News on Age Verification in Utah - Would Second Life be impacted?

[Qie Niangao]

The other states wanting such laws may have other reasons, but Utah? Can anyone doubt that every scrap of information submitted as "age verification" will be archived forever at the Family History Library? If it dissuades a few porn-seeking kiddies, that too may be a plus, but surely the real target is adults and their data.

Personally, I'd let the kids go wherever they want and instead screen out anybody of voting age from access to Facebook, Twitter, and TikTok. Sure, some kids will get screwed-up, but that's less scary than the adults screwing up democracy forever.

[Quartz Mole]

I think this thread is drifting some way away from the original topic, which is News on Age Verification in Utah - Would Second Life be impacted?

[Love Zhaoying]

It seems like my original question has been answered fairly well- but with an extremely small (surprisingly so) number of others acknowledging that such laws could or would have an impact on Second Life or its users.

Thanks, @Quartz Mole for helping us get and keep on track!

Edited May 8, 2023 by Love Zhaoying
"so" not "do"

[EliseAnne85]

26 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

extremely small (surprisingly do) number of others acknowledging that such laws could or would have an impact on Second Life or its users.

I said I think it might but it's too early to tell yet as this is all so new.  Really, it's the business owners who need to tell us.  

Edited May 8, 2023 by EliseAnne85

[Ceka Cianci]

I don't think Second life would be impacted too much.. There is about as many people in second life as there is in Utah.

[EliseAnne85]

3 hours ago, Qie Niangao said:

but surely the real target is adults and their data.

I feel this way, too.  I have had accounts with personal data on them but never was 100% comfortable with it.  

I feel all of this could be more to protect the businesses rather than to protect us.  

Not that I disagree with parents having parental control.  I wish there were a way for parents to have better parental controls without infringing on our personal data.  

TV's, movies, the radio all had some control for parents.  Why not the internet too without infringing upon all adults?  But, I wanted to add, I guess with TV, movies, the radio there is no way for someone to contact your child or interact with your child like there is on the internet.  This is the big difference.

Edited May 8, 2023 by EliseAnne85

[Love Zhaoying]

1 minute ago, Ceka Cianci said:

I don't think Second life would be impacted too much.. There is about as many people in second life as there is in Utah.

What I should have asked is, "If other US states and/or countries require so-called 'real age verification' - would that affect Second Life"?  Utah is just a "first glimpse" into what could happen.

 

[Ceka Cianci]

Just now, Love Zhaoying said:

What I should have asked is, "If other US states and/or countries require so-called 'real age verification' - would that affect Second Life"?  Utah is just a "first glimpse" into what could happen.

 

I was just being silly anyways.. I just got home from work and the silly took over..hehehe

[Sid Nagy]

5 hours ago, Love Zhaoying said:

Do we really want children to know where Prim Babies come from?

 

Everyone knows that they are sold on the Marketplace.
No big deal.

Edited May 8, 2023 by Sid Nagy

[Ayashe Ninetails]

1 minute ago, Love Zhaoying said:

What I should have asked is, "If other US states and/or countries require so-called 'real age verification' - would that affect Second Life"?  Utah is just a "first glimpse" into what could happen.

I just read something pretty funny, btw. I won't link the article here because it's a bit too spicy for the forum, but it's up on Vice if interested. The tl;dr is that some sites aren't only requesting actual IDs to verify you, but are relying on "facial analysis," which is about a six-step process for estimating your age. You need a webcam and you have to give the site in question access/permission to use it. Digital ID was the other method tested, and that took the tester almost 52 steps to complete. Downloading a mobile app, scanning a QR code, scanning your face, getting verification codes, creating a PIN, uploading ID, etc. And the face scanning has to be done every time, if you don't make a permanent account.

Despite being a potential disaster on the tech and privacy front, I cannot see people going through allllll of that just to access something like Second Life. There's no way this will last across the Internet, let alone here. That's so nutty. 😄

[Love Zhaoying]

36 minutes ago, Sid Nagy said:

Everyone knows that they are sold on the Marketplace.
No big deal.

...!

I shall not comment on what this makes me think of! But it is indeed sorely tempting!

34 minutes ago, Ayashe Ninetails said:

I just read something pretty funny, btw. I won't link the article here because it's a bit too spicy for the forum, but it's up on Vice if interested. The tl;dr is that some sites aren't only requesting actual IDs to verify you, but are relying on "facial analysis," which is about a six-step process for estimating your age. You need a webcam and you have to give the site in question access/permission to use it. Digital ID was the other method tested, and that took the tester almost 52 steps to complete. Downloading a mobile app, scanning a QR code, scanning your face, getting verification codes, creating a PIN, uploading ID, etc. And the face scanning has to be done every time, if you don't make a permanent account.

Despite being a potential disaster on the tech and privacy front, I cannot see people going through allllll of that just to access something like Second Life. There's no way this will last across the Internet, let alone here. That's so nutty. 😄

Maybe a good use-case for one of those "William Shatner/Captain Kirk masks" that were originally re-purposed for the Michael Myers masks in the Halloween series! 

ETA: A better idea would be the "Guy Fawkes" mask from "V for Vendetta"!

