FRIDAY QUESTION: Do participants with fewer than 10 posts think before they start threads?

[LlazarusLlong]

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Magnus Brody wrote:

I am pleased that you can now see it is entirely unreasonable to expect

those of less knowledge than yourself

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follow rules that aren't posted anywhere.

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There's a difference between what I expect and what I desire, and being entirely reasonable I shall continue to campaign against the ignorance that I perceive and expect.

The highlighted phrase is redundant of course, as is the comma that follows it.

[Perrie Juran]

Though I am answering in general, I am tagging you for a reason I'll handle at the end of this post.

Llazarus said many things in his post pointing out his perceptions of the shortcomings of many people new to this Forum.  It's a subject that I have, I'll use the phrase "mixed feelings" about.  While on the one hand I sometimes wonder how some people who post questions or start topics here manage to get out of bed in the morning with out injuring themselves, I am not so dogmatic that it deters my enjoyment of this Forum when people don't always get the roses positioned perfectly on the altar.

Mr Llong appears to be on a crusade, chastising  correcting anyone who dares to post a question in GD.  He claims it is because it infringes upon his enjoyment of this Forum.  Quite frankly I don't f*cking believe him.  That is my personal opinion for which I am offering no proof but it is what I believe.  People can make up their own minds based on his posting history and the posting history of his "family" who have posted under other aliases here.   

Will you deny having posted under many other aliases here Mr. Llong?  Will you perjure yourself here?  

But even if I am wrong in this assertion, I feel that Mr. Llong falls into what C.S. Lewis described as the worst kind of tyrant.

"Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."

In closing I did want to respond specifically to one statement that you made:

"...but that it's possible for these same people to believe that “the truth”, “the whole truth”, and “nothing but the truth” are three different things."

There is a reason why it is phrased this way in the Oath.  I don't want to hijack this thread with a long discourse on this but briefly it is this:

The truth -  Means "the Truth"

The whole truth -  Don't omit anything

Nothing but the truth - Don't add anything.

Or maybe as one television detective used to phrase it, "Just the facts Ma'am." 

 

 

[Coby Foden]

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LlazarusLlong wrote:

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Drake1 Nightfire wrote:

And LlazarusLlong responded:

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Yes, it is far more reasonable to expect the Forums themselves should be working effectively and not shunt you to the blogs every time you click a button.

 

It's not every time for me, just once per session, near its commencement, so I am not overly perturbed.

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What has started to happen to me every time and every day.

• From my dashboard I select "Community, Forums" and sign in there.

• Well, after signing in, instead of being directed to the Forums tab, I'm thrown to the Blogs tab. Why?

• Ok, I click the Forums tab and start reading posts.

• Very soon I notice that I'm not signed in any more.

• I sign in again to the Forums and I find myself staring the Blogs. Again! Why?

• I click the Forums tab and search the thread where I was when sign out happened.

• All the posts in that thread are marked as new! Grrr...

• The unwanted sign outs has started to happen even twice while I'm reading the posts.

Something is very broken in the Community sign in process.

And the BUG report is still "Awaiting Review".  :matte-motes-frown:

https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/BUG-8953

[LlazarusLlong]

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Perrie Juran wrote:

  Will you perjure yourself here?  

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Perjury is intentionally lying when you have previously given a commitment to telling the truth. I can recall no requirement in the ToS - or anywhere else on the internet - that requires that commitment. In fact, by demanding that you use an anonymising false name, LL requires you to lie from the getgo.

Philosophically, it would not matter whether I tell the truth or lied, as "I (always/sometimes/never) tell the truth" and "I (always/sometimes/never) lie" are semantically content-free, since unlike Joe Thursday's facts, the statements can not be verified or validated.

[LlazarusLlong]

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Coby Foden wrote:

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LlazarusLlong wrote:

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Drake1 Nightfire wrote:

And LlazarusLlong responded:

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Yes, it is far more reasonable to expect the Forums themselves should be working effectively and not shunt you to the blogs every time you click a button.

 

It's not every time for me, just once per session, near its commencement, so I am not overly perturbed.

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What has started to happen to me

every time

and

every day

.

• From my dashboard I select "Community, Forums" and sign in there.

• Well, after signing in, instead of being directed to the Forums tab, I'm thrown to the Blogs tab. Why?

