The hype about afk clubs?

[LipstickSuccubus]

This isn't a knock against people who participate in it (You do you!)  I been trying it lately I can SOMEWHAT see why people put themselves up to it (easy lindens DUH!) .....olny downside is it takes a lot of patience and a night or two may go by and you sill have nothing plus you may get used and not tipped. But on the other side the people that come to.use....why do you enjoy it? Do you enjoy just watching some redundant animation? Is there a charm to having nobody there to interact with you instead of just playing a regular sex game online? Once again this isn't to bash anyone it's just a serious question....Is there something I'm missing?

[Cindy Evanier]

15 minutes ago, LipstickSuccubus said:

This isn't a knock against people who participate in it (You do you!)  I been trying it lately I can SOMEWHAT see why people put themselves up to it (easy lindens DUH!) .....olny downside is it takes a lot of patience and a night or two may go by and you sill have nothing plus you may get used and not tipped. But on the other side the people that come to.use....why do you enjoy it? Do you enjoy just watching some redundant animation? Is there a charm to having nobody there to interact with you instead of just playing a regular sex game online? Once again this isn't to bash anyone it's just a serious question....Is there something I'm missing?

I thought the hype died down.  In the past there were tons of threads about AFK clubs.

Depending on how this thread runs out you might want to ask the mods to move it to the Adult Forums though.

[Pussycat Catnap]

I think the AFK clubs largely went AFK...

They're still out there, but there's not much point.

90% of visitors just stand in the landing point gawking. Either they're there to note "OMG look at how scandalous", or they're "mental limp-d*cks" that are so Incel they can't even handle an AFK avatar and so they just sit there and try and work up the nerve to 'hop on'...

90% of the traffic is the AFK bot-girls (and odd boy) that are... AFK... but very handy for spiking traffic and your venue can rightly say "these aren't bots, this isn't a bot farm, they're all logged in avatars"...

90% of the bot-girls look the same anyway...

90% of the advertising is to other AFK joints with the exact same problems.

90% of the furniture is the same random crap everyone else is using, without any customization.

90% of the venues look like some low-rent red light spot with way too many billboards.

 

It's even lamer than your typical 'free-sex' joint...

 

[Kimmi Zehetbauer]

I remember some clubs will have dance bots to up the traffic numbers in the search.

Although I thought AFK clubs were ones were people park their avis and do something else, like a mostly empty club my man used to DJ at. That particular place it was many avis from members of one family.

Edited July 7, 2020 by Kimmi Zehetbauer
Old age.

[Amina Sopwith]

Didn't know there was hype any more...I thought it was quite passe now, and largely failed to make people zillionaires even in its heyday. 

[Bree Giffen]

The new thing in SL is discrete events stimulation clubs. There’s a whole new thread on it now that you should check out. Something about going outside of a SL for external stimulation but apparently it can be done entirely in SL too. 

[Lindal Kidd]

Uh...I'm guessing your tongue is stuck in your cheek, Bree.

In case it's not, that's "external SIMULATION" and it has nothing to do with sex, either inside or outside SL.  Discrete event simulation, according to Wikipedia, "models the operation of a system as a (discrete) sequence of events in time. Each event occurs at a particular instant in time and marks a change of state in the system."  It's a way of analyzing the flow of events, for example a queue of customers, a manufacturing process, or a traffic flow.

[LipstickSuccubus]

3 hours ago, Pussycat Catnap said:

I think the AFK clubs largely went AFK...

They're still out there, but there's not much point.

90% of visitors just stand in the landing point gawking. Either they're there to note "OMG look at how scandalous", or they're "mental limp-d*cks" that are so Incel they can't even handle an AFK avatar and so they just sit there and try and work up the nerve to 'hop on'...

90% of the traffic is the AFK bot-girls (and odd boy) that are... AFK... but very handy for spiking traffic and your venue can rightly say "these aren't bots, this isn't a bot farm, they're all logged in avatars"...

90% of the bot-girls look the same anyway...

