Lindens Statements from Governance Meeting

[Madi Melodious]

1 minute ago, Love Zhaoying said:

Don't take it personally, some people just have to get the last word, and keep going if anyone disagrees with them. 

It's normal, but super annoying until you get used to whoever it is and just ignore them.

 

I'm not taking anything personally.  I laugh most of these off. I do try to educate some people and listen too.  After a while I realize they are not worth my time.   You can't be on the internet as long as I have and not have a thick skin.   My skin is so thick I might as well be a turtle.

[Persephone Emerald]

1 hour ago, Love Zhaoying said:

Plus, do we really need art in SL of Romulus and Remus sucking at their wolf-mom's teat?

Possibly nawt!

Eh? Roman roleplay sims.

[Psyche Starling]

10 minutes ago, Ayashe Ninetails said:

That's just clothing for Maitreya, Reborn, Jake, Kario, CZ Slim, Anatomy, Legacy M/F, etc.

Most current furries use human bodies and shop in like...Addams.

That makes a lot of sense. I'd seen a lot of bovines and foxes and dragons around who were wearing stuff I knew was in human sizes, and wasn't sure if they were using furry heads on human bodies or just, like, a lot of alphas.

[Arielle Popstar]

20 minutes ago, Zalificent Corvinus said:

So... Exactly the same ass your claims about all the thousands of poor innocent people who got perma banned for nothing that you heard about on Sh*tter and ArseTome.

Did I say that? Must be true then! Can't be you grasping or misremembering who said what.

[Ayashe Ninetails]

2 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

I don't care for most "human body lions" (except my own Nekos), so gravitate more towards full lions (ferals). Luckily, there are only so many of them. 

Just a "thing"! To me, all the "human body lions" look about the same.  @Robberinthemuseumtold me about a nice one awhile back, but have I worn it? Nope. Will I? Maybe. Same with one I got from a teaser at the Skin Fair.

I haven't seen too many lions in general, so I can't really comment on the style. I imagine doing it properly with a full mane might interfere with some clothing designs, though. Maybe.

I am really, really seriously considering that super cute monkey kit, though. I already have the head it's made for, AHHHH!

Someone asked earlier if it was for child avatars or adults? It's sold for adult bodies, but almost any human body can be made into a teen with shaping tweaks.

[Arielle Popstar]

10 minutes ago, Alwin Alcott said:

Madi your discussion ended the moment the TOS was accepted and LL started explaining on the special page.
There will be small addaptions, but all the rest is final.

You are starting to sound like one of the store owners who just want all the bickering to stop, everybody just accept the new ToS and just go back to being good little sheep and continue buying and obeying all the new rules unless it affects you personally.

[Madi Melodious]

10 minutes ago, Ayashe Ninetails said:

I haven't seen too many lions in general, so I can't really comment on the style. I imagine doing it properly with a full mane might interfere with some clothing designs, though. Maybe.

I am really, really seriously considering that super cute monkey kit, though. I already have the head it's made for, AHHHH!

Someone asked earlier if it was for child avatars or adults? It's sold for adult bodies, but almost any human body can be made into a teen with shaping tweaks.

I found a new avatar to attend and shop with on moderate land, I don't think it will require modesty patches.

Second Life Marketplace - Spider Avatar - Misty Vale Arachnoid

I might wear it to the next governance meeting.  I bet I'll have one whole side of the sim to myself.  😇

PS question.  Does this count as a furry? 🤔

Edited May 10 by Madi Melodious

[Zalificent Corvinus]

9 minutes ago, Madi Melodious said:

I might as well be a turtle.

turtles can live a long time.

As long as your turtle looks over 18, you can visit the A rated regions, naked.

 

[Love Zhaoying]

I would like to humbly submit the question:

Since non-human avatars ("Furries") which have non-human bodies (example: an avatar that walks on 4 legs, i.e. a "feral") cannot depict "human children", are they exempt from wearing clothing, so long as they do not have any genitals?

Assume they are "not presenting as under 18 years of age" - as it is irrelevant for the type of avatar.

I feel like this was not covered well (except the "presenting age" mention) in the blanket statement about "Furries" that came out of the meeting (as I posted earlier in the thread):

15 hours ago, brodiac90 said:

Question: Do furries and other child like avatars fall under the new policy? 

Tommy Linden - 

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[14:42] Tommy Linden: For those asking about clarification on age, regardless of your gender, whether or not you are a furry, or participating in the anime community, if you are presenting as under the age of 18, that is required to follow our policy regarding child avatars.