• Ok, I click the Forums tab and start reading posts.

• Very soon I notice that I'm not signed in any more.

• I sign in again to the Forums and I find myself staring the Blogs. Again! Why?

• I click the Forums tab and search the thread where I was when sign out happened.

• All the posts in that thread are marked as new! Grrr...

• The unwanted sign outs has started to happen even twice while I'm reading the posts.

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Coby, that is EXACTLY what happens to me.

I don't believe it - LL being consistent . . .

[Drake1 Nightfire]

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LlazarusLlong wrote:

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Coby Foden wrote:

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LlazarusLlong wrote:

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Drake1 Nightfire wrote:

And LlazarusLlong responded:

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Yes, it is far more reasonable to expect the Forums themselves should be working effectively and not shunt you to the blogs every time you click a button.

 

It's not every time for me, just once per session, near its commencement, so I am not overly perturbed.

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What has started to happen to me

every time

and

every day

.

• From my dashboard I select "Community, Forums" and sign in there.

• Well, after signing in, instead of being directed to the Forums tab, I'm thrown to the Blogs tab. Why?

• Ok, I click the Forums tab and start reading posts.

• Very soon I notice that I'm not signed in any more.

• I sign in again to the Forums and I find myself staring the Blogs. Again! Why?

• I click the Forums tab and search the thread where I was when sign out happened.

• All the posts in that thread are marked as new! Grrr...

• The unwanted sign outs has started to happen even twice while I'm reading the posts.

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Coby, that is EXACTLY what happens to me.

I don't believe it - LL being consistent . . .

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Fabricational fabricator.. or in laymans terms.. LIAR!!!

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LlazarusLlong wrote:

It's not every time for me, just once per session, near its commencement, so I am not overly perturbed.

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Is it only once or many times, Mr Llong? The truth, please.

[Madelaine McMasters]

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Perrie Juran wrote:

While on the one hand I sometimes wonder how some people who post questions or start topics here manage to get out of bed in the morning with out injuring themselves, I am not so dogmatic that it deters my enjoyment of this Forum when people don't always get the roses positioned perfectly on the altar.

I attribute what some here characterize as "stupidity" or such to a difference of interests. My 20 year old boarder can appear as one of the dumbest creatures I've ever encountered, or one of the brightest. He can't be as dumb as he sometimes appears, nobody can. The world is full of reasonably intelligent people who simply don't share my views, interests or experience, dammit!

As an example of this in reverse, over the years I've (uncomfortably) often observed the following...

• People who don't know me at all think I'm intimidating
• People who know me a li'l think I'm knowledgable
• People who know me well wonder how I get through a day without hurting myself

Mr Llong appears to be on a crusade,

chastising 

correcting anyone who dares to post a question in GD.  He claims it is because it infringes upon his enjoyment of this Forum.  Quite frankly I don't f*cking believe him. 

It's not infringing his enjoyment, it's providing it.

That is my personal opinion for which I am offering no proof but it is what I believe.  People can make up their own minds based on his posting history and the posting history of his "family" who have posted under other aliases here. Will you deny having posted under many other aliases here Mr. Llong?  Will you perjure yourself here?

I wonder if you've refrained from identifying his alts because he'd raise the spectre of moderation. He's perfectly happy to do exactly that himself. In a recent recent post he said...

"You are confusing me with Laskya Claren/Scylla Rhiadra"

Never mind that the association is otherwise known to some, it's no different for his family. Laskya never raised the spectre of moderation over it.

He's correctly refuted the potential for perjury, claiming (I extrapolate from his examples) his posts are "content free". Any supposition of content rests with the reader. I suppose no content, so I suppose no perjury.

But even if I am wrong in this assertion, I feel that Mr. Llong falls into what C.S. Lewis described as the worst kind of tyrant.

Well, he's the worst kind of tyrant in the way that Michael Jordan was the worst kind of baseball player. Here's an example...

https://community.secondlife.com/t5/General-Discussion-Forum/Trolls-vs-Long-Time-players/m-p/2922270#M206208

"Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."

Do you really believe the supposed tyranny is sincerely exercised for the good of its victim? And don't forget that I'm the omnipotent moral busybody around here... or I'll torment you. You know I can do it.