Edited May 8, 2023 by Love Zhaoying

[EliseAnne85]

4 hours ago, Ayashe Ninetails said:

I just read something pretty funny, btw. I won't link the article here because it's a bit too spicy for the forum, but it's up on Vice if interested. The tl;dr is that some sites aren't only requesting actual IDs to verify you, but are relying on "facial analysis," which is about a six-step process for estimating your age. You need a webcam and you have to give the site in question access/permission to use it. Digital ID was the other method tested, and that took the tester almost 52 steps to complete. Downloading a mobile app, scanning a QR code, scanning your face, getting verification codes, creating a PIN, uploading ID, etc. And the face scanning has to be done every time, if you don't make a permanent account.

Despite being a potential disaster on the tech and privacy front, I cannot see people going through allllll of that just to access something like Second Life. There's no way this will last across the Internet, let alone here. That's so nutty. 😄

It is beyond nutty.  Now if they could only get our fingerprint, too, we'll be all good to go (and cry).  

[Ayashe Ninetails]

34 minutes ago, EliseAnne85 said:

It is beyond nutty.  Now if they could only get our fingerprint, too, we'll be all good to go (and cry).  

😂Give it time!

[Love Zhaoying]

3 hours ago, Ayashe Ninetails said:

😂Give it time!

Yep- since many phones and notebook computers already have fingerprint readers. This could easily be an alternative instead of a face scan. Biometrics! How early 20th Century. We've also had recent threads that discussed using "voice prints". 

Edited May 9, 2023 by Love Zhaoying

[Anna Nova]

14 hours ago, Rowan Amore said:

There was, briefly, an age verification process.  Most of the articles are no longer available to read.  It was in 2009, IIRC when Zindra was created.

Age verification - Second Life Wiki

Oh shiii....   was it that long ago.  I must be getting old.  I was <number less than 18> at the time....

[Love Zhaoying]

Idea: Kind of like a CAPTCHA / "find all the motorcycles" test, age verification could be done via 1-question quiz that determines GenX / Mill / Boom / Genz!

[Ayashe Ninetails]

5 hours ago, Love Zhaoying said:

Idea: Kind of like a CAPTCHA / "find all the motorcycles" test, age verification could be done via 1-question quiz that determines GenX / Mill / Boom / Genz!

Ahhh, the Leisure Suit Larry method. That used to work back in the day maybe, but now that all of the generations hang out together online, it's probably less effective. I'm fluent enough in generational slang and random knowledge to trip that up. No cap. Aight, Imma head out. Catch you on the flip side. Later, home skillet. 🤣

[Love Zhaoying]

18 minutes ago, Ayashe Ninetails said:

Later, home skillet.

"Order in for scattered, smothered, covered, chunked, and topped!"

Speaking of "Combos"..could do a "combination" biometric test:  fingerprint, facial scan..

The movie GATTACA had it right. Instant DNA testing.

Someday there will be an instant "age of your DNA" test. Kids will have to steal their parent's DNA to pass the test (like in GATTACA). *Edit* Found articles on that!

(..also, "telomerse" (i.e., "telomerase") is the term I was trying to remember just now.)

Imagine: Sitting at your PC, and only being able to login to Second Life or your favorite "adult Social Media" site after placing your thumb/finger (assuming you have those) onto a test pad - not for "fingerprint scan" but for instant DNA testing!

Edited May 9, 2023 by Love Zhaoying

[Lindal Kidd]

There's one big fail for this law: they don't define what "social media" is.

Hey, I know! Everybody, we should now all refer to Second Life as....

 

 

...a game.

[Love Zhaoying]

1 minute ago, Lindal Kidd said:

...a game.

I see what you did, there!

[Innula Zenovka]

1 hour ago, Lindal Kidd said:

There's one big fail for this law: they don't define what "social media" is.

Hey, I know! Everybody, we should now all refer to Second Life as....

 

 

...a game.

I know you're setting up a joke there, but the bill does define social media,

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159          (8) "Social media company" means a person or entity that:
160          (a) provides a social media platform that has at least 5,000,000 account holders
161     worldwide; and
162          (b) is an interactive computer service.
163          (9) (a) "Social media platform" means an online forum that a social media company
164     makes available for an account holder to:
165          (i) create a profile;
166          (ii) upload posts;
167          (iii) view the posts of other account holders; and
168          (iv) interact with other account holders or users.

and also provides a long list of things that aren't social media, including

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191          (F) interactive gaming, virtual gaming, or an online service, that allows the creation
192     and uploading of content for the purpose of interactive gaming, edutainment, or associated
193     entertainment, and the communication related to that content;

So, one way or another, I really don't think this legislation should give either LL or us residents much cause for concern.

[Love Zhaoying]

2 minutes ago, Innula Zenovka said:

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   (F) interactive gaming, virtual gaming, or an online service, that allows the creation
192     and uploading of content for the purpose of interactive gaming, edutainment, or associated
193     entertainment, and the communication related to that content;

So, one way or another, I really don't think this legislation should give either LL or us residents much cause for concern.

See the other thread, about the new "Official Gaming".

So.. maybe that's why the new "Official Gaming" was added so quickly? 

"Nope, we am not Social Media! AM NOT!!! WE IZ GAME!1!"

[Innula Zenovka]

3 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

See the other thread, about the new "Official Gaming".

So.. maybe that's why the new "Official Gaming" was added so quickly? 

"Nope, we am not Social Media! AM NOT!!! WE IZ GAME!1!"

[Love Zhaoying]

19 minutes ago, Innula Zenovka said:

Just jealous of my stylish tinfoil hat!

[Innula Zenovka]

4 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

Just jealous of my stylish tinfoil hat!