Luna Bliss Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 I am very suspicious I say, of anyone who wants to do things with a boat, after that other now-closed thread. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindal Kidd Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 (edited) @diamond Marchant, I think you misunderstood my point. Yes, absolutely, the price of a Horizons parcel is a huge barrier to entry. But that's not what I was suggesting. You suggested that there be a "Premium Porn Plus" option, and I assumed that you were fine with this option costing something more than the current Moderate Premium Plus. So, let's say the Adult option costs $5.00 more per month, $60 more per year. Over time, that would equate to the current "buy in" price of a Horizons parcel. More money for LL, but relatively painless for the customers. Edited July 21, 2022 by Lindal Kidd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GamblinFreak Posted July 21, 2022 Author Share Posted July 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said: I am very suspicious I say, of anyone who wants to do things with a boat, after that other now-closed thread. lol I'm scare to ask what that thread was about 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, GamblinFreak said: 9 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said: I am very suspicious I say, of anyone who wants to do things with a boat, after that other now-closed thread. lol I'm scare to ask what that thread was about It was about a bad bad boat. I dare not speak its name any longer. LOL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamond Marchant Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, Lindal Kidd said: @diamond Marchant, I think you misunderstood my point. Yes, absolutely, the price of a Horizons parcel is a huge barrier to entry. But that's not what I was suggesting. You suggested that there be a "Premium Porn Plus" option, and I assumed that you were fine with this option costing something more than the current Moderate Premium Plus. So, let's say the Adult option costs $5.00 more per month, $60 more per year. Over time, that would equate to the current "buy in" price of a Horizons parcel. More money for LL, but relatively painless for the customers. Linden Homes lower the "upfront" cost, which is the entry barrier. Also, an adult premium plan could cost the same as Premium or Premium Plus, who knows? I have no idea if Adult regions incur higher expenses. It is possible that the cost of governance might be less, as one might expect less ARs for "deviant" behavior 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GamblinFreak Posted July 21, 2022 Author Share Posted July 21, 2022 8 minutes ago, diamond Marchant said: I disagree. Linden Homes are about LOWERING the barriers to entry. Horizons have an EXTREMELY HIGH barrier to entry in that it costs in the $450US to $1400US range to get in. Horizons parcels were sold or auctioned off... not "rented" out in the same way as a linden home is when you have premium. Having an adult premium option in linden homes would interest many who seek out expensive alternatives only because they were not given the choice to do otherwise. Parcels in Horizons are ridiculously priced but worth the investment if you like sci-fi and can find a nice parcel. The ton of visitor centers everywhere is a bit of a turn off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindal Kidd Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 What, am I suddenly speaking Russian today, or using a Sanskrit font? My comment was not meant to advocate for Horizons parcels, or to debate the cost of Premium or Premium Plus. Diamond suggested that maybe there could be some sort of Adult version of Linden Homes, and all I did was point out that there ARE some Adult homes (Horizons) that are similar in many respects to Linden Homes. So go look at those, and their success or failure, their strong points and weak points. That should give you (and maybe LL) some insight into whether an Adult Premium plan would be an option worth further investigation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skepwith Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 1 hour ago, GamblinFreak said: You are most definitely not the MAJORITY... lol not at all. the majority of sl is right now doing rl things offline or is online on sl partying, forming relationships, or running a business, not here in a forum with their noses upturned believing they represent the average sl user lol I mean yeah the forums can be pretty stupid but you're posting here too buddy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleMe Jewell Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 16 hours ago, Coffee Pancake said: There are strong social arguments for adult rated linden homes that go far beyond literal rules interpretations and being able to "do the deed on the front lawn". To suggest that willfully ignores just how many private adult regions LL have sold, why adult private regions are the only type to see growth, and why the vast majority of them are not overtly about sex at all. True, the land isn't rated Adult due to sex, most of the time. I think a lot of the Adult region designations are because the region owners are not 100% sure of what must and must not be on Adult land versus Moderate land. Art work showing nipples is allowed on Moderate land, but many folks do not understand that. Many also think that the land must be Adult in order to have adult furniture. Hell, I've encountered folks that thought they couldn't even have sex inside their house on Moderate land. Then there is the whole issue of rules around child avatars that many don't understand and/or just don't want to take chances on. Rather than just creating more Adult land, maybe LL should work on educating folks on what IS allowed on Moderate land. