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2 minutes ago, Chroma Starlight said:

No amount of magical thinking is going to turn this experimental mRNA therapy into an immunization.

Oh and if it isn't one, as you say, then ALL of your posts in this topic are, well....OFF TOPIC.

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12 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:

Oh and if it isn't one

Why do you believe it is? Wouldn't there need to be some evidence to support that claim? But they've been purposefully NOT LOOKING.

 

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CDC Scaled Back Hunt for Breakthrough Cases Just as the Delta Variant Grew

By  Drew Armstrong, Rebecca Torrence, and Fiona Rutherford
July 30, 2021, 11:56 AM MST

The U.S. agency leading the fight against Covid-19 gave up a crucial surveillance tool tracking the effectiveness of vaccines just as a troublesome new variant of the virus was emerging. 

While the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention stopped comprehensively tracking what are known as vaccine breakthrough cases in May, the consequences of that choice are only now beginning to show.

(from https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-07-30/cdc-scaled-back-hunt-for-breakthrough-cases-just-as-the-delta-variant-grew )

 

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Breakthrough Covid cases: Data shows how many vaccinated Americans have tested positive
July 30, 2021, 12:42 PM MST / Updated July 30, 2021, 2:05 PM MST
By Laura Strickler

WASHINGTON — At least 125,000 fully vaccinated Americans have tested positive for Covid and 1,400 of those have died, according to data collected by NBC News.

But the total number of breakthrough cases is likely higher than 125,683, since nine states, including Pennsylvania and Missouri, did not provide any information, while 11, like Covid hotspot Florida, did not provide death and hospitalization totals. Four states gave death and hospitalization numbers, but not the full tally of cases.

And vaccinated adults who have breakthrough cases but show no symptoms could be missing from the data altogether, say officials. Some state officials said that they could not be sure the vaccinated individuals had died from Covid-19 or from other causes.

Breakthrough cases among the elderly were more likely to be serious, according to available data. In Washington state, 27 of the 52 people who died were known to be associated with long-term care facilities, according to state information. In Louisiana, the median age of those with severe outcomes was 73.

For other states that publish data like Utah, it's clear breakthrough cases have accelerated in the past two months. In Utah on June 2, 2021, just 27 or 8 percent of the 312 new cases in the state were breakthrough cases. As of July 26 there were 519 new cases and almost 20 percent or 94 were breakthroughs, according to state data.

CDC's most recent published data says that as of July 26 there have been 6,587 hospitalizations among fully vaccinated Americans and 1,263 deaths. Research by NBC News indicates that the number who have been hospitalized or died has already passed 7,300 in just the 30 states providing data.

While some states track breakthrough cases meticulously, others — like Missouri, where cases are surging — lack "quality statewide data," according to state officials. Other states are choosing to only release partial data.

Robert Long, spokesperson for Maine Department of Health and Human Services, said, "Those who have been fully vaccinated and have a breakthrough case but are not symptomatic and not part of a regular testing protocol may never be captured in these numbers."

Critics of the agency like former FDA Commissioner Scott Gottlieb, said federal officials are failing to capture the overall scope of infection of Covid cases. Gottlieb told CNBC Friday, "I suspect probably one in 10 infections is actually getting reported."

(from https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/breakthrough-covid-cases-least-125-000-fully-vaccinated-americans-have-n1275500 )

 

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Just now, Chroma Starlight said:

No amount of magical thinking is going to turn this experimental mRNA therapy into an immunization.

and no amount of paranoid conspiracy theorizing is going to turn it into anything short of a scientific miracle.

There is one germ of truth in some of these posts: we now know that vaccinated people can spread (a variant of) the virus to each other and to the unvaccinated. They're much less effective at it than are the unvaccinated, but it happens. It's also true that the relative success of different variants eventually will be affected by the fact that most of the population is vaccinated. In the long, long run that might be expected to favor dominant virus strains to which the vaccinated are selectively more vulnerable but so far, the variants grow dominant regardless of the vaccination status of victims: they're just much more contagious, and given enough cases would have arisen with or without any vaccinated subjects at all. That current situation isn't surprising, considering the virus has had less than two years to evolve transmission among humans.

And while this virus is still in its relative infancy, it's going to mutate enough that new, variant-specific booster shots are likely to be needed for a while. "A while" does not extrapolate to "always" for this particular virus. Certainly, however, there will be new viruses, demanding new vaccines, so the species better keep shortening that vaccine response time, including quicker methods to safely elevate experimental to accepted status.

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41 minutes ago, Chroma Starlight said:

it's just too much trouble to expect a non-failed version of your government to implement the WHO's pandemic guidance?

From the WHO website YOU cited,

Equitable access to safe and effective vaccines is critical to ending the COVID-19 pandemic, so it is hugely encouraging to see so many vaccines proving and going into development. WHO is working tirelessly with partners to develop, manufacture and deploy safe and effective vaccines. 

Safe and effective vaccines are a game-changing tool: but for the foreseeable future we must continue wearing masks, cleaning our hands, ensuring good ventilation indoors, physically distancing and avoiding crowds. 

Being vaccinated does not mean that we can throw caution to the wind and put ourselves and others at risk, particularly because research is still ongoing into how much vaccines protect not only against disease but also against infection and transmission.

See WHO’s landscape of COVID-19 vaccine candidates for the latest information on vaccines in clinical and pre-clinical development, generally updated twice a week. WHO’s COVID-19 dashboard, updated daily, also features the number of vaccine doses administered globally.

But it’s not vaccines that will stop the pandemic, it’s vaccination. We must ensure fair and equitable access to vaccines, and ensure every country receives them and can roll them out to protect their people, starting with the most vulnerable.

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