Verena Vuckovic Posted April 17, 2012 Author Share Posted April 17, 2012 "Have some respect for people's privacy, whether you think it is stupid or not." Lol.....so lying to people is respectful ? Let's call this status thing what it really is.....lying.......and quit all the 'privacy' red herring. If you are online and you are showing to a friend as offline, then you are lying to that friend. I can see why some might want to dress this up and make it look all nice under the guise of 'privacy'. So.....lying to one's friends is now the new socially respectable in SL ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verena Vuckovic Posted April 18, 2012 Author Share Posted April 18, 2012 "Like another poster mentioned, most people who use the check boxes don't check all of them, only the people who are likely to message them when they don't want to talk. " This is nonsense. You seriously telling me that every time you log in you go through your entire friends list to check or uncheck the ones you do or don't want to talk to on that particular day ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceka Cianci Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Verena Vuckovic wrote: "Like another poster mentioned, most people who use the check boxes don't check all of them, only the people who are likely to message them when they don't want to talk. " This is nonsense. You seriously telling me that every time you log in you go through your entire friends list to check or uncheck the ones you do or don't want to talk to on that particular day ?? no i think the setting stays as long as you have it ticked..i don't think it changes when you log off.. just like the letting them mod your stuff or mapping them.. all those other really crazy settings that have no use as well.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innula Zenovka Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Well, one good thing has come out of this. I've been inspired to make a simple gadget using RLV, containing two notecards. The device has three options when it's turned on. Block IMs from and to everyone, block IMs from and to everyone except the people on the first notecard, allow IMs to and from everyone except the people on the second notecard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosemaery Lorefield Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 You know what, I can see that you are seriously upset about this. You probably have a reason to be. I am really not interested in continuing this argument. LL sees fit to allow users to have an added level of privacy and that is that. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naughty Caramel Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Not everyone on my list is a FRIEND. It takes time to get to that level. Some people were added just because they requested. Personally, I think being invisible is a lot better than: Having had a really crappy day, and just wanting to get online and shop, play dress up, but not talk to anyone... "Hi" "Hi, sorry, I'm really not in the mood to talk right now" "Hi, I'm a little busy right now" or *pretending I'm afk because I just don't feel like talking* "Oh, ok. Are you ok?" ":Not really, which is why I don't feel like talking" "What's wrong?" "Nothing" (I don't feel like talking/you're not a close enough contact for me to want to talk about it) "Oh, you want to go hunting, dancing, vote for me?" "OMG, you won't believe what HE did, I'm so mad, pissed, happyyyyyy!" "Kids are calling, I have to go, I'll talk to you later!" Why am I NOT allowed to be online without being bothered if I don't want to be bothered? So either you tick the Hide Me button, delete the person that wants to make you feel guilty for wanting privacy, or make an alt so you don't hurt someone's feelings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceka Cianci Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Verena Vuckovic wrote: "Have some respect for people's privacy, whether you think it is stupid or not." Lol.....so lying to people is respectful ? Let's call this status thing what it really is.....lying.......and quit all the 'privacy' red herring. If you are online and you are showing to a friend as offline, then you are lying to that friend. I can see why some might want to dress this up and make it look all nice under the guise of 'privacy'. So.....lying to one's friends is now the new socially respectable in SL ?? i don't use the setting ..i don't need it..i just go about my business not answering my IM's if i am busy or even if i'm not.. chances are i'll have my general chat sized down so far that nothing will be seen anyways and my IM's closed down in the corner.. i could be in the same room with you and you be all like...omg answer your IM's i'm standing here looking you in the face !! and i'll be all like ..laaaadeedah ..lookin at some clothes and lookin at some shoes and omg this shirt is HOT!! with my cam way over on the other end of the store... then TP back to my sim and try stuff on and maybe go out or log out without ever saying a word.. settings or no settings if i choose to have privacy..there isn't a damn thing anyone could ever do about it.. i won't ever lie about me wanting and getting my privacy..we could be a meter away and no matter how much someone tried.. they'll be feeling my privacy because the silence will be so loud lol see thats the honest in your face way of getting privacy.. the privacy setting itself is for people that can respect the fact that they are not partnered on a friends list and know and understand that someone would want some time to themselves since it is their SL.. the other one called block..that setting is for the attention whores that take it way too personal and get all hissy about it.. it can get real honest real fast if someone wanted total honesty about how someone would want to have some time to themselves.. i have two SL's..mine and the social one..when i'm in mine ..nobody exists..when i am in the social one..i'm as social as it gets.. i don't need a setting to shut someone off that is up my butt so far that i can taste what they had for breakfast..i have all i need at my fingertips to make sure they are not irritating any longer than i want them to be.. and thats the truth..so ya privacy does exist..because there are so many ways to tune someone out..it's their choice on which way is used on them.