In closing I did want to respond specifically to one statement that you made:

"...but that it's possible for these same people to believe that “the truth”, “the whole truth”, and “nothing but the truth” are three different things."

There is a reason why it is phrased this way in the Oath.  I don't want to hijack this thread with a long discourse on this but briefly it is this:

The truth -  Means "the Truth"

The whole truth -  Don't omit anything

Nothing but the truth - Don't add anything.

Or maybe as one television detective used to phrase it, "Just the facts Ma'am." 

Oh, how apropo...

 

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[CleoSertorii]

I would like to offer my opinion here, since i have been the recipient of some of LL's scorn on this exact subject. As you can tell by my post count, i don't post often in here, rather i tend to just read threads to find what information i am after. Recently i had a question regarding sending an abuse report when there wasnt any obvious and straightforward way to do it. I "did my homework" by searching existing threads on the subject, both here and even over at SLUniverse, but was unable to find a satisfactory answer. I made a deliberate decision to post my question in the GD section in the hopes that i migh thave a better chance at getting an answer. As someone already pointed out, GD has far more traffic and what appears to be long-term residents who might have dealt with this issue before. Lazyness or ignorance had nothing to do with it.

 

My very first reply was from Derek, who didnt actually say anything, but posted a screenshot of the "answers"  section of the forum, which just happens to be the place i have already looked when doing my homework. I admit, my reply was a little sarcastic, but i think it was appropriate based on my previous experience with Derek. My response was "thanks, derek...why didnt i think of that? ", to which LL replied "because you didn't think?". I honestly wonder if this thread wasn't motivated by what he said to me. So, did i post in an appropriate forum? Yes, i believe I did. Was LL's response to me trollish and unnecessary? Yes, i believe it was. It certainly wasnt helpful at all, and it felt very condescending. LL (and others) have suggested that I get to know the players. Well, i havent done that deliberately, but i have come across many posts made by LL where it seemed obvious thay we was just there to make some dumb**s comment and not contrubute anything useful at all. Based on LL's replies in here, it also seems to me that his "question" isn't even genuine curiosity, but rather just another opportunity for him to put down people who he thinks are inferior (ie. have a different viewpoint).

 

So, my final answer to LL's question "Do YOU think I am being unreasonable in asking that the forums should be used in an effective manner?"...yes, Llazaarus, i think you are being VERY unreasonable, because it is an information and discussion forum for a virtual world populated by ALL different kinds of people. It is not a government agency or NASA, where organization and accuracy are important. If you wish to create the perfect forum environment, maybe you should look into creating your own and limit who can join, that way the rest of us peasants can't ruin your perfect little forum structure.

[LlazarusLlong]

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CleoSertorii wrote:

 

 Well, i havent done that deliberately, but i have come across many posts made by LL where it seemed obvious thay we was just there to make some dumb**s comment and not contrubute anything useful at all.

 

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My case rests.

[LlazarusLlong]

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Drake1 Nightfire wrote:

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LlazarusLlong wrote:

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Coby Foden wrote:

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LlazarusLlong wrote:

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Drake1 Nightfire wrote:

And LlazarusLlong responded:

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Yes, it is far more reasonable to expect the Forums themselves should be working effectively and not shunt you to the blogs every time you click a button.

 

It's not every time for me, just once per session, near its commencement, so I am not overly perturbed.

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What has started to happen to me

every time

and

every day

.

• From my dashboard I select "Community, Forums" and sign in there.

• Well, after signing in, instead of being directed to the Forums tab, I'm thrown to the Blogs tab. Why?

• Ok, I click the Forums tab and start reading posts.

• Very soon I notice that I'm not signed in any more.

• I sign in again to the Forums and I find myself staring the Blogs. Again! Why?

• I click the Forums tab and search the thread where I was when sign out happened.

• All the posts in that thread are marked as new! Grrr...

• The unwanted sign outs has started to happen even twice while I'm reading the posts.

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Coby, that is EXACTLY what happens to me.

I don't believe it - LL being consistent . . .

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Fabricational fabricator.. or in laymans terms.. LIAR!!!

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LlazarusLlong wrote:

It's not every time for me, just once per session, near its commencement, so I am not overly perturbed.

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Is it only once or many times, Mr Llong? The truth, please.

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Just once per session.