90% of the advertising is to other AFK joints with the exact same problems.

90% of the furniture is the same random crap everyone else is using, without any customization.

90% of the venues look like some low-rent red light spot with way too many billboards.

 

It's even lamer than your typical 'free-sex' joint...

 

Thats what i was thinking..shoot i could find/download a free sex game and play that if i wanted this soo much maybe an adult mod for the sims....

[Lindal Kidd]

Yeah, but SL is so much better than the Sims!

[Lyssa Greymoon]

You won't get dumped for putting no effort into the playtime.

[Zidaya Zenovka]

I can't help feeling like certain folks in this thread are casting a lot of judgment towards people who hang out in/use these places. For a lot of folks like me it's fun to watch avatars go at it. I like taking screenshots of my sexy avatars having sex and I don't want to have to go through the trouble of making a second account. If it helps someone get some extra coin more power to them. I get to enjoy myself, someone else gets a bit of spare change. I do see the issue with people coming in for a look-see but I don't get how it's fair to call them incels. Some people are like I was when I first found sl-still figuring themselves out and lacking confidence. It's not a crime nor does it mean you're not a good person.

Anyways I still see a few around that seem fairly active. It's like anything else in SL-this isn't a popular platform anymore and hasn't been for well over a decade. There just aren't as many people around. 

[Tari Landar]

5 hours ago, Drakonadrgora Darkfold said:

The real reason afk sims were a thing is it gave the narcissist a place to play and use and abuse helpless docile individuals that could not and would not fight back or disobey. It allowed the emotionally immature and insecure a way to just use someone for their own pleasure without having to care what the other person may have thought about what they did or why.

 

AFK sims are not my thing, they never have been, never will be.....I don't judge those for whom they are, however, not my place (or anyone's for that matter). I do know some folks who enjoy them, though, for all kinds of reasons, both visitors and those parking themselves there for others to enjoy. 

That said, anyone and everyone that parks themselves at an AFK sim (whether they are truly AFK or not), does so, 100% WILLINGLY and with complete and utter consent to have done to their avatar whatever is available at that location to visitors. There should never be any doubt otherwise, as no one is there unwillingly...no one. Why are you putting a victim card on those people that they neither asked for, nor do they even remotely desire (and yes, I've asked, you're not the first to make such wild accusations). They are not victims being used and abused, they're willing participants, for whatever very valid reason(s) they so choose, none of which any of us has any right to suggest aren't valid.  Some of the people that use these sims, those I've spoken to anyway, who are in fact the ones AFK, actually garner as much pleasure out of it (and that measure of  pleasure may differ from person to person) as those visiting the sims and enjoying the AFK avs. 

If a person doesn't like what's being done, they don't need to be there, literally no one does. No one is forced into an AFK sim. Absolutely no one puts themselves in the position of being someone who is AFK because they dislike it. There is no logic in that line of thinking, at all. It seems more like you're attempting to make a comparison to rl abuse situations wherein consent is not actually given for (insert whatever..) This isn't rl (as much as abuse is possible online...this isn't one of those cases, not even close) wherein a true victim actually may not "fight back" or "disobey", nor does the victim ever give consent. Why are you marginalizing the rl victims of such use and abuse by making claims that are not only outlandish as the day is long, but actually extremely insulting, to both sides of the coin? It's rather disgusting, and beyond insulting, actually. Though I'm not surprised to see it rear its ugly head, again, I am surprised no one called out the line of BS for what it is already. The faux white knighting (while attempting to insult patrons of AFK sims) does sod all to help actual victims of various forms of abuse, in fact, it does more harm than good. More people should be willing to tell people when they're behaving like walnuts. This is, 100%, walnut behavior. 

 

[Drakonadrgora Darkfold]

14 minutes ago, Tari Landar said:

 

AFK sims are not my thing, they never have been, never will be.....I don't judge those for whom they are, however, not my place (or anyone's for that matter). I do know some folks who enjoy them, though, for all kinds of reasons, both visitors and those parking themselves there for others to enjoy. 

