Quartz Mole

Same here. I've had my PCs made by a local computer store for about what I'd pay for an off-the-shelf model of a similar spec and whenever I want replace or upgrade a component I discuss my requirements with them and they end up supplying and fitting the new gpu or whatever for about, or less than, what I'd pay for the same component on Amazon.

Please try to keep the discussion focussed on SL-related topics, and don't let it wander off into a more general discussion of empathy and toxicity in general.

It is perfectly possible to disagree with a point someone makes without making a personal issue of it (insulting or belittling them or impugning their motives). The Forum Participation Guidelines say, and I've had to remove several posts because people seemed to have forgotten about this.

Some disagreements seem to be getting a bit personal. These, if they must be conducted at all, should be conducted in personal messages, not in the forum.

Please try to restrict the discussion to PBR without going off on tangents like speculating about what research Linden Lab do or don't do, or what they did or didn't get right when introducing new features in the past.

Sorry, but I don't understand. You can apply both in the same viewer if you use the Official Viewer. As Scylla notes above, you just have to apply the Blinn-Phong textures first. Presumably when Firestorm release their PBR viewer, you'll be able to do the same in that viewer, too. Or have I misunderstood something?

Yes. Blinn-Phong and PBR are completely separate. If you're using a PBR viewer you see the PBR layers. If you're not, you see the Blinn-Phong ones if the creator has applied any. When we were making Winter Wonderland, because we weren't sure when Firestorm would have PRB ready, we had to texture everything twice, once with PBR materials and once with Blinn-Phong ones, to be sure everyone would see much the same thing. I think the moral of this story, though, is that content creators should always check what their creations look like in (at least) both Firestorm and the Official Viewer at several different viewer settings, which I have to say I knew to do well before I started to work for LDPW.

Please let's stick to the topic, "lossy texture compression." If people feel they really must complain about other contributors' tone, then please do it in personal messages or somewhere other than these forums.

Any further discussion of the qualities or reputation of individual forum regulars is very much off-topic for this thread. It is not a path we should explore any further.

I assumed you had your reasons for opening the thread here, which is why I didn't suggest moving it. The fact it's got this far without any problems demonstrates your decision was the right one and that it's perfectly possible to have a useful discussion without going into too much Adult detail, which is why I don't want to take up BilliJo's suggestion. If people want to start a parallel discussion in the Adult forum, they're very welcome to, but let's keep this one suitable for a G audience.

https://community.secondlife.com/forums/forum/118-adult-content-forum/

Please remember that this thread, despite the topic, needs to remain G-rated to remain within the forum guidelines. If people want to start another thread in the Adult Forums then that would no longer be a concern, but please keep this in mind while posting here.

I think we're starting to wander off-topic.

I'd like to remind people that the Linden Lab Official:Forum Participation Guidelines start with It would, I think, be generally appreciated, not least by me, if people could express their disagreements about PBR without resorting to sarcasm or otherwise belittling people with whom they disagree. It doesn't add anything to the discussion, and I fear it can only be off-putting to people who want to ask questions about this new (at least for SL) technology but are worried about being dismissed as idiots for not understanding things.

We know you enjoy speculating about what we're doing, and we enjoy reading your speculations -- some of which are spookily accurate and some of which are wildly off-beam.

I hope this thread doesn't make a detour into buying and selling microparcels and so on. If people want to discuss that kind of thing, they should do it in the Land forum, without attacking what they take to be the business practices of other forum members.

I don't know. I'd suggest you attend one of the Content Creator User Group meetings and ask there.

As I understand it, it's a myth that lots of people log into SL with very low spec machines -- LL see the default graphics settings that viewers apply when they're installed, whatever people may later set them to, and apparently the vast majority of users have machines that can easily handle medium to higher-range graphics settings. The only sizeable constituency who use very low end machines are bots, who are logged in on text-only viewers for obvious reasons. Certainly from I've been told, people won't find that PBR means they can't log in. It shouldn't make a big difference to people's performance, at least not with the Official Viewer. And that's been our experience in LPDW, where we use a wide variety of different machines, and those of who have them, have deliberately been testing PBR viewer on our low-end backup laptops. If your machine can't cope with particular PBR features, you won't see them, just as not everyone has been able to use particular graphics settings in the past. It shouldn't spoil your SL.

We Moles have been testing the various PBR viewers for some months now (well, we had to, to build Winter Wonderland, of course, but that wasn't the only reason). We use a variety of machines of all shapes and sizes -- I'm still running a GeForce GTX 660 GPU ! -- and I don't think any of us have experienced particular performance issues with the more recent builds. At least Windows users haven't. I know the Mac users were having difficulties not so long ago, but I think those have now been ameliorated, if not completely fixed.

The randomness is, in this case, intentional. If you fiddle with it enough, sooner or later it'll blow up.

Perhaps the conversation about CMNF, BDSM and other kinks would, if people want to pursue it at any length, be better conducted in a thread of its own, perhaps in the adult forum. I don't think this thread is right place for serious and extended discussions about any topic.

If you come across another one you can't restart, let me know and I'll gladly take a look. The long touch script recognises Lindens, Moles and the parcel owner, and I can't think of why it wouldn't know who the parcel owner is, whatever problems the main script is having. Clearly it does work for the parcel owner, at least in some cases.

We've got a fix and are waiting for it to pass QA (unfortunately, this is our busiest time of year, so QA's time is limited). However, as I've said several times in other thread, every time I've investigated the issue, I've been able to reset the house controllers by touching them, holding down the left mouse button for 10 seconds and releasing it. When people IM me about it, I tell them to do that, and that I'll come over and take a look if it doesn't work, but please to try that first, and it always works for them. From this I conclude that 10 seconds is longer than many people think. If you find any more house controllers like that, ping me and, if I'm online, I'll come over and take a look with you.

I have sought advice and am told that cross-posting links to the Adult Forum in this General Forum is not permitted.

Since this thread seems unlikely to provide any more useful insights for anyone into the merits or otherwise of cross posting, and since the discussion keeps on getting personal, I think it's best to end the discussion here.