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarissa Lowell Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 I don't really consider it my business who is online or who wants some privacy or why. I hope they have the same respect for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coby Foden Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Verena Vuckovic wrote: What I am NOT happy with is a situation where I carry on displaying my own status OBLIVIOUS to the fact that the so-called friend has unchecked theirs. When in RL you go home after work, do you immediately inform all your RL friends: "I'm home, ready to socialise." Do you get unhappy if your friends don't do the same, but instead are "hiding" the fact that they are home by not broadcasting their status to friends? Or do you perhaps want to do your own things first without disruptions? I have never quite understood why in Second Life, immediately when we are logged in we are shown as online suggesting that we are ready to socialise. Just like in RL where I want my own private time, the same applies to SL, I indeed do need my private time to do things without disruptions. There is a time for private things, and there is time for chatting and meeting friends. PS. To aid having one's own private time in SL I have earlier suggested something along the lines: Two alternative ways to login: 1. • Login and appear online to all 2. • Login and appear offline to all Then when we have logged in there should be a toggle button: • Appear online to all • Appear offline to all The default message one gets, if one IMs somebody who is offline, should be changed: - from: " Second Life: User not online - message will be stored and delivered later." - to: "Second Life: User not available at this time - your message has been stored for the user for their later handling." This message would be sent when the user is offline, and also when the user is online but has chosen to appear offline. This method would end the drama over *why this person has hidden their online status from ME?* Being logged in and appearing offline to all would just mean that the person is busy with their own things, not ready to socialise yet. And by the way, setting on the "Busy" does not work well as it has some side effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarissa Lowell Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Coby Foden wrote: And by the way, setting on the "Busy" does not work well as it has some side effects. Right. You can't get delivery of anything. So if someone sends you a gift it's gone. If you are shopping you can't receive it. If you are trying to build and ask someone to send you a megaprim they can't, or it's gone. Busy mode is outdated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verena Vuckovic Posted April 18, 2012 Author Share Posted April 18, 2012 "I have never quite understood why in Second Life, immediately when we are logged in we are shown as online suggesting that we are ready to socialise. " But I totally agree with that. The real solution to this issue is not completely blocking the online status, but being able to block the advertising of that status when you log in. Thus, anyone would be able to see you are online.....if they actively searched for the info.......but they would not be infomed otherwise......and the real thing you would be blocking is the display that tells everyone 'xxx is online'. That seems to me to make emminently more sense, and be more open and honest, than simply hiding one's status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarissa Lowell Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 You gave a dramatic example in another thread about a guy cheating on his partner. It seems like that's what you are upset about. Everyone else hiding their status is not in that boat. A lot of people get burned that way and then come in and rage about it in the forum. For years. Same story. Then they want Second Life to make big changes because of it. Everyone has to change or suffer because one person had an unhappy experience with a liar. What difference would it have made in your example if the guy had or hadn't hid his online status? He was with his partner in your story and logged in as a promiscuous female av after she logged out. For all you know she did the same thing. For all you know his partner was yet another alt. None of that would have been any different whether they hid online status from friends or not. The logic doesn't make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceka Cianci Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Clarissa Lowell wrote: You gave a dramatic example in another thread about a guy cheating on his partner. It seems like that's what you are upset about. Everyone else hiding their status is not in that boat. A lot of people get burned that way and then come in and rage about it in the forum. For years. Same story. Then they want Second Life to make big changes because of it. Everyone has to change or suffer because one person had an unhappy experience with a liar. What difference would it have made in your example if the guy had or hadn't hid his online status? He was with his partner in your story and logged in as a promiscuous female av after she logged out. For all you know she did the same thing. For all you know his partner was yet another alt. None of that would have been any different whether they hid online status from friends or not. The logic doesn't make sense. i had a brother and sister pull that on me lol they ended up being the same person..this was when i was like 2 years old in sl i think..maybe 1 1/2.. one was seeing me and the other would ask me how i felt about the other... finally it hit me..something is strange about these two because they are never online at the same time..then i paid a bit more attention.. and noticed the first names.. vice and versa i was like OMG how could i not see this at first!! \o/ then after a couple of minutes i was like..omg how clever lol so i broke it off with the one..their reaction was they both would try to make me feel guilty..so then i finally just blurted out..i know you are the same person..so knock off the guilt trip already viceversa!! they tried to play it off till they finally just fessed up.. then later they said they were sorry about tricking me and i was fine with it.. until they started giving this one person a hard time who played a girl that was out in the open about a guy playing a girl.. he was a dancer at one of the clubs.. i got an IM from this guy saying how vice was giving this guy a hard time about being a guy playing a girl and being on a dance stage.. so i IM'd vice and pretty much told him..listen vice..the person you are giving a hard time to already knows about your versa side..don't make them bring that up in your little public display..now leave them alone or i'll boot you from the club... i thought it was funny and so did the dancer after we talked more about it.. these kind of things end up being the funny stories we tell later..that is if we can get passed them and not use them as a crutch for sympathy down the road.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