That said, anyone and everyone that parks themselves at an AFK sim (whether they are truly AFK or not), does so, 100% WILLINGLY and with complete and utter consent to have done to their avatar whatever is available at that location to visitors. There should never be any doubt otherwise, as no one is there unwillingly...no one. Why are you putting a victim card on those people that they neither asked for, nor do they even remotely desire (and yes, I've asked, you're not the first to make such wild accusations). They are not victims being used and abused, they're willing participants, for whatever very valid reason(s) they so choose, none of which any of us has any right to suggest aren't valid.  Some of the people that use these sims, those I've spoken to anyway, who are in fact the ones AFK, actually garner as much pleasure out of it (and that measure of  pleasure may differ from person to person) as those visiting the sims and enjoying the AFK avs. 

If a person doesn't like what's being done, they don't need to be there, literally no one does. No one is forced into an AFK sim. Absolutely no one puts themselves in the position of being someone who is AFK because they dislike it. There is no logic in that line of thinking, at all. It seems more like you're attempting to make a comparison to rl abuse situations wherein consent is not actually given for (insert whatever..) This isn't rl (as much as abuse is possible online...this isn't one of those cases, not even close) wherein a true victim actually may not "fight back" or "disobey", nor does the victim ever give consent. Why are you marginalizing the rl victims of such use and abuse by making claims that are not only outlandish as the day is long, but actually extremely insulting, to both sides of the coin? It's rather disgusting, and beyond insulting, actually. Though I'm not surprised to see it rear its ugly head, again, I am surprised no one called out the line of BS for what it is already. The faux white knighting (while attempting to insult patrons of AFK sims) does sod all to help actual victims of various forms of abuse, in fact, it does more harm than good. More people should be willing to tell people when they're behaving like walnuts. This is, 100%, walnut behavior. 

 

typical response from the 100% consent belief squad.

a big reason why those that go there is to use and abuse those that just leave themselves open to it. Even if you dont want to accept this truth. That they are degenerate people looking for those that they can use and abuse that wont fight back or refuse or disobey.  That they are incels just looking for victims to take advantage of.

You can try to defend it all you want but it doesn't change the facts of why the majority of the patrons go there.  They want a doll to play with a piece of meat to use for their own pleasure. Someone who wont tell them no. Someone who wont judge them and make them feel inadequate because they are too emotionally and mentally immature and insecure to handle any possible criticism about their rp/slsex skill. They want a mindless helpless powerless bimbo.

Sure the people putting themselves there often get off on it too, they are equally demented and like being used and toyed with and abused. Its a turn on to them to be used or abused or taken advantage of. they have no respect for themselves and dont care what anyone says or does.

Because to them its all just a game and not real to begin with. they they never have know what happened, they only care about as long as they get paid for it in the end. They dont even have to read any responses the person may have said in local or im if they dont want too. So it never happened in their eyes or mind. So it doesnt matter to them what the person said or did or how they acted. Its just about the money to them.

Anyone can shame anyone for anything they dont like. Anyone can say that they feel someone else reasons are invalid if they want at any time. Its not your place to try and tell them they cant. As you say I dont have the right to judge them. you do not have the right to judge me or say my reasons are invalid.. that game you tried to play works both ways. and you just failed miserably at it.

To some people SL 'is' real life there is no difference between the two, its not just a game, its not just role play its not just fantasy, its not just fake. Yet you seem to not to be able to understand this. Typical of people like you.

And yes people can be tricked or lured to go there then shamed to keep going there or blackmailed or coerced into staying or returning over and over again. If you cant understand this, then you really have very little understanding of the human mind and emotions and feelings and how some people can manipulate others into doing things they do not always like or agree or consent too.. even here. yet you will undoubtedly claim this cannot be done.

There are even some fake arse abusive Doms that have their sub/slaves go there to prostitute them for money that if they leave they will be punished for doing so. Yet you will probably say that cant be done either.

