tools are no longer really relevant for the success of SL for many residents.
Why do you think LL has burned tons of money to get us a mirror?
Mirror, mirror on the wall ........

A new SL-like world would leave a lot of oldbies behind, including me for sure as well, but that would not mean a certain disastrous failure for a newly starting world. 

When I retired as a teacher in RL, the education system in NL didn't collapse either.
Who would have thought?

Edited January 18 by Sid Nagy

[Zalificent Corvinus]

48 minutes ago, BilliJo Aldrin said:

Yes but will they have a market? I've spent hundreds of dollars US (way over a thousand, maybe close to 2000) in here since 2010. Close SL, I'd be like ok, it was fun, but I'm not starting over.

And so Sansar DIES, RIP pathetic waste of time effort and money...

13 minutes ago, Sid Nagy said:

A new SL-like world would leave a lot of oldbies behind, including me for sure as well, but that would not mean a certain disastrous failure for a newly starting world. 

I heard that before, wonder where?

Oh yeah!

And so Sansar DIES, RIP pathetic waste of time effort and money...

 

[Sid Nagy]

15 minutes ago, Zalificent Corvinus said:

And so Sansar DIES, RIP pathetic waste of time effort and money...

I heard that before, wonder where?

Oh yeah!

And so Sansar DIES, RIP pathetic waste of time effort and money...

 

Sansar had the big disadvantage that SL was still alive and kicking, when it was released. And it had not the right usability in every field, that are main selling points for SL. And on top of that the makers of Sansar forgot all about the KISS method for their potential users.

My posts where about the future for a new platform after SL would somehow have to close their gates (like when Amazon.....).

Edited January 18 by Sid Nagy

[Love Zhaoying]

1 hour ago, Sid Nagy said:

New developers could start from scratch in that case, do things differently, use the latest techniques, leave out the SL flaws (and create new ones, no doubt about that too).

We'll see, the most newsworthy new recent virtual worlds didn't exactly take off, and they had plenty of promotion / advertising, and the potential users didn't necessarily know about SL for a comparison..

 

[Sid Nagy]

25 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

We'll see, the most newsworthy new recent virtual worlds didn't exactly take off, and they had plenty of promotion / advertising, and the potential users didn't necessarily know about SL for a comparison..

 

Maybe there isn't enough room for more worlds like SL but in a case when SL has to stop, I think there might be.
But of course no guaranties that every attempt will be a success.

It would be tricky. It would need enough of SL to lure in it's then homeless userbase by the droves and be appealing enough to attract new ones. A lot of thinking out of the box needed.

[BilliJo Aldrin]

21 minutes ago, Sid Nagy said:

Maybe there isn't enough room for more worlds like SL but in a case when SL has to stop, I think there might be.
But of course no guaranties that every attempt will be a success.

It would be tricky. It would need enough of SL to lure in it's then homeless userbase by the droves and be appealing enough to attract new ones. A lot of thinking out of the box needed.

And legs… the avatars need to have legs. Zuckerguy thought he could escape from the problem of people having sex on his virtual world, by his worlds avatars ( actually his were cartoons) having no body below mid torso. It didnt save him though, people were still complaining about being molested.

😂

[BilliJo Aldrin]

1 hour ago, Sid Nagy said:

Sansar had the big disadvantage that SL was still alive and kicking, when it was released. And it had not the right usability in every field, that are main selling points for SL. And on top of that the makers of Sansar forgot all about the KISS method for their potential users.

My posts where about the future for a new platform after SL would somehow have to close their gates (like when Amazon.....).

Sansar was a solution in search of a problem. It was merely a platform where others could create their own virtual worlds…. think Coca Cola and car commercials.

Thats all it was good for. 

[BilliJo Aldrin]

1 hour ago, Sid Nagy said:

Second life is heading towards "A Barbie World In Bellisseria" for years already. Everyone can see that it is the real grow market in SL at the moment. The inworld building tools are no longer really relevant for the success of SL for many residents.
Why do you think LL has burned tons of money to get us a mirror?
Mirror, mirror on the wall ........

A new SL-like world would leave a lot of oldbies behind, including me for sure as well, but that would not mean a certain disastrous failure for a newly starting world. 

When I retired as a teacher in RL, the education system in NL didn't collapse either.
Who would have thought?

Gawd yes, i so need a mirror, I get tired of looking at the back of my head all the time.

😂

[QuietEventide]

I'm thinking a lot of things have just become too complicated  for many.
That's not limited to SL only.

I looked (briefly) at upcoming life simulators like "Life By You" (Paradox, development team led by Rod Humble) and Inzio (based on Unreal5). They might draw some ex-SL users in. Particularly those who found SL too complex initially and gave up after a week. I might give them a try if/when they are released. 

Personally I've spent more time in Stardew Valley than in SL lately.

Speaking as "any ordinary person", I find Stardew Valley very rewarding and it has not drained my finances.
It looks so very simple on the surface but has a very good framework/background story and enormous depth.
Whether one feels 'immersed' or not is highly dependent on the users themselves.

There's even a little bit of "Moderate" content - Marnie sleeping around with Mayor Lewis, Pierre having his "secret stash" of whatever that might be...  

 

[Sid Nagy]

33 minutes ago, BilliJo Aldrin said:

And legs… the avatars need to have legs. Zuckerguy thought he could escape from the problem of people having sex on his virtual world, by his worlds avatars ( actually his were cartoons) having no body below mid torso. It didnt save him though, people were still complaining about being molested.