[Madi Melodious]

3 minutes ago, Zalificent Corvinus said:

turtles can live a long time.

As long as your turtle looks over 18, you can visit the A rated regions, naked.

 

Why would I do that?   I've not visit 'A' regions with this AV in years.  I don't even frequent them with my adult alt.  The things that happen there simply do not interest me.

💖Be Well💖

[Ayashe Ninetails]

14 minutes ago, Psyche Starling said:

That makes a lot of sense. I'd seen a lot of bovines and foxes and dragons around who were wearing stuff I knew was in human sizes, and wasn't sure if they were using furry heads on human bodies or just, like, a lot of alphas.

Yep - just a quick overview into how a furry is made:

You buy the animal head and it comes with a male and female neck fit and you can slap it on any human body. Then you grab a skin/mod kit that will typically include your BOM skin and parts (ears, tail, etc.). This is how you can turn a base dog head into a wolf or a fox - the mod kit is your overall style and coloring/markings for the head and body. You can further customize with feet/hands made to fit your specific body. You may have to do some manual texturing here and there, unless your separate parts are BOM. Kits sometimes include a note like "compatible with Anima Travelers Skitters" or something to let you know it'll include the textures you need for those parts so you can match your addon feet to the rest of your body.

Then you go shopping in any store that supports whatever human body you're built on.

For younger/child furries, I don't know what the process is to make one (what bodies?) and how that will work out when it comes to requiring skins with the modesty layers. That's a whole other thing.

 

9 minutes ago, Madi Melodious said:

I found a new avatar to attend and shop with on moderate land, I don't think it will require modesty patches.

Second Life Marketplace - Spider Avatar - Misty Vale Arachnoid

Oh, that's fantastically creepy and perfectly safe (except for those with arachnophobia, lol)! I like it.

Edited May 10 by Ayashe Ninetails
Fixing Stuffs

[BilliJo Aldrin]

1 hour ago, JacksonBollock said:

Yeah, but this isn't simply about a company imposing policies on customers - for lets say - not rewinding their Video Cassettes (I am that old  ).

It seems a bit bigger, it has implications for identity and freedom of expression across this new thing which some (admittedly not you) are calling the Metaverse.

So Martin Niemöller's piece felt relevant, touching as it does on themes of apathy and personal responsibility.

Believe it or not, platforms like Second Life are examples of how a new Social Contract might look in the future, and how policies like that being implemented by Linden Lab should be scrutinized from all side.

There you go, so I think what I've said so far in this thread is relevant and timely. I might be wrong though  

I hope you don’t think the internet is place for freedom and individuality, that dream died a while back.

Now its all about conformity and control.

LL is just trying to catch up 😂

[Psyche Starling]

Just now, Ayashe Ninetails said:

Yep - just a quick overview into how a furry is made:

You buy the animal head and it comes with a male and female neck fit and you can slap it on any human body. Then you grab a skin/mod kit that will typically include your BOM skin and parts (ears, tail, etc.). This is how you can turn a base dog head into a wolf or a fox - the mod kit is your overall style and coloring/markings for the head and body. You can further customize with feet/hands made to fit your specific body. You may have to do some manual texturing here and there, unless your separate parts are BOM. Kits sometimes include a note like "compatible with Anima Travelers Skitters or something to let you know it'll include the textures you need for those parts so you can match your addon feet to the rest of your body.

Then you go shopping in any store that supports whatever human body you're built on.

 

Thanks! Yeah, I'm familiar with full furry bodies like the Jomo avatars, less familiar with modding the human bodies. But I can definitely see the appeal--much more clothing (and anything else you might want) to choose from!

[Love Zhaoying]

Just now, Ayashe Ninetails said:

Yep - just a quick overview into how a furry is made:

You buy the animal head and it comes with a male and female neck fit and you can slap it on any human body.

They also still sell "full body" Furry anthropomorphic (2-legged) avatars too, of course!

 

[ErwinVonVlotho]

53 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said:

No, probably not

No, definitely not.

53 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said:

there are some highly motivated and angry individuals involved

It doesn't matter. They're still not going to go to court for the right to have a naked child avi. Just imagine what the media would do to them if they did.

[gwynchisholm]

The furry avatar clothing thing is just ancient furry culture that fur is coverage so clothing is optional. You’ll still see it in a lot of different character styles and it’s fairly common enough on SL to where nobody really questions it. 