You really dont know as much as you think you do about it..

[Mollymews]

On 7/8/2020 at 6:32 AM, Pussycat Catnap said:

some low-rent red light spot

my fav kind. I like red lights and low rent 😸

 

when I came back to SL these AFK places were all over.  I go ooh! whats that about. So off I went to have a nosey

ended up in this motel type place. Watched this few weeks old person going along the row, in and out of the rooms. They are all empty. So I think ok, lets see what he does when he finds what he is looking. So I cam sit on a bed in a room just along from where he is.  Keep watching him going in and out. Then he comes in to where I am. I am lying on the bed with my clothes on

he stands there for a few minutes just looking. I don't say anything. Then he goes back out the room. In and out all the remaining rooms. Finds nothing. So he comes back. Stands again for a while then click and there we are on the bed

i go: Boo! in the IM to him. And he jumps off the bed really quickly. Then he IM back and says: sorry! I didn't know you were a real person

and I laugh and say is ok. We end up have a chat about why he was doing it. It turns out that he wanted to get into adult-y stuff but he didn't know all that much about the things.  Like how the bed menus work, or even how the thingy attachment he bought works. By going to the AFK places he was practicing learning all the how-tos of this stuff while also finding it quite exciting being a new person. So that one day when he gets together with a live person then he will be more comfortable with all the menus and buttons

so I spend the next couple of hours (with my clothes on) showing him how all the bed menus work. How his attached thingy and HUD worked. How giving and taking control works. Some rudimentary knowledge of emoting. And also how to use his cam, to save him getting sore feet with all the in and out walking

[Pussycat Catnap]

1 hour ago, Drakonadrgora Darkfold said:

[snipped some random "ya'll a bunch of demented freaks stuff"]

I used to park an avatar there just because it was easy 'porn' starring my avatar.

Never had anyone use any 'abuse' emotes or animations on me. Most of them were pretty boring in what they did... A few were entertaining but not many... It looked like they just wanted some 'interactive porn'...

It's always a bit if a bad idea to put too many presumptions into the motives and actions of others, especially when you're not part of their scene yourself.

Oh and on the consent thing, yeah - it's right there described in the info cards for the groups you have to join to be able to use things like the tipjars. You sit on the furniture - you are leaving that avatar there for someone to play with.

Edited July 9, 2020 by Pussycat Catnap

[Drakonadrgora Darkfold]

8 minutes ago, Pussycat Catnap said:

I used to park an avatar there just because it was easy 'porn' starring my avatar.

Never had anyone use any 'abuse' emotes or animations on me. Most of them were pretty boring in what they did... It looked like they just wanted some 'interactive porn'...

It's always a bit if a bad idea to put too many presumptions into the motives and actions of others, especially when you're not part of their scene yourself.

 

just because you have not had it done does not mean its not ever been done. It did happen at times. and would leave people coming back to read it to only wish they hadn't..

and another less know bit of experience.. not all the of the so called afk avatars were afk the entire time there.. some where there reading it as it happened..

so its not all just presumptions as you might want to think or try and claim.

some even had owners that made them stay there and not emote back and then report back every little detail of what was said or done to them. as a way to train them to be more open and biddable and usable by others. and they could not just leave of they would be punished for it later.

if they just wanted interactive porn there are better sources for that then using SL.

Edited July 9, 2020 by Drakonadrgora Darkfold

[Tari Landar]

2 hours ago, Drakonadrgora Darkfold said:

A whole bunch of typical pseudo holier than their gobbledy garp

Your superiority complex in all things often gets you stfu responses from people, doesn't it? It won't from me, because I don't think you should stfu...though I do wish you'd "listen" a bit more frequently...it is what it is. 

Does it bother you that you need to use an alt to post on the forums simply to be contrary as the day is long, merely because you know the posts you make aren't actually right in any fashion, they are actually designed with the specific purpose to be contrary and controversial, or rile people up... all logic be damned? 