😂

If a company outside the US would run the show, sex would not be so much of a problem as it is now in the USA.
Not all countries have that high standard double morals

 

[QuietEventide]

6 hours ago, Sid Nagy said:

...sex would not be so much of a problem...

 

[UnilWay SpiritWeaver]

What is the likelihood of something like this...

I feel like it's like worrying about what to do after the sky falls. The odds are just not worth worrying about.

amazon's store and prime has a LOT of adult content beyond SL. It's even a thriving place for erotica authors to self publish.

SL does allow some things not allowed elsewhere - rather graphic mixes of sex and violence for example. But if the banhammer came down on those things less than a handful of active users would feel any impact.

 

[JUSTUS Palianta]

If SL took away sex we could always go play some kind of sexy time game and then come back to SL and create stuff.  A lot of people are already doing that.

Also i am not sure it would affect the people who are using SL as tinder because they are using Discord to talk and sexy time anyway and they want a RL sexy time or wife.

SL might survive as a game of playing barbie & making friends.

 

[Krystina Ferraris]

⬆️Exactly that, SL is a Barbie dress up game, not Tinder. RL apps are there for meeting, playing and sexying if you want to.

[BilliJo Aldrin]

11 hours ago, JUSTUS Palianta said:

If SL took away sex we could always go play some kind of sexy time game and then come back to SL and create stuff.  A lot of people are already doing that.

Also i am not sure it would affect the people who are using SL as tinder because they are using Discord to talk and sexy time anyway and they want a RL sexy time or wife.

SL might survive as a game of playing barbie & making friends.

 

LOL if there was no sex in SL, it might as well just fold. Right of the bat Zindra would be lost, and all those people creating sex stuff.. lost

It would only be a question of how long before LL gave up and pulled the plug.

And it would never have happened if LL had kept their own server farm.

😂

 

Edited January 19 by BilliJo Aldrin
added stuff

[JUSTUS Palianta]

It wouldn't be the first time linden changed SL with total disregard to business.  Just look at adult land and linden homes and all the land barons it affected.   I remember those days and the panic it caused, and all the sims that closed.  I don't think linden cares if we can't sell our creations anymore look at the state of the marketplace lately.  It could possibly happen even if linden owns there own servers and there investors request it.

One thing i have learned since 2007, SL is always changing.  

[Gabriele Graves]

What if there was suddenly no more internet?  What if societal collapse happens?  What if Mark Zuckerberg buys out LL?  What if Rabid Monkeys take over the grid?

The list is endless and pointless to worry about (sorry to the OP).

Enjoy your SL, don't risk anymore than you can afford to lose here (or anywhere in fact) and don't worry about tomorrow too much.

Edited January 19 by Gabriele Graves

[BilliJo Aldrin]

53 minutes ago, Gabriele Graves said:

What if there was suddenly no more internet?  What if societal collapse happens?  What if Mark Zuckerberg buys out LL?  What if Rabid Monkeys take over the grid?

The list is endless and pointless to worry about (sorry to the OP).

Enjoy your SL, don't risk anymore than you can afford to lose here (or anywhere in fact) and don't worry about tomorrow too much.

Eat drink and be merry, for tomorrow we die 😂

If Zucker bought Second Life, I’ll be the first one out the door.

The point of the question was despite what LL, and people in here claim, SL runs on sex. If sex was banned by Amazon, would LL ban all sex in SL?

How long would SL last before it started losing money and LL shut it down.

The time would be measured in weeks 😂

[Sid Nagy]

3 hours ago, BilliJo Aldrin said:

LOL if there was no sex in SL, it might as well just fold. Right of the bat Zindra would be lost, and all those people creating sex stuff.. lost

It would only be a question of how long before LL gave up and pulled the plug.

And it would never have happened if LL had kept their own server farm.

😂

 

The sex ban from Amazon would never come overnight. They have to give notice a fair time ahead of implementing the new rules.
There are other cloud hosting companies all over the world that would love to take over doing business with Linden Lab on a short notice.
I don't see the problem in that case.
 

Edited January 19 by Sid Nagy
A little clarification of my text.

[Gabriele Graves]

43 minutes ago, BilliJo Aldrin said:

The point of the question was despite what LL, and people in here claim, SL runs on sex. If sex was banned by Amazon, would LL ban all sex in SL?

How long would SL last before it started losing money and LL shut it down.

The time would be measured in weeks 😂

You pose the question and then answer it as well.  Sorry, still pointless in my opinion.

[Love Zhaoying]

1 hour ago, BilliJo Aldrin said:

Eat drink and be merry, for tomorrow we die 😂

If Zucker bought Second Life, I’ll be the first one out the door.

The point of the question was despite what LL, and people in here claim, SL runs on sex. If sex was banned by Amazon, would LL ban all sex in SL?

How long would SL last before it started losing money and LL shut it down.

The time would be measured in weeks 😂

Gosh, you had better leave now, before the rush!

Maybe there is a lack of understanding on the word "if", and hypothetical situations.

If sex was banned on  Amazon, LL would leave Amazon.

Next dumb question? (I don't assume you know what a "facetious" question is.)

 

Edited January 19 by Love Zhaoying

[Aiyumei]

On 1/18/2024 at 11:04 AM, BilliJo Aldrin said:

LOL Amazon doesn't have to look at encrypted data. They merely need to have someone from Amazon log in, see all the degeneracy and perversity rampant in Second Life, and say whoa, we aren't going to be associated with such filth. LL, clean up your act, or we will boot you from our servers.

😂

They can do the same with pornhub. Where do you think they host their data and services?