So, people can break into your house, while you're home, and engage in a sexual act right in front of you? Is this a thing on SL?

[Scylla Rhiadra]

1 minute ago, MishaC25 said:

But she told me it can be done. She even told me she I could go with her while she does it. She said it's fun. 🤷‍♀️

Nope. It's not possible unless you've been given permissions to take it.

Shortly after I first started here, I met a guy who wanted to teach me how to *cough cough* "emote." One of the things that he told me was that there was a "special" way of emoting known to only a few -- like "magic words" or something -- that could actually kill an avatar.

Needless to say, that's totally BS. The thing is, I think he was being entirely sincere. I think he believed it.

[MishaC25]

Love Zhaoying,

Ok.  that's good to know.

Edited November 19, 2018 by MishaC25

[Love Zhaoying]

7 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

One of the things that he told me was that there was a "special" way of emoting known to only a few -- like "magic words" or something -- that could actually kill an avatar.

Needless to say, that's totally BS. The thing is, I think he was being entirely sincere. I think he believed it.

I can see how this works. 1. Creeper says “magic words”. 2. Other avatar TP’s away and blocks. 3. Creeper: “Zomg!!1!! I killed ‘em!”

*Edit* Your rumor is almost good enough to ressurect the “rumors” thread!

Edited November 19, 2018 by Love Zhaoying

[Scylla Rhiadra]

6 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

I can see how this works. 1. Creeper says “magic words”. 2. Other avatar TP’s away and blocks. 3. Creeper: “Zomg!!1!! I killed ‘em!”

He was kind of a sweetheart, but a bit clueless. He did these "para emotes" or whatever you call it, where each emote was a loooooong detailed description of what was happening and what he was doing. The problem was, he was an awfully slow typist, so each of his emotes took like 3 minutes to arrive. Zzzzzzzzzzz

He told me he was a high end male escort. If so, I hope he copied and pasted his part in the dialogue, because otherwise his clients would have been asleep before he'd got as far as laying in the bed next to them.

[chibiusa Ling]

2 hours ago, Phorumities said:

even though of the worthies in here

Congrats Phorumities, you actually just broke me when I read this. That is the best phrase I have read today and so damn accurate.

[Love Zhaoying]

2 hours ago, Madelaine McMasters said:

The next time you witness people canoodling on your friend's furniture, offer to provide real time commentary on their performance.

“Next up, Cowgirl!” “Now, swap!” “You call that proper alignment?” “Ruth wore it better!”

[Coby Foden]

I'm always wondering about this "security" thing. Nobody can harm us physically in any way in SL, they cannot take our stuff, they cannot move our items.

My parcel is open for anybody to visit. If I'm not there it doesn't matter at all if somebody visits there. If I'm there and happen to want to be alone at the moment I can ask any possible visitors to leave and say "come back later if you want to". If they don't leave when asked then I can "kindly help" them to leave. 😉

Then there is my near neighbour's parcel; group access only, avatar's in the parcel not seen outside the parcel. Very high, not nice looking, forest texture walls all around the parcel. All they can "admire" in their small parcel are those textured high walls close to their noses. (°. o)  I would feel like a prisoner in that parcel. 😧  I want to see the world around my place without any self erected obstacles. I do understand the walls in such case if a neighbour has some ugly builds in their place what are not pleasant to stare at. But in out in the open without any ugly builds in sight why to wall oneself in? Hmm...

Well, people have different likes. Anyway in many places the general scene would look much nicer without the walls around parcels.

[Sandy Schnook]

1 hour ago, Love Zhaoying said:

Not possible.

Actually I had this happen to me my first year.  Some guy settled his flying carpet over my house and made off with a lot of my things.  I and the 3 friends who were with me at the time ARed immediately and a couple of Lindens even came to my place to try to get my stuff back.  Fortunately his carpet got stuck not far away.  He was using some kind of hacked script we think.  I was told they had simultaneously tracked him on more then one sim even while he was stuck. They were able to retrieve most of my stuff, but none of my no-copy items.  12 years later I still even remember the persons name.  I know they were banned immediately, and I can't find them now in search.  Thankfully that's gotten harder for idiots to do since then.

[Love Zhaoying]

5 minutes ago, Sandy Schnook said:

Actually I had this happen to me my first year.  Some guy settled his flying carpet over my house and made off with a lot of my things.  I and the 3 friends who were with me at the time ARed immediately and a couple of Lindens even came to my place to try to get my stuff back.  Fortunately his carpet got stuck not far away.  He was using some kind of hacked script we think.  I was told they had simultaneously tracked him on more then one sim even while he was stuck. They were able to retrieve most of my stuff, but none of my no-copy items.  12 years later I still even remember the persons name.  I know they were banned immediately, and I can't find them now in search.  Thankfully that's gotten harder for idiots to do since then.

