Mainstream failure of SL & Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs

[Sammy Huntsman]

1 minute ago, Fauve Aeon said:

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this is a mistaken assumption, IMO. People I know toggle ‘all ratings’ to filter for a fuller search, especially on MP, and we’ve remarked on how much content unexpectedly gets a moderate or adult rating. I don’t think anyone really doubts or debates that sex inworld is an active and ongoing part of SL for many people, but I also think those who seek it as a primary focus probably don’t need it marketed very vigorously to them since they are already looking for it, it’s definitely here, and so they will find it. Teach them to filter out general and moderate and the adult content jumps right out. And that’s a good thing. 
 I’m in favor of a large laundry list of things to do inworld, the more creative the better, but also the everyday things that can connect us globally. Book clubs and poetry slams may not be as titillating as the adult content but I think it’s important for varied emphasis to be put on the many, many types of activities that forge connections between people here and generally provide lots of different types fulfillment in SL. Creative hobbies, purely social gatherings, charity work, appreciation of all the arts, in addition to sex, clubbing, decorating & shopping…you know - so many of the OTHER things that make up ‘a life’.

I use the all three option in search, just so it's easier to find more stuff. Especially since a lot of sims in SL are either Moderate or adult, you rarely see G rated sims unless you are on mainland. 

[Sammy Huntsman]

3 minutes ago, Silent Mistwalker said:

I meant they would be mad once they found out they have only 5 groups when they should have 42 as a basic account. I know I would be pissed. And of course, LL might try to pull the same stunt they did not all that long ago and try reducing basic groups to give premiums more. That would piss a lot of people off. Again.

The idea kind of makes me think of restricting the number of offline messages newbs can receive. Basics get 15. Newbs get zero? 

The moment newbs start learning about such things is the moment they are gone. LL is pretty lucky so many of us oldbies have hung around so long.

That is why I stated her idea was not the best, it is complicated and you would have a lot of pissed off new users wondering why they don't have 42 group spots. 

[Coffee Pancake]

6 minutes ago, Sammy Huntsman said:

Your way is way too overcomplicated, you have to keep it simple and fun. Going around the grid with a stamp book and collecting them. Just doesn't sound fun to me. I mean unless these people love collecting stamps rl. 

That wasn't even my idea.. 

[Sammy Huntsman]

Just now, Coffee Pancake said:

That wasn't even my idea.. 

Than who said something about collecting stamps or gamifying like that. 

[Silent Mistwalker]

Just now, Coffee Pancake said:

That wasn't even my idea.. 

No one said it was. 

[Silent Mistwalker]

1 minute ago, Sammy Huntsman said:

Than who said something about collecting stamps or gamifying like that. 

It was Rowan or Scylla. I think Rowan and Scylla replied.

[Luna Bliss]

7 minutes ago, Fauve Aeon said:

I’m in favor of a large laundry list of things to do inworld, the more creative the better, but also the everyday things that can connect us globally. Book clubs and poetry slams may not be as titillating as the adult content but I think it’s important for varied emphasis to be put on the many, many types of activities that forge connections between people here and generally provide lots of different types fulfillment in SL. Creative hobbies, purely social gatherings, charity work, appreciation of all the arts, in addition to sex, clubbing, decorating & shopping…you know - so many of the OTHER things that make up ‘a life’.

There is SO much of this going on.

@Coffee Pancake  We truly do live in different worlds.

[Scylla Rhiadra]

1 minute ago, Coffee Pancake said:

But you're already here and established. You won't need to do it. you know how inventory works, and land, and clothing and avatars, and stuff and messaging and ...... 

If you're imagining someone out there just like you, coming here today .. I hate to say it, but we already lost them to more sensible platforms with a broader reach. Whatever this place was imagined to be when you joined almost 15 years ago, it's not, and those days are long past.

If you were looking for a suitable medium today, from scratch, this wouldn't even factor.

 

I seriously do not understand your complete and utter denial of the possibility that not everyone joining SL today is a carbon copy of you, and your particular interests.

 

I posted my response to you in part to demonstrate that everyone is not simply shooting down your ideas: they are thinking about them, and offering elaborations and modifications to account for nuance.

But honestly, it's really seeming rather pointless doing even that much.

 

[Sammy Huntsman]

7 minutes ago, Silent Mistwalker said:

It was Rowan or Scylla. I think Rowan and Scylla replied.

Oh!! My bad. 

[Sammy Huntsman]

9 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

I seriously do not understand your complete and utter denial of the possibility that not everyone joining SL today is a carbon copy of you, and your particular interests.