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleMe Jewell Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, GamblinFreak said: stating how hard it is to create a continent or make adult regions has no merit when the same hard work is needed for moderate regions and continents that have been created for linden homes. Just as it is in any linden home region, there would be a covenant that would have to be followed. An adult region of linden homes is harder than a moderate region? Am i mistaken that everyone who purchase premium and reside in moderate regions are adults? so once again... why isnt there adult belli regions or an adult continent of linden homes? Second Life would definitely profit from adult premium regions. They can't just make copies of existing regions and change them to Adult -- there are other settings that have to go along with all of that. And, as Abnor already mentioned, it would require additional coding in the backend, since it is basically a new set of things to pick from on the Get Your Linden Home page -- and if said Premium user has their settings to General only or General & Moderate only, then you have to exclude the Adult listing from the choices. Likely tons of other things that I haven't thought of yet -- because we already know that that lots of the backend code is a nightmare to deal with. ETA: And holy crap, how did you folks do this many pages on this topic in such a short time? Edited July 21, 2022 by LittleMe Jewell 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Huntsman Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 Why would we need adult premium? I feel like its a way to hide adult content behind a paywall. And I may not like SL sex and the stuff included with it. But I think its the stupidest idea ever. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 3 hours ago, Ceka Cianci said: Grandpa!! Grandma!! Noooooooooooo!! Why you do this outside all the time!! \o/ Because easy cleanup - garden hose! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 22 minutes ago, skepwith said: I mean yeah the forums can be pretty stupid but you're posting here too buddy I'm a need a shower to wash off all teh dum! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skepwith Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 See, the real problem here is that people don't get to know their neighbors anymore. You want the neighbors to watch, that's fine, nothing wrong with that. Just go over with an apple pie and introduce yourself, and say, "Ya know, me 'n the missus would be delighted if you ever wanted to just pop over unannounced and observe us as we engage in adult activities." Extend the necessary group membership and/or security whitelisting, whatever. I think the existing Newbrooke homes have the right kinda 70s retro-modern vibe to juice this sort of scene, I say it's just a matter of finding the right neighbors. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleMe Jewell Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Ceka Cianci said: I'm wondering what good would adult rated Linden homes do anyways? Only premium members could access those places.. 1 hour ago, MoiraKathleen said: While only premium members can obtain a Linden Home, you do not have to be a premium member to visit any of the Linden home regions. I could actually see some enterprising folks figure out a way to rent Adult Linden Homes, despite whatever the rules are. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleMe Jewell Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 46 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said: It was about a bad bad boat. I dare not speak its name any longer. LOL Maybe I shouldn't have stopped reading that thread after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GamblinFreak Posted July 21, 2022 Author Share Posted July 21, 2022 9 minutes ago, LittleMe Jewell said: They can't just make copies of existing regions and change them to Adult -- there are other settings that have to go along with all of that. u know this how? if private regions have any indications of what it takes to make regions adult moderate or general, it only takes the click of a button. Planning is the only thing that seems to be needed. I know a lot goes into any roll out of linden homes, but to say that being adult makes it more complicated .... until you show me your proof that you have I'll continue to ask... why is there not an adult premium option? lol 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skepwith Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 1 minute ago, GamblinFreak said: u know this how? if private regions have any indications of what it takes to make regions adult moderate or general, it only takes the click of a button. Planning is the only thing that seems to be needed. I know a lot goes into any roll out of linden homes, but to say that being adult makes it more complicated .... until you show me your proof that you have I'll continue to ask... why is there not an adult premium option? lol Continue to ask whom? The forums that you think are stupid? lmao ok 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleMe Jewell Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 8 minutes ago, skepwith said: See, the real problem here is that people don't get to know their neighbors anymore. You want the neighbors to watch, that's fine, nothing wrong with that. Just go over with an apple pie and introduce yourself, and say, "Ya know, me 'n the missus would be delighted if you ever wanted to just pop over unannounced and observe us as we engage in adult activities." Extend