The hype about afk clubs?

[Love Zhaoying]

3 minutes ago, Drakonadrgora Darkfold said:

Sl is 'not' a fantasy to everyone the fact that some of you cannot understand this is just sad really. the fact that you think they have to act or behave or think or feel as you do about sl is equally crazy.

So..is Second Life "fantasy" or "reality" to you? 

Are you defending those who are unable to tell "fantasy" from "reality"?  I prefer to make fun of them as, they could get a good book or something. SL may not be the place for them.

[Amina Sopwith]

3 minutes ago, Drakonadrgora Darkfold said:

Sl is 'not' a fantasy to everyone the fact that some of you cannot understand this is just sad really.

Everyone understands that. They are warning you against playing as if everyone is prepared to take that on board when interacting with you. They are also warning you against immersing yourself to the point where you truly lose sight of the fact that you are not really a dragon in a dark Gothic BDSM story. On that path lies actual insanity. 

[Drakonadrgora Darkfold]

1 minute ago, Love Zhaoying said:

So..is Second Life "fantasy" or "reality" to you? 

Are you defending those who are unable to tell "fantasy" from "reality"?  I prefer to make fun of them as, they could get a good book or something. SL may not be the place for them.

to me there is no difference. I am here what I am in rl. I dont mask my emotions or feelings. I dont disassociate from reality just because its virtual. i may not look like a dragon in rl, but that is the only difference between me here in sl and me in rl.

it has nothing to do with not being able to tell if something is fantasy, it has the everything to do with not everyone sees everything the same as others, and when those who do see it as just fantasy clash against those that dont, things will go wrong.

some believe sl=/=rl.. but for some sl==rl but with just a different look and nothing else different.

[Lyssa Greymoon]

14 hours ago, Zidaya Zenovka said:

I can't help feeling like certain folks in this thread are casting a lot of judgment towards people who hang out in/use these places.

Mine is more of a shot at people who go to interactive places and act like it's an AFK joint. 

[Drakonadrgora Darkfold]

2 minutes ago, Amina Sopwith said:

Everyone understands that. They are warning you against playing as if everyone is prepared to take that on board when interacting with you. They are also warning you against immersing yourself to the point where you truly lose sight of the fact that you are not really a dragon in a dark Gothic BDSM story. On that path lies actual insanity. 

I know I am not a dragon in real life. I am fully aware of that.  but as stated if I was there would be a few less people around and no it wouldn't bother me of that outcome either. I dont have to like anyone or forgive or forget or tolerate or excuse of validate any behavior from anyone here. 

as I stated above when the two types of people come together it often ends bad. because to one its all just a game and nothing more. that everyone here is just a npc or even an nipc to them and its all just about their own desires.

when to the other, everything done here does matter, that its not a game or fake or fantasy or make believe, that they dont change who they are or how they react just because they are online. that they are just a real here as they would be if met in real life.

those who see that is disdainful are actually the ones with the real issues, needing to escape from reality and not caring how their actions might affect others. they show themselves for the truth of what they really are deep inside.

in rl if you pissed me off I would tell you without a hesitation. get me angry enough I would make you leave and not care even if you had driven hours or days or had to fly to see me. you would no longer be welcome at that point. I dont put up with that kind of bs I dont have too. but some people like to think its their right to act in that manner and the other person has to just accept it.. especially when its online.. total bs.

[Wulfie Reanimator]

4 hours ago, Drakonadrgora Darkfold said:

Sl is 'not' a fantasy to everyone the fact that some of you cannot understand this is just sad really. the fact that you think they have to act or behave or think or feel as you do about sl is equally crazy.

call me anti-social if you wish it doesn't really bother me. not everyone is a socialite that cares what everyone else thinks all the time.

No, trust me, you're like an externalization of my own thought process. I make the same arguments as you to myself and have the same internal discussion about this topic and I fully understand the point you are making, but as usual you're using hyperbolic arguments that go beyond what you mean, or what I think your point is, or you're being as uncharitable as ever when it comes to the opinions of others, taking them either extremely literally or applying your own implications to their words. (The same thing that causes you to accuse others of "putting words in your mouth.")