 

I posted my response to you in part to demonstrate that everyone is not simply shooting down your ideas: they are thinking about them, and offering elaborations and modifications to account for nuance.

But honestly, it's really seeming rather pointless doing even that much.

 

Don't you know? We are all clones of her. lol jk. I totally had to say that. 

[Scylla Rhiadra]

This is how the idea developed.

2 hours ago, Rowan Amore said:

A system new users would have the option to use which includes traveling around mainland, getting a stamp like the did for that SL.passport thing, finding other things LL has placed around the grid...whatever.  Don't monetize it, don't make.it mandatory but do make it goal oriented somehow.  Somehow that doesn't initially cost money.  Most people will want to spend eventually when they see what out there by being out there.

People do like having things to do and having something from start that doesn't cost anything and gets you out and about, isn't a bad thing at all.

1 hour ago, Coffee Pancake said:

TPing about collecting stamps needs some kind of tangible purpose .. say .. every time you get one you can join one more group up to the max a basic can have. Paying premium skips this totally. It gives the legit new person activity with a purpose, it makes rolling alts more of a chore, and doesn't affect us at all (expect our disposable alts, which is probably not a bad thing).

I'm fully prepared for everyone to hate on that idea too.

1 hour ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

Nope, this seems like a viable idea to me, as essentially part of the tutorial process. It's a kind of gamification, but a useful one, and not too onerous or restricting. Give people 5 slots to start with, and make them "earn" more.

There are in fact lots of good ideas in this thread, many of which do involve some version of gamification.

 

[Sammy Huntsman]

2 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

This is how the idea developed.

 

Oh okay, I was confused!! I thought it was coffee's idea. Lol. Again my bad. 

[Coffee Pancake]

5 minutes ago, Fauve Aeon said:

Book clubs and poetry slams may not be as titillating as the adult content but I think it’s important for varied emphasis to be put on the many, many types of activities that forge connections between people here and generally provide lots of different types fulfillment in SL.

Lets see what we have after 20 years of continual new content and LL stressing all the "better" things people could do in SL

Searches have GMA enabled .. (if I exuded the A results, it was worse)

Welp.. that's going to do it.

5 minutes ago, Fauve Aeon said:

Creative hobbies, purely social gatherings,

Social is too vague and keyword spammed by land barons.

5 minutes ago, Fauve Aeon said:

charity work

I guess hair shopping isn't sex .. although sex might be cheaper and easier on my L$ balance,

5 minutes ago, Fauve Aeon said:

, appreciation of all the arts

I had to turn off A for this one .. i'm sure you can imagine why.

I don't know where you think these better enlightened people are with their activities, but I might I suggest that they aren't in Second Life

5 minutes ago, Fauve Aeon said:

, in addition to sex, clubbing, decorating & shopping…you know - so many of the OTHER things that make up ‘a life’.

It's not a few results ... it's pages and pages and pages.

The numbers don't lie. I'm not just making it up or acting on some vague idea.

 

[Sammy Huntsman]

Just now, Coffee Pancake said:

Lets see what we have after 20 years of continual new content and LL stressing all the "better" things people could do in SL

Searches have GMA enabled .. (if I exuded the A results, it was worse)

Welp.. that's going to do it.

Social is too vague and keyword spammed by land barons.

I guess hair shopping isn't sex .. although sex might be cheaper and easier on my L$ balance,

I had to turn off A for this one .. i'm sure you can imagine why.

I don't know where you think these better enlightened people are with their activities, but I might I suggest that they aren't in Second Life

It's not a few results ... it's pages and pages and pages.

The numbers don't lie. I'm not just making it up or acting on some vague idea.

 

Yeah there may be tonnes, but I don't think everyone is going there. That and it doesn't mean that we need to cut out every demographic save for this one. 

[Hunny Bunny]

1 minute ago, Coffee Pancake said:

I don't know where you think these better enlightened people are with their activities, but I might I suggest that they aren't in Second Life

I have an idea where they all are. 

[Sammy Huntsman]

And again no one is saying that sex is bad, we honestly don't care what these people do. It's their SL. But you went on and on about only serving one demographic and saying screw the other ones. Just to gain new users. Having only one thing being offered to new users, it gets rid of choice. 

[Sammy Huntsman]

2 minutes ago, Hunny Bunny said:

I have an idea where they all are. 

Out enjoying their summer break in RL. 