That's an honest question, although judgment is present (because all humans judge..it's a very human thing to do), it really is an honest question (though it likely won't get an honest answer, and I won't judge you if it doesn't...I just find it odd no one has yet asked it). However, your inability to understand the difference between someone saying "don't judge" and someone saying you haven't a right to invalidate others and all of their choices, kind of makes an awful lot of what you had to say both irrelevant and content fluff used in an attempt to validate faux white knight syndrome when your goal posts need to be constantly moved because you can't actually argue the discussion at hand.

You clearly haven't been reading these forums as closely as you'd like the audience to believe, because if you had, you would know that your opinions of others, me included, are as way off base as one could possibly get. You don't know me any more than you think I know of the topic. In fact, you know even less of me, which I find extremely odd, as even passers by of these fora and their prior incarnations know more about me (and everyone else) than you seem to.  Which brings me right back to my question and why the contrary, controversial nature is so very important to you. I get being contrary for discussion and debate sake, I actually enjoy a good discussion or debate with those that feel the need to be contrary in all things. Sometimes they have really important things to say, and quite valid points that I am always willing to listen to-whether or not I agree with them.  Other times, however, they try to argue a side that is irrelevant to the discussion, drag new topics in also irrelevant and make a topic something it isn't, never was, and wouldn't be, just so they have something to "fight for". That's how your posts read to much of the audience I would imagine, even if some might not actually come right out and say that. Maybe that's your goal, and if it is, kudos, you succeeded. But if you want to do better, you should actually read the posts you quote. 

I have never once disagreed with the belief that those with nefarious purposes and intent (of the bad sort) also enjoy such places. Just as they enjoy many other things in sl that I, myself (both for me, and for others), might find horrendous, hideous, disgusting, vile, humiliating, criminal, or any other number of things I could call them. I would never disagree with such sentiment, because that would be stupid. Of course it's true, your belief I think otherwise also proves my point from above. 

That's not what my post was about, and if you'd read it, rather than merely prove the point that you just like to argue to argue, you would've seen that wasn't what my post was about. My post was about you pretending everyone there that is afk is some kind of victim, which they are not. Not only did you do that, and insult every single person that ever even visits one of those places, you also went on to insult those you previously called victims. That's just poor discussion tactics, really, and doesn't even fit the agenda I suspect most probably believe you have, but won't come out and say it for fear of getting a hand slapped for attacking. I'm not attacking, just commenting on what's before me....your words. 

That brings me right back to my question however, and proves my point...being contrary just to be contrary isn't always a good thing. If one has to do it on an alt account, because the main account would be judged for behaving in such a way...odds are good some level of consciousness is saying "this ain't a good idea".

(even if sometimes we all ignore that bit of consciousness...it exists for a reason, all the same).

If you want to discuss the actual post I made, I'm more than happy to. I think you have some valid points, I just think you're on the wrong track to making them, and I'm not convinced an actual discussion is ever on the table, on any topic with ya. If I'm wrong...and I'd love to be wrong...feel free to actually read my post and comment on its actual content, at face value. 

Hagn

[Drakonadrgora Darkfold]

28 minutes ago, Tari Landar said:

Your superiority complex in all things often gets you stfu responses from people, doesn't it? It won't from me, because I don't think you should stfu...though I do wish you'd "listen" a bit more frequently...it is what it is. 

Does it bother you that you need to use an alt to post on the forums simply to be contrary as the day is long, merely because you know the posts you make aren't actually right in any fashion, they are actually designed with the specific purpose to be contrary and controversial, or rile people up... all logic be damned? 

That's an honest question, although judgment is present (because all humans judge..it's a very human thing to do), it really is an honest question (though it likely won't get an honest answer, and I won't judge you if it doesn't...I just find it odd no one has yet asked it). However, your inability to understand the difference between someone saying "don't judge" and someone saying you haven't a right to invalidate others and all of their choices, kind of makes an awful lot of what you had to say both irrelevant and content fluff used in an attempt to validate faux white knight syndrome when your goal posts need to be constantly moved because you can't actually argue the discussion at hand.