the necessary group membership and/or security whitelisting, whatever. I think the existing Newbrooke homes have the right kinda 70s retro-modern vibe to juice this sort of scene, I say it's just a matter of finding the right neighbors. https://genius.com/Tonedeff-shag-lyrics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleMe Jewell Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 7 minutes ago, GamblinFreak said: u know this how? if private regions have any indications of what it takes to make regions adult moderate or general, it only takes the click of a button. Planning is the only thing that seems to be needed. I know a lot goes into any roll out of linden homes, but to say that being adult makes it more complicated .... until you show me your proof that you have I'll continue to ask... why is there not an adult premium option? lol From this thread comment:https://community.secondlife.com/forums/topic/480031-new-region-idea-an-adult-region/?do=findComment&comment=2383088 On 12/1/2021 at 9:54 AM, Abnor Mole said: Without getting into the debate between those who do or do not enjoy "adult activities", keep in mind the technical aspects of building an Adult rated (or a complete General rated) Linden Homes is quite daunting. It's not as if everything can be cloned in 20 minutes, change a few region estate settings and Bob's your uncle. Adult regions cannot connect to the moderate and general regions of mainland. It would have to be its own separate land mass built for that purpose. On top of all that there is all the changes/testing/rollout to the website and home assignment system required so it can even be an option. All for what realistically amounts to little more than the ability for resident to be able to "do the deed" in plain view of passers by (or in the case of a general rating, removing the allowance of any adult content at all). While saying we could build one (or both) is theoretically true, just realize it's not that simple of a task as many might assume. It's actually a very huge ask. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arielle Popstar Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, GamblinFreak said: u know this how? if private regions have any indications of what it takes to make regions adult moderate or general, it only takes the click of a button. Planning is the only thing that seems to be needed. I know a lot goes into any roll out of linden homes, but to say that being adult makes it more complicated .... until you show me your proof that you have I'll continue to ask... why is there not an adult premium option? lol The point is that is simply no need of a specially designated Adult region because you can do the same things in an Moderate one as you can an Adult one. Compare S/L to a VW like IMVU for example where there is an payment required for an Access Pass where one has to pay $15 for any account to see Adult content and be allowed to visit an Adult designated area. If r/l laws or the Lab's ToS change and become stricter in what an actual Adult can see and participate in, then no doubt there would be a large demand for specially designated Adult regions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Bunny Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 Have you even been to Bellisseria? People are perfectly happy setting up their dungeons at ground level, and their hot tubs in the back yard, so what exactly do you think you're going to get in an adult LH region that you can't currently get in the moderate ones? The only thing I can think of is adult animations in the street furniture, which... no, not really worth inventing an entirely new continent for. You're a premium member, you're perfectly capable of purchasing your own orgy bench or whatever it is you're so desperate for the Lindens to give you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Huntsman Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said: The point is that is simply no need of a specially designated Adult region because you can do the same things in an Moderate one as you can an Adult one. Compare S/L to a VW like IMVU for example where there is an payment required for an Access Pass where one has to pay $15 for any account to see Adult content and be allowed to visit an Adult designated area. If r/l laws or the Lab's ToS change and become stricter in what an actual Adult can see and participate in, then no doubt there would be a large demand for specially designated Adult regions. Yes and SL would see a massive decrease in their user base. If you put adult stuff behind a paywall or you took the IMVU model and basically made people pay to enjoy certain things. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arielle Popstar Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Sammy Huntsman said: Yes and SL would see a massive decrease in their user base. If you put adult stuff behind a paywall or you took the IMVU model and basically made people pay to enjoy certain things. Maybe or maybe not but the point to remember is that the Lab is in this for the money, not necessarily the size of the userbase outside of using the numbers to attract more of those who actually pay and add to the economy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GamblinFreak Posted July 21, 2022 Author Share Posted July 21, 2022 do not know what this "paywall" is you're referring to and WHY would there be a decrease because others opt to live in an adult community that has NOTHING to do with your moderate community? Never meant to imply its an easy task, however neither is any of the linden home new releases. so why is there no adult opiton? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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