As far as how that relates to underage avatars? There’s an almost nonexistent population of people presenting underage furry avatars to begin with that either it would be subject to individual judgements or you’d just require it anyway, and if it’s determined to be one way or the other, then so be it.

I know there’s this population of people on here who do some kind of family roleplay thing, and people who like crafting different themed avatars, and underage avatars for their circles are a lot more common. But within the furry community, lol no. 99% of the places you’d go in furry circles if you showed up with an avatar that’s notably underage, you’d to be tossed right back out the door seconds later. Even if it’s not inherently sexual, there’s too much peripheral sexuality to even take chances. Nobody wants to deal with that, modesty layers or otherwise.

Im down for the harsher and more umbrella approach, and if special circumstances are caught in the crossfire then honestly, sucks to be them. Like oh what about the 2 people in this game who are playing as a bipedal wolf puppy? Better put some pants on or age up your avatar is what it sounds like?

[Love Zhaoying]

4 minutes ago, Ayashe Ninetails said:

12 minutes ago, Madi Melodious said:

I found a new avatar to attend and shop with on moderate land, I don't think it will require modesty patches.

Second Life Marketplace - Spider Avatar - Misty Vale Arachnoid

Oh, that's fantastically creepy and perfectly safe (except for those with arachnophobia, lol)! I like it.

Who is it that usually has the huge spider avatar with the human face? (A Forumite)

[BilliJo Aldrin]

56 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said:

No, probably not but then again there are some highly motivated and angry individuals involved and as we heard in the meeting yesterday, it now involves Furries too. The included minorities is growing bigger and bigger.

and dont forget the short adults that might look like teenagers to some people 😂

[ErwinVonVlotho]

43 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said:

Convicts tend to be more open with each other and in some ways the severity of their misdeed almost a badge of honour.

Not if they're in for noncing.

[Arielle Popstar]

1 minute ago, ErwinVonVlotho said:

 

It doesn't matter. They're still not going to go to court for the right to have a naked child avi. Just imagine what the media would do to them if they did.

Depends how it is worded. I'm sure we could get Scylla to write it up in such a way that it would look like we are the victims of a belligerent company denying our trans right and making us suffer and cry!

[Love Zhaoying]

1 minute ago, gwynchisholm said:

Im down for the harsher and more umbrella approach, and if special circumstances are caught in the crossfire then honestly, sucks to be them. Like oh what about the 2 people in this game who are playing as a bipedal wolf puppy? Better put some pants on or age up your avatar is what it sounds like?

I'm thinking more about basic examples like, 4-legged dogs or cats.

They are not "18" for roleplay purposes (unless that's what you have to say, screw immersion!), but they can say they are "adult" (presenting as 18+).

 

[Ayashe Ninetails]

1 minute ago, Psyche Starling said:

Thanks! Yeah, I'm familiar with full furry bodies like the Jomo avatars, less familiar with modding the human bodies. But I can definitely see the appeal--much more clothing (and anything else you might want) to choose from!

Welcome! Oh I was sooo thrilled when I learned how to make one with mesh. I used to rock full complete pre-mesh furry avatars wayyyy back in the day, and it wasn't until I was in Apricot Paws looking at clothing and saw a furry in the ad that was SO CUTE that I decided to try making an up-to-date one built around mesh. I had a friend walk me through the process. Takes a bit of practice, but once you get it down, you can make some seriously adorable stuff (and shop ANYWHERE! I'm based on Maitreya).

 

2 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

They also still sell "full body" Furry anthropomorphic (2-legged) avatars too, of course!

Yep, but those rely on clothing makers to create for their specific mesh, so options are very limited. Like the Snokra. Very cute and I'd wear it in a heartbeat, but it'd be a pain to dress. Any younger furries/cubs using complete avatars are going to have a very bad time complying with the new TOS.

[Ceka Cianci]

1 hour ago, JacksonBollock said:

And thus spake the "Reasonable Man"

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

—Martin Niemöller

Then they came for the pie that I had made earlier for after dinner desert.

Then out of pure survival instinct, all the men in the household stood tall and proud and yelled towards the invading crowd.

 

[Love Zhaoying]

4 minutes ago, ErwinVonVlotho said:

It doesn't matter. They're still not going to go to court for the right to have a naked child avi. Just imagine what the media would do to them if they did.

It's not like they're going to court to demand the right to use a litterbox in their RL school, or anything silly like that.

[BilliJo Aldrin]

27 minutes ago, Persephone Emerald said:

Eh? Roman roleplay sims.

Will there be coed public baths. 😁