You clearly haven't been reading these forums as closely as you'd like the audience to believe, because if you had, you would know that your opinions of others, me included, are as way off base as one could possibly get. You don't know me any more than you think I know of the topic. In fact, you know even less of me, which I find extremely odd, as even passers by of these fora and their prior incarnations know more about me (and everyone else) than you seem to.  Which brings me right back to my question and why the contrary, controversial nature is so very important to you. I get being contrary for discussion and debate sake, I actually enjoy a good discussion or debate with those that feel the need to be contrary in all things. Sometimes they have really important things to say, and quite valid points that I am always willing to listen to-whether or not I agree with them.  Other times, however, they try to argue a side that is irrelevant to the discussion, drag new topics in also irrelevant and make a topic something it isn't, never was, and wouldn't be, just so they have something to "fight for". That's how your posts read to much of the audience I would imagine, even if some might not actually come right out and say that. Maybe that's your goal, and if it is, kudos, you succeeded. But if you want to do better, you should actually read the posts you quote. 

I have never once disagreed with the belief that those with nefarious purposes and intent (of the bad sort) also enjoy such places. Just as they enjoy many other things in sl that I, myself (both for me, and for others), might find horrendous, hideous, disgusting, vile, humiliating, criminal, or any other number of things I could call them. I would never disagree with such sentiment, because that would be stupid. Of course it's true, your belief I think otherwise also proves my point from above. 

That's not what my post was about, and if you'd read it, rather than merely prove the point that you just like to argue to argue, you would've seen that wasn't what my post was about. My post was about you pretending everyone there that is afk is some kind of victim, which they are not. Not only did you do that, and insult every single person that ever even visits one of those places, you also went on to insult those you previously called victims. That's just poor discussion tactics, really, and doesn't even fit the agenda I suspect most probably believe you have, but won't come out and say it for fear of getting a hand slapped for attacking. I'm not attacking, just commenting on what's before me....your words. 

That brings me right back to my question however, and proves my point...being contrary just to be contrary isn't always a good thing. If one has to do it on an alt account, because the main account would be judged for behaving in such a way...odds are good some level of consciousness is saying "this ain't a good idea".

(even if sometimes we all ignore that bit of consciousness...it exists for a reason, all the same).

If you want to discuss the actual post I made, I'm more than happy to. I think you have some valid points, I just think you're on the wrong track to making them, and I'm not convinced an actual discussion is ever on the table, on any topic with ya. If I'm wrong...and I'd love to be wrong...feel free to actually read my post and comment on its actual content, at face value. 

Hagn

I dont have an alt or use an alt to post on the forums you silly fool, the fact you think I do means you do not know me at all. talk about people making assumptions.. way to go. I am not the alt of anyone else posting on these forums.

your logic is very lacking you know, you like to think you are superior when your not in any way shape or form to those you respond too.

my opinion about you is not far from the truth at all, you might want to think you fool others in to thinking it is but its not.

I have the right to judge or invalidate or shame anyone at any time about anything I disagree with what they do or why. I do not have to validate or accept or normalize their kinks or fetishes or anything about them ever. Nor do they have to of me and I dont care if they dont really. tough if you dont like it or cant accept that fact. I dont have to live or act or post or behave how you or any other other member of these forums wants. you do not decide how I act or why. the fact you think what you say really has any importance to me is down right funny.

I do read what I quote.. and I understand it perfectly clear. you acted as if no one ever uses or used afk sims for abusive reasons. which is not the truth.

I never said all I said most/majority of the people that use them are just incels and degenerates. again you are the one now trying to put words in my mouth.. good job at proving you dont read all of what you quote or respond too.

who ever said this was a discussion or debate or anything like that at all. I never did.. its me sharing my opinion you can like it or leave it, it doesn't really bother me which you do. you assume too much about me. You have no clue about me at all or my reasons behind what I do or why, nor is it my responsibility to try and educate you on them either.