Hmm, note that just because it was possible 12 years ago to “take” (not copy) someone’s items, doesn’t mean it is still possible today.

[Phorumities]

1 hour ago, MishaC25 said:

I'm definitely not going to be THAT person. I'll tell you why I did that, but before I do, I just want to let you know fwiw, that I've belonged to an online forum for over a decade, and I still post there. In ALL the years I've been on there I never once reported anyone, and again fwiw, no one ever reported me, nor have I ever gotten a warning. The reason I reported this couple, is because I talked to someone just hours before, who's been on SL for a decade. She was great!  She showed me a lot of different places that I would've never seen, and she helped me with a few other things like my settings that have greatly improved my experiences on SL.. Anyway, during our conversation she mentioned that people can and do break into people's homes and steal their stuff. That got into my head. And it stayed there. lol Naturally, it was the first thing I thought about when this couple broke in. I was concerned they were going to steal all my friends furniture when they were done getting off. My friend and I are brand new here and we didn't have the knowledge at the time to stop them. Reporting them was not my first choice. I could look back at the chat log to see how long I asked this couple to leave, but it was a long time. It wasn't at all like I saw them and immediately hit the report button. That's not how I am, nor will it ever be.

They disappeared right after being reported. If you had to guess, do you think the people in charge immediately booted them or do you think it's more likely that they decided to leave after hearing I reported them?

they probably left because you said you reported them. 

As others have said, its not possible to takes someone elses stuff.

However its possible to leave stuff if the land is set so that anyone can rezz.

I have a couple of harmless prims I sometimes leave behind on my travels around Second Life.

Just yesterday I grafittied a memorial statue.

Land permissions are very important, One must make sure they are set correctly.

😁

[Skell Dagger]

7 hours ago, MishaC25 said:

Well, the next thing we know she and and a male avatar that was not visible at the window come right in like they owned the place!  They go right over to my friend's couch, and immediately she begins to perform a sex act on her lover. I was stunned at their comfort level of breaking in. It was as if they walked in their own private living room. I was part pissed at the rudeness, but inwardly amused at their mischievousness. My friend couldn't see them because his settings are messed up, so I told them to leave, at least 5 times. She ignored me and kept texting me "hi" or "ok" but they never left. I did report both of them. Soon after they both disappeared.

If your friend is using the Firestorm viewer and he couldn't see the other avatar, it's likely that he has View Friends Only set in his viewer. Tell him to check the World menu, and he'll find that at the very bottom.

1. If sex furniture has to be rezzed in a home, make sure it's one that the owner can set to Group Only or Owner Only. Remember to change the settings for both Menu Users and (pose)Ball Users. If it's set to Group Only and you are a member of the group, you can wear your group tag and either change the poses, unseat the avatars, or even stop the furniture's poses altogether (which would also unseat them). If you really want to mess with at least the guy's head (assuming it's a hetero couple) then you can also switch the poses so that she's hammering away at him. A lot of guys aren't really fond of that and he'll probably jump off the bed faster than he jumped onto it

2. Both you and your friend should familiarise yourselves with the privacy options in SL. There is no real 100% privacy here, but we have been given tools to use to the best of our ability, including (but not limited to) -

• Setting the land so that people on outside parcels cannot see the avatars inside. (Although they can still see the green dots on the minimap that show someone is in the building).
• Combine the above with an access list so that people not on that list can't even get onto the parcel. Be aware that this will create unsightly banlines for your neighbours, so - if you get along with them - the neighbourly thing to do would be to send them an IM or notecard explaining why the banlines are going up. Banlines will stop people from getting onto the entire parcel.

3. The owner of the land has every right to eject and ban without needing to ask someone to leave. If the land is rented, the person renting should check with their landlord to find out the extent of their powers. Since those people were rude enough to just barge in and start banging on someone else's bed, they rescinded their right to any politeness in return.

4. Your friend doesn't need to see people in order to ban them (assuming you don't have any rez or parcel rights). You just needed to give him their names, then he could have gone into the land settings and banned them that way.