If perhaps you are referring to the last of Coby's dot points, I couldn't understand it, so, being courteous, I ignored it.

And anyway, I would point you to the advice of a much revered historic frequenter of the forums: "Don't believe everything you read on the internet".

 

[Derek Torvalar]

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CleoSertorii wrote:

 

 

My very first reply was from Derek, who didnt actually say anything, but posted a screenshot of the "answers"  section of the forum, which just happens to be the place i have already looked when doing my homework. 

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But you didn't ask your question there did you?

And why is that?

Because you didn't want to. That other stuff is all nonsense.

The Answers section is populated with some of the oldest most experienced residents of SL just waiting for a question.

There is nothing wrong with a little order and structure. It makes things, like Answers, easier to find if they are all in the same place and easily accessible, rather than strewn all over a forum site with 20 odd categories.

[Derek Torvalar]

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SID Riler wrote:

 I think anyone and everyone can and should post in forums if they want to, if they feel like asking a question that has been answered 100 times before in a knowledge database let them be, if you do not want to answer that questions for the 101 times, just don't look at the post, but do not suggest that just because someone post a silly post, is doing the wrong thing, that's my opinion, seriously, people that posts all the time in the forum sometimes think they have the Director stick, well you don't, me, I like reading and answering and I never make a forum question, because like you said, I go first to where I can find the answer but, man if they want to ask, whatever they want, that's anyone's right

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Here's another one.

A spoiled childish brat with entitlement issues. Clearly ODD.

Even worse, ready with their dysfunctional sympathy on parade for everyone to applaud.

[Derek Torvalar]

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Ohjiro Watanabe wrote:

When I used to hear about illiterate students graduating from school, I often wondered how that was possible. But after encountering some of LlazarusLlong's more lusk annunciations, I now realize that not only is it possible for people to graduate without having learned fundamental skills such as reading and writing, but that it's possible for these same people to believe that “the truth”, “the whole truth”, and “nothing but the truth” are three different things. Before I begin talking about specifics, let me just mention that if you think that it is better that a hundred thousand people should perish than that LlazarusLlong should be even slightly inconvenienced then you're suffering from very serious nearsightedness. You're focusing too much on what LlazarusLlong wants you to see and failing to observe many other things of much greater importance such as that its hatchet men have been pivotal in sustaining the narrative that LlazarusLlong's writings surpass most intellectual discourse in terms of the cogency of what they promote and the morality of their implications. Towards this end they toss about inflated figures, dubious “facts”, and exaggerated claims about how LlazarusLlong is beyond reproach.

LlazarusLlong is not interested in what is true and what is false or in what is good and what is evil. In fact, those distinctions have no meaning to it whatsoever. The only thing that has any meaning to LlazarusLlong is solipsism. Why? The answer is almost utterly obvious—this isn't rocket science, you know. The key is that LlazarusLlong once tried convincing me that the more strepitant the communication, the more perspicuous the message. Does it think I was born yesterday? I mean, it seems pretty obvious that LlazarusLlong refers to almost everyone it dislikes as “benighted”. Consequently, when I made some disparaging remarks about LlazarusLlong's imprecations, the choicest word LlazarusLlong found for me was—wait for it—"benighted". My purpose in telling you this is not to highlight LlazarusLlong's limited vocabulary but rather to remind you that Titoism is a plague upon us all, a pox that will likely not be erased in the lifetime of any reader of this letter. To LlazarusLlong, however, it's merely a convenient mechanism for waging a clandestine guerilla war against many basic human rights.

It is not necessary to continue living with the risks induced by LlazarusLlong's aberrant prank phone calls in order reap the cautionary benefits bestowed by the knowledge that we all know, in the world that surrounds us, that there are terrorists and home invaders and drug cartels and carjackers and knockout gamers and rapers and haters and baleful braggarts who scheme to use threats of fiscal harm to coerce perverted, biased skinflints into forming the association in the public's mind between any codices LlazarusLlong disagrees with and the ideas of hate and violence and illegality. What is often easy to forget, however, is that LlazarusLlong's warped dream is starting to come true. Liberties are being killed by attrition. Maoism is being installed by accretion. The only way that we can reverse these vengeful, jackbooted trends is to advance a clear, credible, and effective vision for dealing with our present dilemma and its most effete manifestations. To be precise, it and I disagree about our civic duties. I aver that we must do our utmost to advance freedom in countries strangled by tyranny. LlazarusLlong, on the other hand, warrants that savagism is a beautiful entelechy that makes us whole. All right; this letter is finally drawing to a close. If I have said anything that overstates the truth and indicates an unreasonable impatience, I beg you to forgive me. If I have said anything that understates the truth and indicates my having a patience that allows me to settle for anything less than reporting as best as possible the facts and circumstances surrounding LlazarusLlong's headlong tactics, I beg God to forgive me.