Just because I post in a thread does not mean its part of a discussion, just because I quote someone does not mean its part of a discussion or debate. It can be just me sharing my personal view and opinion on the subject/topic/thread. It doesn't mean I am really trying to persuade anyone to my side either.

I dont really care what most of the people on these forums think about me, if they like me or dont or agree with me or dont. I am not here for popularity reasons or anything similar. I am not here to make friends or be liked by everyone or agreed with. those who agree that is their choice, no one made them. it was their view and opinion and decision to do so. those that dont.. I dont really care. the fact you think I do or should or would is just ridiculous really.

[Love Zhaoying]

4 hours ago, Drakonadrgora Darkfold said:

I dont have an alt or use an alt to post on the forums you silly fool,

I had thought you an alt, personally, because you post a lot but your total post count is relatively low. As if, you are an experienced forumite with a new username. 

[Love Zhaoying]

5 hours ago, Tari Landar said:

Your superiority complex in all things often gets you stfu responses from people, doesn't it? It won't from me, because I don't think you should stfu...though I do wish you'd "listen" a bit more frequently...it is what it is. 

Does it bother you that you need to use an alt to post on the forums simply to be contrary as the day is long, merely because you know the posts you make aren't actually right in any fashion, they are actually designed with the specific purpose to be contrary and controversial, or rile people up... all logic be damned? 

That's an honest question, although judgment is present (because all humans judge..it's a very human thing to do), it really is an honest question (though it likely won't get an honest answer, and I won't judge you if it doesn't...I just find it odd no one has yet asked it). However, your inability to understand the difference between someone saying "don't judge" and someone saying you haven't a right to invalidate others and all of their choices, kind of makes an awful lot of what you had to say both irrelevant and content fluff used in an attempt to validate faux white knight syndrome when your goal posts need to be constantly moved because you can't actually argue the discussion at hand.

You clearly haven't been reading these forums as closely as you'd like the audience to believe, because if you had, you would know that your opinions of others, me included, are as way off base as one could possibly get. You don't know me any more than you think I know of the topic. In fact, you know even less of me, which I find extremely odd, as even passers by of these fora and their prior incarnations know more about me (and everyone else) than you seem to.  Which brings me right back to my question and why the contrary, controversial nature is so very important to you. I get being contrary for discussion and debate sake, I actually enjoy a good discussion or debate with those that feel the need to be contrary in all things. Sometimes they have really important things to say, and quite valid points that I am always willing to listen to-whether or not I agree with them.  Other times, however, they try to argue a side that is irrelevant to the discussion, drag new topics in also irrelevant and make a topic something it isn't, never was, and wouldn't be, just so they have something to "fight for". That's how your posts read to much of the audience I would imagine, even if some might not actually come right out and say that. Maybe that's your goal, and if it is, kudos, you succeeded. But if you want to do better, you should actually read the posts you quote. 

I have never once disagreed with the belief that those with nefarious purposes and intent (of the bad sort) also enjoy such places. Just as they enjoy many other things in sl that I, myself (both for me, and for others), might find horrendous, hideous, disgusting, vile, humiliating, criminal, or any other number of things I could call them. I would never disagree with such sentiment, because that would be stupid. Of course it's true, your belief I think otherwise also proves my point from above. 

That's not what my post was about, and if you'd read it, rather than merely prove the point that you just like to argue to argue, you would've seen that wasn't what my post was about. My post was about you pretending everyone there that is afk is some kind of victim, which they are not. Not only did you do that, and insult every single person that ever even visits one of those places, you also went on to insult those you previously called victims. That's just poor discussion tactics, really, and doesn't even fit the agenda I suspect most probably believe you have, but won't come out and say it for fear of getting a hand slapped for attacking. I'm not attacking, just commenting on what's before me....your words. 

