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@AxisDenied:I doubt that anyone here can help you, but really the target of your enquiries should be Linden Lab via their help system. If you are a Premium account you could use Live Chat, otherwise raise a trouble ticket. Use this url: https://lindenlab.freshdesk.com/support/tickets/new

So... the RC channel is being rolled, according to the Grid Status Page. But what, if anything is being rolled? Please @Linden Lab What is was being rolled? Are you asleep at the wheel again? ETA: So...no simulator version number change so this was presumably just a "simple" restart. Thing is these regions had only been running for a week so why the need to restart them, given your present apparent policy of only restarting regions that have been running 10 days or more?

@SD170: That is a generic error, usually caused by a poor connection or in your case your computer's firewall or antivirus not letting the viewer connect. Check that the viewer is permitted to access the internet (in Firewall security permissions), also any other executables like voice or similar.

@SD170: What error message are you getting?

@Caleb LindenAnd I assume the code rolled to the RC channel last week was that rolled to SecondLife Server regions today? It would have been nice to have that confirmed. ETA somewhat later: I see that simulator version was indeed the one rolled to the Second Life Server (or at any rate to my home region). I reiterate, it would have been nice to have the official confirmation by now.

With ALM active the setting you want is opaque water and that IS available...I use it in busy clubs! ETA: as I was typing my response, Rowan Amore was posting the very same thing! 😁

NVidia is by no means God. Their recent drivers have been rubbish for users of more complex multi-screen set ups and for certain games. But my experience with SL, You Tube, films and little more has been good. There is precious little to choose between a high end Radeon card and the middle range NVidia cards like my GTX 1660Ti. The hadling of OpenGL by the respective cards is not an opinion , it is a fact, AMD stopped work on their cards at OpenGL 4.2...we are now on 4.6 and NVidia is at parity there. There is no doubt that AMD give much more "bang for your buck" in most ways and I can only speak to Windows application, but in my experience, NVidia still win. As has been stated by many and especially in the USA, GPU prices are eye-watering and availability low to none-existent.

@Eowyn Southmoorin that case you need to raise a feature request within the Firestorm JIRA.

@JimmySkat CanucciThis one of those "How long is a piece of string?" questions. It has no answer. My advice> The best one you can afford, and almost certainly made by NVidia, most notably because their support for OpenGL is better than AMD. There my be other concerns, such as "can my computer's motherboard handle it?" or "will it fit inside my computer's casing?" Without knowing the type of computer you wish to fit it in we cannot advise you.

For what it is worth I frequently use first person view and while the head is definitely attached to ths skull pont I see elements of my head that are not separate attachments, ie teeth. This is in Firestorm 6.4.21and has been the same for the recent past. Some I can hide but the mouth and throat are still clearly visible to me (sorry no picture at this point) and cannot be hidden by the Catwa Master HUD, so if this IS a FS bug I wish they'd get round to fixing it!

FS 6.4.21 is by far a better viewer than many, it is far superior to 6.4.12 and 6.4.13, thanks to render pathway improvements, in a large part thanks to LL. Perhaps the caching improvements that LL are pushing will find their way into the next FS and things will improve still further. The biggest performance hit that EVERYONE has suffered is due to the new render pathway that LL pushed us down in creating EEP. Eventually that Edsel will perform, but right now every EEP viewer is a bag of nails compared to its Windlight predecessor.

@Mazidox LindenSo this will, I assume, be why my region, Woods of Heaven, never did get a restart today despite the GSP stating that the roll is complete a few minutes ago? Frankly the excuses reasons for these "unexpected" failures are beginning to wear thin.

But...but...wider buses won't fit on British roads so what am I to do?

@Mazidox Linden that's haha for the first paragraph and the release notes comment and thanks for the whole thing!

GSP says they are "investigating". I wonder if the support portal is down for them as well 'cos it sure is down for the rest of us. The server has fallen over completely. @Free Xue the maintenance that refers to was phone support, which is a whole other set of systems. ETA: Support is also completely down (ALL aspects of it) to those inworld. This is something they will fix pronto I'm sure! I wonder when the cleaners work at the weekend? 😁

I've watched this debate with fascination, since about 8 years ago, I migrated my whole PC to SSD operations and so far (touch wood) I have had only one failure, an old HDD on my older PC, not used for SL. Back in 2009, I did have an SSD fail on me, but that was largely due to non-SL operations. To date for me, SSDs and latterly PCI-e SSDs have operated smoothly and rapidly in SL for me. I never worked out how to create and operate a RAMdisk but that has not been relevant in recent years. Perhaps I have been fortunate not to have failures but I rather suspect that such failures as are mentioned above are things of the past. One thing that is certain is that the "old" spinning-platter HDD is no longer very relevant in such applications and I see pretty much all laptops being sold today with fully solid-state internals. Oh, I should add that the use of SSDs for SL has improved the experience vastly.

Interesting. So the consensus appears to be issues with some aspects of the internet, seemingly related to AWS Oregon, though there are no issues reported currently. The number of accounts affected must be below the threshold where LL would issue a notice on the GSP. Perhaps a few tickets about the issue might awaken them (not that there would be much they could do, other than as a client of AWS they might have some traction). Looks like this is one we will just have to wait out.

Yesterday I experienced more teleport disconnects and login issues in one day than I experienced over the past year. I did all the checks possible on my ISP and found no issues ( ping, speed, packet loss etc.) yet after a disconnect I found FS would hang for up to 30 seconds at "requesting region capabilities" . Testing on LL's viewer ( current release) showed no issues of that type and once in-world on FS I experienced no issues typical of poor connection. Restarting the region eliminated the issue for several hours until another TP disconnect occurred whereupon the symptoms returned. Is my experience being noted by anyone else? I did not post this in either the viewer or general tech forums since I got the impression that this was a server issue. Having seen numerous reports in the FS support chat of similar issues and reports of nebulous "connectivity" issues, I wondered if any further light could be shed on the issue?

Ardy...No! Just No. Don't even think it.

Well, Woods of Heaven is >10days uptime and the GPB has not visited us yet. SNAFU.

Y'know, Niran, sometimes we do need to give the LL technicians a bit of credit for the hard work they do! From what I gathered, this certificate issue was quite unexpected and to expect them to understand the effect on TPVs when they had not even been aware of what it was that had changed, is asking a bit much. Whether or not you blame them for the issue or not THEY fixed it PDQ, it did not fix itself. Oh, and for the record I am a long-term FS user and no LL fanboi.

Not to mention you have some significant certificate-related issues to deal with!

@Mazidox LindenMay I assume that after today's emergency restarts the server version showing is 564394? I am a little disorientated at present since my region (Woods of Heaven) has been on and off like a light-switch today. This is not me being narked, I am thankful that such swift action was taken (though I am not really surprised since SL's economy was being badly impacted by the certificate issue).

@Rris Greenfield, as a JIRA. Ll support needs to see that, though they appear to be rolling out a fix which might address the issue. The link is in Rowan's post below.

One issue that folk have periodically experienced over the years is offline messages going to your email are wrongly sent to your isps junk mail folder and never arrive at your computer's email handler. It's worth checking both in your local email junk/spam folders and alsoin the equivalent folders at your ISP's email server. It's not guaranteed but it helps some.