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wuttanob, eh.

Another failed PoliSci major's propagandist op/ed.

C-

Take a writing course.

[Derek Torvalar]

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LlazarusLlong wrote:

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Coby Foden wrote:

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LlazarusLlong wrote:

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Drake1 Nightfire wrote:

And LlazarusLlong responded:

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Yes, it is far more reasonable to expect the Forums themselves should be working effectively and not shunt you to the blogs every time you click a button.

 

It's not every time for me, just once per session, near its commencement, so I am not overly perturbed.

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What has started to happen to me

every time

and

every day

.

• From my dashboard I select "Community, Forums" and sign in there.

• Well, after signing in, instead of being directed to the Forums tab, I'm thrown to the Blogs tab. Why?

• Ok, I click the Forums tab and start reading posts.

• Very soon I notice that I'm not signed in any more.

• I sign in again to the Forums and I find myself staring the Blogs. Again! Why?

• I click the Forums tab and search the thread where I was when sign out happened.

• All the posts in that thread are marked as new! Grrr...

• The unwanted sign outs has started to happen even twice while I'm reading the posts.

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Coby, that is EXACTLY what happens to me.

I don't believe it - LL being consistent . . .

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I too have noticed this happening for about 2-3 weeks.

Inconceivably, I think it is by design, a way to get people to read the LL Blog. It seemed to coincide with Xiola's appearance asking for help to make the forum a place for all SL residents and a response to people complaining that they never got news from LL.

[CleoSertorii]

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Derek Torvalar wrote:

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CleoSertorii wrote:

 

 

My very first reply was from Derek, who didnt actually say anything, but posted a screenshot of the "answers"  section of the forum, which just happens to be the place i have already looked when doing my homework. 

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But you didn't ask your question there did you?

And why is that?

Because you didn't want to. That other stuff is all nonsense.

The Answers section is populated with some of the oldest most experienced residents of SL just waiting for a question.

There is nothing wrong with a little order and structure. It makes things, like Answers, easier to find if they are all in the same place and easily accessible, rather than strewn all over a forum site with 20 odd categories.

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replies like this are what lead me to believe that some of you act as though you think you are the forum elite, and that almost everyone else is inferior to you if they dont do or say things in a way that reflects your own viewpoint. Basically stated...who in the hell died and made you god? It seems as though anyone who participates in this forum, but doesnt do it in exactly the way you (or LL, or Dres, or...) approve of, then somehow they are stupid, or immature, or lazy, or unthinking, or "fill in the blank with some derogatory term". The fact that you people cant see it makes it even worse.

 

My opinion is not nonsense. It is how i think. Because it is different than yours, does that make you right and me wrong? I dont think so. Maybe posting in the answers section will help, maybe it wont, but it is MY decision on which one to post in, not yours. If you dont like it, then dont read it.

 

true, a little order and stucture is fine, but being **bleep** about what forum is appropriate isnt your concern. The moderators will handle that, and if they wish to move my thread, then thats fine with me. You and LL aren't the forum police, so stop acting like it. Also, are you aware that when searching for something, the forum lists results in ALL subsections, so even if things are scattered, it isnt any harder to find.

 

Oh, and here is a little twist i'll bet you didnt know about...the answers section has a character limit (not even enough to type a full sentence) that prevents me from asking my entire question, so please tell me just how helpful that will be?

[Pussycat Catnap]

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LlazarusLlong wrote:

 

Do YOU think I am being unreasonable in asking that the forums should be used in an effective manner?

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I think back when they wiped out the general discussion forums, the very idea was to make sure the forums were used in an effective manner.

But we users pretty much demanded that we have a space to be innefective, and after some time, we got it back.