That brings me right back to my question however, and proves my point...being contrary just to be contrary isn't always a good thing. If one has to do it on an alt account, because the main account would be judged for behaving in such a way...odds are good some level of consciousness is saying "this ain't a good idea".

(even if sometimes we all ignore that bit of consciousness...it exists for a reason, all the same).

If you want to discuss the actual post I made, I'm more than happy to. I think you have some valid points, I just think you're on the wrong track to making them, and I'm not convinced an actual discussion is ever on the table, on any topic with ya. If I'm wrong...and I'd love to be wrong...feel free to actually read my post and comment on its actual content, at face value. 

Hagn

Oh heck, you done did it now, they will make a new alt and fool us for hours, if not minutes! Nice post, you channeled many of us on here with your words.

[Wulfie Reanimator]

17 hours ago, Drakonadrgora Darkfold said:

To some people SL 'is' real life there is no difference between the two, its not just a game, its not just role play its not just fantasy, its not just fake. Yet you seem to not to be able to understand this. Typical of people like you.

The people who literally can't discern fantasy from reality are what we call crazy people.

 

"I never said all I said most/majority of the people that use them are just incels and degenerates. again you are the one now trying to put words in my mouth.."

[Earlier]

"A big reason why those that go there is to use and abuse those that just leave themselves open to it. ... they are degenerate people ... they are incels. You can try to defend it all you want but it doesn't change the facts of why the majority of the patrons go there. "

You can't be this disingenuous, surely you understand that how you say things heavily affects how other people will read and take from it. I can already hear "that's not my problem" but you're either completely lacking social awareness or you just love to argue (which I do too, can't blame you), but dude. 

Edited July 9, 2020 by Wulfie Reanimator

[Love Zhaoying]

9 minutes ago, Wulfie Reanimator said:

The people who literally can't discern fantasy from reality are what we call crazy people.

I prefer "reality-challenged", as they go Berserker on me less with that term. "Crazy" is a loaded term, reserved for relatives, TV preachers, and politicians.

[Love Zhaoying]

38 minutes ago, Wulfie Reanimator said:

"A big reason why those that go there is to use and abuse those that just leave themselves open to it. ... they are degenerate people ... they are incels.

 

How rude, that @Drakonadrgora Darkfold associates "incels" (had to look it up) with degenerates! No respect for fetlife.

[Drakonadrgora Darkfold]

4 hours ago, Love Zhaoying said:

I had thought you an alt, personally, because you post a lot but your total post count is relatively low. As if, you are an experienced forumite with a new username. 

I post in this manner because I have years of experience with other forums. dealing with people of the same kind of attitude and behavior at those places. I lurked on these forums for a while before ever deciding to post much. some topics I post more in, some I dont.

ive been on the internet and around the internet for about as long as it has existed in hundreds of other places. ive seen all types of people and how they post or react or respond to certain things.

Edited July 9, 2020 by Drakonadrgora Darkfold

[Drakonadrgora Darkfold]

1 hour ago, Wulfie Reanimator said:

The people who literally can't discern fantasy from reality are what we call crazy people.

 

"I never said all I said most/majority of the people that use them are just incels and degenerates. again you are the one now trying to put words in my mouth.."

[Earlier]

"A big reason why those that go there is to use and abuse those that just leave themselves open to it. ... they are degenerate people ... they are incels.

You can try to defend it all you want but it doesn't change the facts of why the majority of the patrons go there. "

You can't be this disingenuous, surely you understand that how you say things heavily affects how other people will read and take from it. I can already hear "that's not my problem" but you're either completely lacking social awareness or you just love to argue (which I do too, can't blame you), but dude. 

Sl is 'not' a fantasy to everyone the fact that some of you cannot understand this is just sad really. the fact that you think they have to act or behave or think or feel as you do about sl is equally crazy.

oh I know full well how I speak and how it makes people react, and sometimes its those reactions that are desired it makes them show their true personality for others to see.

call me anti-social if you wish it doesn't really bother me. not everyone is a socialite that cares what everyone else thinks all the time.