5. If your friend has granted you edit rights on his objects and/or rez rights on his land you could have done one of several fun things:

• Picked up the bed and spun it wildly around the room. Maybe finishing off by sticking it upside down on the ceiling, halfway up the wall, on top of the roof, or underground.
• Taken the bed into your inventory (check its properties first, to make sure it's not a No Copy bed). This will have left the intruders copulating in thin air, since the scripts would still be running.
• Rezzed an invisible prim containing a thick billowing smoke script under the bed, so that they can't get off IRL on seeing their pixels banging in SL.

6. Your friend can also get a security orb that will eject anyone not on the allowed list. He should make sure to read the settings thoroughly and set it up properly, or he may end up ejecting neighbours from parts of their own parcel (which happened to me when an overzealous neighbour's orb kept ejecting me and my partner from about one third of our neighbouring home). Try to find one that's restricted to the owner's parcel only.

1 hour ago, MishaC25 said:

during our conversation she mentioned that people can and do break into people's homes and steal their stuff. That got into my head.

1 hour ago, MishaC25 said:

She told me it can be done. She even told me I could go with her while she does it.

People cannot break into your house and steal things. Not in the sense of actually taking them so you no longer have them. Any old exploits that took advantage of that should have long since been patched, and if you're made aware of a new exploit it should be reported to Linden Lab so they can patch it ASAP. In order for anyone in Second Life to 'take' your objects you have to give them express permission - by name - to do so. What that "someone who has been on SL for a decade" was probably referring to was, as Love said, 'Copybot'. Using a Copybot viewer on Second Life is against the Terms of Service, and - had you accompanied that person while she stole items using it - her use of it while you were with her may have got you into serious trouble.

1 hour ago, MishaC25 said:

She said it's fun. 🤷‍♀️

Her idea of fun is actually thieving someone else's hard work, and I'm sure you don't want to support that.

Edited November 19, 2018 by Skell Dagger

[Phorumities]

4 hours ago, Qie Niangao said:

I consider this a feature, not a bug.

I do all I can to encourage intruders across SL by leaving all my land open at all times, with lots of adult click-to-sit targets strewn in unlikely spots.

On PG land, using adult furniture is against ToS, but I'm not even present at the time so it's Not My Problem.

On Adult parcels, hey, it's a free show.

Folks tend to sext in IM, not open chat nor public voice, so it's up to the voyeur to supply the dialog. With a sufficiently pervy imagination, the Mute button is porn's best accessory.

(All of which is to say that "My friend had no idea who she was" and "My friend couldn't see them because his settings are messed up" seems... convenient.)

I don't believe in security orbs but on my one parcel which is a  public park i have a hornets nest high up in a tree. It scans 30 m every 30 seconds. I'll be standing somewhere on the parcel and all at once I'll hear them swarm out and attack. I just laugh and think ooops got another one. They just push the person to the parcel boundary.

Sometimes i forget its there and tp a friend in without adding them to the safe list.

 

[animats]

6 hours ago, Cindy Evanier said:

they can cam right inside anyway and just sit on the furniture

Is there any good reason that sitting is allowed while the camera is not at the avatar location? What's the use case to justify that?

[Phorumities]

30 minutes ago, Coby Foden said:

I'm always wondering about this "security" thing. Nobody can harm us physically in any way in SL, they cannot take our stuff, they cannot move our items.

My parcel is open for anybody to visit. If I'm not there it doesn't matter at all if somebody visits there. If I'm there and happen to want to be alone at the moment I can ask any possible visitors to leave and say "come back later if you want to". If they don't leave when asked then I can "kindly help" them to leave. 😉

Then there is my near neighbour's parcel; group access only, avatar's in the parcel not seen outside the parcel. Very high, not nice looking, forest texture walls all around the parcel. All they can "admire" in their small parcel are those textured high walls close to their noses. (°. o)  I would feel like a prisoner in that parcel. 😧  I want to see the world around my place without any self erected obstacles. I do understand the walls in such case if a neighbour has some ugly builds in their place what are not pleasant to stare at. But in out in the open without any ugly builds in sight why to wall oneself in? Hmm...

Well, people have different likes. Anyway in many places the general scene would look much nicer without the walls around parcels.

my attitude has always been your build is my backdrop. I totally agree, if someone is gonna wall themselves in why not just have a skybox, that way everyone is happier.

[Phorumities]

3 minutes ago, animats said:

Is there any good reason that sitting is allowed while the camera is not at the avatar location? What's the use case to justify that?

yes, it saves having to walk halfway across the sim when double click to tp brings you back to the set tp point.

[animats]

2 minutes ago, Phorumities said:

yes, it saves having to walk halfway across the sim when double click to tp brings you back to the set tp point.