Answers and other places are still around for 'effective communication'.

 

[Derek Torvalar]

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CleoSertorii wrote:

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Derek Torvalar wrote:

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CleoSertorii wrote:

 

 

My very first reply was from Derek, who didnt actually say anything, but posted a screenshot of the "answers"  section of the forum, which just happens to be the place i have already looked when doing my homework. 

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But you didn't ask your question there did you?

And why is that?

Because you didn't want to. That other stuff is all nonsense.

The Answers section is populated with some of the oldest most experienced residents of SL just waiting for a question.

There is nothing wrong with a little order and structure. It makes things, like Answers, easier to find if they are all in the same place and easily accessible, rather than strewn all over a forum site with 20 odd categories.

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replies like this are what lead me to believe that some of you act as though you think you are the forum elite, and that almost everyone else is inferior to you if they dont do or say things in a way that reflects your own viewpoint. Basically stated...who in the hell died and made you god? It seems as though anyone who participates in this forum, but doesnt do it in exactly the way you (or LL, or Dres, or...) approve of, then somehow they are stupid, or immature, or lazy, or unthinking, or "fill in the blank with some derogatory term". The fact that you people cant see it makes it even worse.

 

My opinion is not nonsense. It is how i think. Because it is different than yours, does that make you right and me wrong? I dont think so. Maybe posting in the answers section will help, maybe it wont, but it is MY decision on which one to post in, not yours. If you dont like it, then dont read it.

 

true, a little order and stucture is fine, but being **bleep** about what forum is appropriate isnt your concern. The moderators will handle that, and if they wish to move my thread, then thats fine with me. You and LL aren't the forum police, so stop acting like it. Also, are you aware that when searching for something, the forum lists results in ALL subsections, so even if things are scattered, it isnt any harder to find.

 

Oh, and here is a little twist i'll bet you didnt know about...the answers section has a character limit (not even enough to type a full sentence) that prevents me from asking my entire question, so please tell me just how helpful that will be?

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" I made a deliberate decision to post my question in the GD section in the hopes that i migh thave a better chance at getting an answer. As someone already pointed out, GD has far more traffic and what appears to be long-term residents who might have dealt with this issue before."

 

That is the nonsense I was referring to specifically.

While you scoff at the way some of your posts are treated by some of the forum members here, you fail to appreciate that we were once as inexperienced in forum protocol as you and others are, but seem to be hellbent on remaining, however our styles evolved through observation of other's postings.

Rather than indulging in ego-centric obstinance, defiance and hyper-emotional hysterionics you might do well to heed some of the advice and modify your forum conduct such that you will earn the respect of the more experienced posters here.

Frankly, I do not think you really comprehend what 'we' see.

And, just because something is your opinion that reflects what you think does not mean it can not be nonsense.

If your logic is invalid, your assumptions incorrect, perceptions skewed then the ensuing opinion, the product of your thoughts, is quite probably nonsense. Deal with it.

Lasty, as I suggested in your thread, just post your question, that is well under 100 characters, and leave out the rest of the drama.

 

 

[CleoSertorii]

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That is the nonsense I was referring to specifically

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While you scoff at the way some of your posts are treated by some of the forum members here, you fail to appreciate that we were once as inexperienced in forum protocol as you and others are, but seem to be hellbent on remaining, however our styles evolved through observation of other's postings.

Rather than indulging in ego-centric obstinance, defiance and hyper-emotional hysterionics you might do well to heed some of the advice and modify your forum conduct such that you will earn the respect of the more experienced posters here.

Frankly, I do not think you really comprehend what 'we' see.

And, just because something is your opinion that reflects what you think does not mean it can not be nonsense.

If your logic is invalid, your assumptions incorrect, perceptions skewed then the ensuing opinion, the product of your thoughts, is quite probably nonsense. Deal with it.

Lasty, as I suggested in your thread, just post your question, that is well under 100 characters, and leave out the rest of the drama.

 

 

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Im sorry to rain on your parade, derek, but I'm not a conformist, and I have no interest in "earning" your respect. If i have to change to your point of view to be respected, then i would rather be an outcast. Enjoy the view from your pedestal

[Kenbro Utu]

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Ohjiro Watanabe wrote:

....If I have said anything that understates the truth and indicates my having a patience that allows me to settle for anything less than reporting as best as possible the facts and circumstances surrounding LlazarusLlong's headlong tactics, I beg God to forgive me.