Second Life is not real life. Anything that happens to your avatar in SL has no physical effect on you. That's an undeniable, literal statement of fact. If you genuinely disagree, you are crazy.

However, humans have complex minds. The things that they experience through a virtual platform (insults, harassment, griefing, "having their avatar abused," etc) does have an effect on the mind, as even people who don't identify with their avatar will find it annoying (to the point of becoming upset/enraged/stressed/depressed) when they are personally experiencing someone else saying or doing mean things directed at them. They don't just think "that fictional game-character is just insulting this fictional game-character I'm controlling on the screen," more often than not they read the word "you" and interpret it as one's self (unless it's clearly established to be roleplay or something). It goes even deeper than that, and although you could "just log off," that doesn't always solve the problem when it stems from personal friends/relationships who you might keep contact with even outside of SL.

Even this website isn't "real," it's just text on the screen, yet people's behavior is often real-ly affected by what is posted because we don't always have an objective separation between the physical and the virtual. I don't think we even should.

So you are right, it's not just fantasy as we are personally experiencing the things that happen. But if you think that your avatar is literally you, as in "weapons should be banned because only violent people would use them" or "child avatars need protection from predators" as if they were actual children, you're disconnected from the actual reality where SL-violence is safe and no child avatar is an actual child of the same age.

It is more nuanced than "you obviously just don't understand."

Acknowledging that "SL isn't real" doesn't inherently mean that the people who know it are somehow acting "different" from how they would act in real life or being inconsiderate of other avatars. Some do, some don't, some do sometimes, some only change a few things such as their gender but keep their personality exactly as they are. Your opinion is expectedly black-and-white yet again, just like everything else you've said.

Me calling you anti-social is not intended as an insult either, and I definitely don't consider myself a "socialite." But you're going so hard with trying to express your opinion that you can't see how you're saying something totally different from what I think you intend to say.

4 hours ago, Drakonadrgora Darkfold said:

oh I know full well how I speak and how it makes people react, and sometimes its those reactions that are desired it makes them show their true personality for others to see.

Yes, sometimes it's fun to poke people. I often make arguments I don't necessarily agree with (which is an exercise in empathy and open-mindedness in itself) in order to coax a more nuanced opinion from people, or to see how far their opinion goes. But I think you're giving yourself too much credit for that, whether to ignore or excuse your own poor style of arguing.

Edited July 9, 2020 by Wulfie Reanimator

[Lillith Hapmouche]

Someone here started with a rather cool "I point and laugh at your absurd drama and far fetched comparisons, cry and scream as loud as you wish, I don't care" attitude, went on to "respect my self-fulfilling authority, I'm Methusalem of the Internetz, I've seen it all and know it all... respect me already, why don't you?!?" to full blown "you racist, careless, heartless ****tards, you hurt my feelings, you have no clue of empathy, people are hurting" absurdness... sad loss.

[Rowan Amore]

On 7/8/2020 at 11:41 PM, Drakonadrgora Darkfold said:

just because you have not had it done does not mean its not ever been done. It did happen at times. and would leave people coming back to read it to only wish they hadn't..

and another less know bit of experience.. not all the of the so called afk avatars were afk the entire time there.. some where there reading it as it happened..

so its not all just presumptions as you might want to think or try and claim.

some even had owners that made them stay there and not emote back and then report back every little detail of what was said or done to them. as a way to train them to be more open and biddable and usable by others. and they could not just leave of they would be punished for it later.

if they just wanted interactive porn there are better sources for that then using SL.

Punished how, exactly?  

[Pussycat Catnap]

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and another less know bit of experience.. not all the of the so called afk avatars were afk the entire time there.. some where there reading it as it happened..

so its not all just presumptions as you might want to think or try and claim.

some even had owners that made them stay there and not emote back and then report back every little detail of what was said or done to them. as a way to train them to be more open and biddable and usable by others. and they could not just leave of they would be punished for it later.

This thread got like...

And i'm like...

[Wulfie Reanimator]

@Pussycat Catnap Here you go.