[Coffee Pancake]

1 minute ago, Sammy Huntsman said:

Yeah there may be tonnes, but I don't think everyone is going there. That and it doesn't mean that we need to cut out every demographic save for this one. 

Full on fingers in your ears.

I'm really glad people have found not-sex things to do on this 3d porn world we have here, it's commendable, really. But to deny that we are in fact, 3d porn world, is mind blowing.

No one mention the sex .. P L E A S E

🙄

[Caeruleiae]

55 minutes ago, Silent Mistwalker said:

You implied that others do think it should go away with the bolded part. Intentionally or unintentionally. 

No, others think it should go away. I don't think ll should take anything away-I think they need to add more to help with retention and cater to more people not less.

When I said that I was replying to someone else who believed that it is something no one would want so therefore not worth having in the viewer at all. Because that person thinks things like slex and the rp type system we were discussing should not be improved by ll.  I think quite the opposite. 

57 minutes ago, Silent Mistwalker said:

Aiming for one (or at one) specific demographic is what will kill SL quicker than anything else. There is already a quite varied demographic as it is so maybe what LL should be asking is what, besides sex, is keeping people logging in after the first session.

Exactly what I was saying with my posts-but you may have to go back and read them because they were specifically discussing rp type systems that do things like beyou-which is another demographic that ll can pay attention to. 

I'm not the person that wants anything to go away or be eliminated. I'm the one that thinks ll should be paying attention to MORE areas of interest to help with retention and not cater to just one-because like you said it will be way more problematic if they do. 

[Sammy Huntsman]

Just now, Coffee Pancake said:

Full on fingers in your ears.

I'm really glad people have found not-sex things to do on this 3d porn world we have here, it's commendable, really. But to deny that we are in fact, 3d porn world, is mind blowing.

No one mention the sex .. P L E A S E

🙄

SL is not entirely a 3D porn world, it is a diverse open world virtual platform. No one has said once to not mention sex. Just that it's not a 3D porn world, just to you. We play our SLs our own way, I use mine to shop explore take pics and dress my avatar. As I said your world, your imagination. So if it's a 3D porn world to you. That is fine. But it's not gonna be it for everyone else. 

[Sammy Huntsman]

1 minute ago, Caeruleiae said:

1 hour ago, Silent Mistwalker said:

You implied that others do think it should go away with the bolded part. Intentionally or unintentionally. 

No, others think it should go away. I don't think ll should take anything away-I think they need to add more to help with retention and cater to more people not less

Where in my sentence did I say it should go away. I think I said I was fine with the user created systems, just not something that is through the viewer. Please do not put words in my mouth. 

[Luna Bliss]

4 minutes ago, Coffee Pancake said:

But to deny that we are in fact, 3d porn world, is mind blowing.

Did I just read that?

It's getting late, I'm kinda drowsy, I might be dreaming.

[Fauve Aeon]

So yep, the sex spots have higher traffic numbers, (never said they didn’t) but your quick and easy search proves the point that sex ads and availability in SL is already well covered and readily available - so why bang the drum for it more when it’s a plentiful and ubiquitous thing? Anyone searching will find what you found, yes? So as many other people in this thread have stated from their actual experience and time on the grid, we and our friends DO participate in the other things going on inworld as well and it’s not a case of ‘more enlightened’ - back to the needs hierarchies after all to bring it full circle - sex as the biological need isn’t fulfilled in the same way on SL - the biological impetus to procreate is missing, and most interpretations put ‘intimacy’ on level 3 with other social things that connect us. So the other social things we mentioned are of a similar value in this paradigm. 

[Sammy Huntsman]

1 minute ago, Luna Bliss said:

Did I just read that?

It's getting late, I'm kinda drowsy, I might be dreaming.

You did just say that. Basically me saying that we don't need to throw away multiple demographics for just one demographic. Is me saying that sex should somehow be hidden and is somehow icky. I never said that, she is just putting words in my mouth. 

[Caeruleiae]

2 minutes ago, Sammy Huntsman said:

Where in my sentence did I say it should go away. I think I said I was fine with the user created systems, just not something that is through the viewer. Please do not put words in my mouth.

I literally said you think they should not be improved by ll. You said-multiple times now-that you think it's overly complicated and should not be added by ll. You also questioned whether or not people would use them. I didn't put words into your mouth. Not everything I stated was about our interaction in this thread. The world-and my comments-do not revolve around a singular person at all times.  Sometimes I combine my thoughts about multiple posts into one reply-especially when I am trying to make my own position more clear for people who think I implied things I didn't. I was clarifying multiple points of my own. Calm down lol.