The walk will do you good. It makes the space of the world real.

I have double click to teleport turned off, and think it was a terrible feature.

[Bebe Bunny]

I never had that kind of luck 😞

[Donna Underall]

People coming in and using my bed was a thing a while ago, and always feels creepy to me.  I'm not sure how they found it but they did.  Some would not even leave if I walked in on them.  But as so many have already said, get a security orb.  

[Cindy Evanier]

16 minutes ago, animats said:

Is there any good reason that sitting is allowed while the camera is not at the avatar location? What's the use case to justify that?

I don't understand what you mean.  The OP was talking as if the person could only see in because her face was against the window

[Skell Dagger]

24 minutes ago, animats said:

Is there any good reason that sitting is allowed while the camera is not at the avatar location? What's the use case to justify that?

Fully-enclosed skybox that one has just rezzed out. No doorway in, so one either has to cam inside and sit on furniture (assuming it's furnished) or sit on a prim and edit oneself inside. That's one reason I can think of.

[animats]

13 minutes ago, Cindy Evanier said:

I don't understand what you mean.  The OP was talking as if the person could only see in because her face was against the window

You wrote "they can cam right inside anyway and just sit on the furniture ". I argued that shouldn't be allowed.

[animats]

6 minutes ago, Skell Dagger said:

Fully-enclosed skybox that one has just rezzed out. No doorway in, so one either has to cam inside and sit on furniture (assuming it's furnished) or sit on a prim and edit oneself inside. That's one reason I can think of.

To use a skybox, you'll have to set up a landmark so you can teleport in. That's part of setup, not ordinary use. Not something that's done often.

[animats]

Perhaps setting a parcel to "no flying" should mean "real world mode". Can't fly, can't double-click TP, can't cam and sit. Just like RL. And most games. Game regions would probably select that mode.

[Skell Dagger]

Just now, animats said:

To use a skybox, you'll have to set up a landmark so you can teleport in. That's part of setup, not ordinary use. Not something that's done often.

Scenario 2: a teleport that's landed you, flailing, halfway inside a store wall. No way out, except teleporting somewhere else and finagling the teleport point on the map view to land you outside instead before you go back... until you spot a chair by the wall. Right-click-sit and you're out of the wall, can get up, and carry on shopping.

There have been countless times in my 11.5 years in Second Life when I've cam-sat - often halfway across a store to nowhere near me, as that's the only chair I can find - to get myself out of tricky, awkward, or just plain annoying situations. Not one of them has been for nefarious reasons. I fail to see why - just because it's a trick used by the occasional thoughtless idiot to pixel-bump in someone else's home - that option should be taken away from the thousands that use it for the many reasons it's actually useful for.

[Lindal Kidd]

Gosh, you sure are learning about SL the hard way, Misha!

Love is right about stealing and copying.  Nobody can take another person's stuff (unless that person has specifically given them that ability).  This is why, like Qie, I leave my house and land open to visitors.  I don't care if they bounce on my mattress when I'm not there.  If I AM there, then two things can happen.  1) They might apologize politely for trespassing, and we could have a pleasant chat.  I might even get a new friend out of it.  Or, 2) they might yell at me to "get out, this is my house!"  In which case, I can have lots of fun ejecting them and taunting them.

Love is also right that certain (against the Terms of Service) software can illegally copy items.  Theft of intellectual property is reportable through a "DMCA Takedown Notice" to Linden Lab.

Your friend could do several things to prevent trespassers.  You can do these things in your own home, too.

• Set parcel access to a specific group, or only to people on the "allowed" access list
• Install a security orb.  READ THE INSTRUCTIONS!  It's easy to set up an orb that will boot your neighbors out of their own homes, which will not make you any friends!  Be sure the orb is set to only respond to avatars trying to enter your home or land parcel.
• Draw the shades.  This is not as effective as you might think.  People can move their camera point of view inside your walls and look at you, regardless of curtains.  But it's nice just for the appearance of the thing.
• Set the parcel's Privacy feature, in About Land/Options.  (I had you do this last night; good job!)
• Set any sex furniture to "group access only".  Then only members of a specific group can play with it.  It can also be set to "owner only" but normally, you'd want your partner to be able to use the furniture too.
• Right click anyone who does manage to trespass, and select Eject/Ban.  Or go to About Land/Access tab, and add their user name to the banned avatar list.

Sending in an Abuse Report is waaaay overkill for simple trespass.  Use the above tools to control access to your place instead.