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Excellent troll Ohjiro.  For those who got trolled, this was created by an automatic complaint letter generator.  Plug in a name and it spews out meaningless diatribe.  Very amusing. 

[LlazarusLlong]

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Kenbro Utu wrote:

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Ohjiro Watanabe wrote:

....If I have said anything that understates the truth and indicates my having a patience that allows me to settle for anything less than reporting as best as possible the facts and circumstances surrounding LlazarusLlong's headlong tactics, I beg God to forgive me.

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Excellent troll Ohjiro.  For those who got trolled, this was created by an automatic complaint letter generator.  Plug in a name and it spews out meaningless diatribe.  Very amusing. 

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Amusing? Perhaps for those who aren't used to plugging pretentious prose into plagiarism checkers, but it's just as tiresome for academics as having to review semi-literate papers which obey Microsoft's "grammar" corrections and select the most polysyllabic of the options for simple words which an online thesaurus suggests.

You might not even have needed to google the text to identify the words of an extremely well-known plagiarist which Ken quotes above.

[Kenbro Utu]

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LlazarusLlong wrote:

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Kenbro Utu wrote:

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Ohjiro Watanabe wrote:

....If I have said anything that understates the truth and indicates my having a patience that allows me to settle for anything less than reporting as best as possible the facts and circumstances surrounding LlazarusLlong's headlong tactics, I beg God to forgive me.

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Excellent troll Ohjiro.  For those who got trolled, this was created by an automatic complaint letter generator.  Plug in a name and it spews out meaningless diatribe.  Very amusing. 

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Amusing? Perhaps for those who aren't used to plugging pretentious prose into plagiarism checkers, but it's just as tiresome for academics as having to review semi-literate papers which obey Microsoft's "grammar" corrections and select the most polysyllabic of the options for simple words which an online thesaurus suggests.

You might not even have needed to google the text to identify the words of an extremely well-known plagiarist which Ken quotes above.

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It was not the text he pasted which was amusing, it was the reponses of those who thought that he actually made the effort to author it himself. 

[Ohjiro Watanabe]

Yeah, fell for it hook line and plonker and I didn't even press the right button. http://www.pakin.org

 

[Ohjiro Watanabe]

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LlazarusLlong wrote:

... but it's just as tiresome for academics as having to review semi-literate papers which obey Microsoft's "grammar" corrections and select the most polysyllabic of the options for simple words which an online thesaurus suggests.

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aww, sorry to the academics. For the rest of us it was just a bit of fun teasing you for taking yourself too seriously.

[LlazarusLlong]

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Ohjiro Watanabe wrote:

 

aww, sorry to the academics. For the rest of us it was just a bit of fun teasing you for taking yourself too seriously.

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You have definitely got the wrong end of the stick; it is others that take me too seriously . . .

[Derek Torvalar]

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CleoSertorii wrote:

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That is the nonsense I was referring to specifically

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While you scoff at the way some of your posts are treated by some of the forum members here, you fail to appreciate that we were once as inexperienced in forum protocol as you and others are, but seem to be hellbent on remaining, however our styles evolved through observation of other's postings.

Rather than indulging in ego-centric obstinance, defiance and hyper-emotional hysterionics you might do well to heed some of the advice and modify your forum conduct such that you will earn the respect of the more experienced posters here.

Frankly, I do not think you really comprehend what 'we' see.

And, just because something is your opinion that reflects what you think does not mean it can not be nonsense.

If your logic is invalid, your assumptions incorrect, perceptions skewed then the ensuing opinion, the product of your thoughts, is quite probably nonsense. Deal with it.

Lasty, as I suggested in your thread, just post your question, that is well under 100 characters, and leave out the rest of the drama.

 

 

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Im sorry to rain on your parade, derek, but I'm not a conformist, and I have no interest in "earning" your respect. If i have to change to your point of view to be respected, then i would rather be an outcast. Enjoy the view from your pedestal

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Don't think of it as a pedastel, but rather being firmly rooted in the foundation of decorum. 

But if you wish to remain mired in the putrefied muck of adolescent tantrums of defiance and obstinance, so be it.