161488303349 Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 and... random forgotten how they ended up on my friends list person: hi me: hi hows u? random forgotten how they ended up on my friends list person: im bored me: i just remember why i forgot random forgotten how they ended up on my friends list person: wut me: get off my phone random forgotten how they ended up on my friends list person: wut me <click> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosemaery Lorefield Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 I met a person when I was pretty brand new and working in my sissies shop. He was a friend of her friend, but they both acted kind of strange. We didn't suspect too much because they would both be logged in at the same time, but eventually we noticed that only one would talk at a time lol. Then we met their sister. Then we were invited to a party at their place.... OMG I don't know how many computers this guy was running but he literally had a dozen or so avies logged in and was pretending to be all those different people! LMAO! We played along for awhile because it was just so bizarre. When we confronted him he totally denied it. It IS a very funny story that we still laugh about to this day. There is no reason to get that bent out of shape unless you are taking SL way too seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceka Cianci Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Rosemaery Lorefield wrote: I met a person when I was pretty brand new and working in my sissies shop. He was a friend of her friend, but they both acted kind of strange. We didn't suspect too much because they would both be logged in at the same time, but eventually we noticed that only one would talk at a time lol. Then we met their sister. Then we were invited to a party at their place.... OMG I don't know how many computers this guy was running but he literally had a dozen or so avies logged in and was pretending to be all those different people! LMAO! We played along for awhile because it was just so bizarre. When we confronted him he totally denied it. It IS a very funny story that we still laugh about to this day. There is no reason to get that bent out of shape unless you are taking SL way too seriously. lol ya i remember when i found out we could do that sort of thing.. it was from this one girl when we were in this other club and it was during the day and dead quiet..so we just started talking about anything..somehow we got on the subject of how many accounts we had..i said.i just have this one..i don't have time for two..this one is busy enough as it is lol i asked how many she had..then she said hang on.. so she logged on 3 other avatars and began talking form each of them..then arguing started and two taking sides and one getting the brunt of it.. finally i said stop it!! \o/ i almost started to forget all 4 of you are the same person!! lol how can you run so many SL's at the same time and i can hardly get this one to run smooth? then she told me about the multi thing you can do to the short cuts..plus she had another computer also.. i have to say..she had some really good skills for rp or something because i really almost slipped back into forgetting it was one person lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosemaery Lorefield Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 I seriously do not have the kind of dedication it would take to run multiple avatars lol! I do have one alt, who I made when we got the new user name system and someone was all "omgah they can stealz your bizness name and greif yooooo!" at me so I named her after my shop. Sometimes she gets to come IW and wear a guy bod to help me with poses but that's about it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillon Levenque Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Ceka Cianci wrote: lol ya i remember when i found out we could do that sort of thing.. it was from this one girl when we were in this other club and it was during the day and dead quiet..so we just started talking about anything..somehow we got on the subject of how many accounts we had..i said.i just have this one..i don't have time for two..this one is busy enough as it is lol i asked how many she had..then she said hang on.. so she logged on 3 other avatars and began talking form each of them..then arguing started and two taking sides and one getting the brunt of it.. finally i said stop it!! \o/ i almost started to forget all 4 of you are the same person!! lol how can you run so many SL's at the same time and i can hardly get this one to run smooth? then she told me about the multi thing you can do to the short cuts..plus she had another computer also.. i have to say..she had some really good skills for rp or something because i really almost slipped back into forgetting it was one person lol That would freak me right out. The only time I've been someplace a person and their alt (that I know of) the main had to keep waking the alt up; she would nod off from time to time :-). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verena Vuckovic Posted April 18, 2012 Author Share Posted April 18, 2012 "You gave a dramatic example in another thread about a guy cheating on his partner. It seems like that's what you are upset about. " Who said I was 'upset' about anything ? Sheesh...I'm simply arguing a point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verena Vuckovic Posted April 18, 2012 Author Share Posted April 18, 2012 I think in the end the whole issue boils down to this...... One should not have an SL that is more absolutely 'private' than RL could ever be. Why so ? Well, because in RL, even though people have their privacy there are always ways round it.........which is precisely how we find out that people are up to no good. Imagine a real world where nations could not spy on each other, wives could never determine that husband was cheating, employers could never find out that an employee has a criminal record, and so on etc etc. A real world where everything was so private that one could NEVER know anyone was lying, cheating, stealing, etc. Well.....that world is increasingly what we have in SL. The problem is......while the real world always offers some means of finding things out even if doing so is not easy......in SL, there are no get-arounds. In the name of so-called 'privacy'.....what one has is a world where people can lie and cheat with utter impunity ! Is that really the sort of SL people want ? Or is it not more likely to be a factor putting a lot of people off ever joining in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innula Zenovka Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Verena Vuckovic wrote: I think in the end the whole issue boils down to this...... One should not have an SL that is more absolutely 'private' than RL could ever be. Why so ? Well, because in RL, even though people have their privacy there are always ways round it.........which is precisely how we find out that people are up to no good. Imagine a real world where nations could not spy on each other, wives could never determine that husband was cheating, employers could never find out that an employee has a criminal record, and so on etc etc. A real world where everything was so private that one could NEVER know anyone was lying, cheating, stealing, etc. Well.....that world is increasingly what we have in SL. The problem is......while the real world always offers some means of finding things out even if doing so is not easy......in SL, there are no get-arounds. In the name of so-called 'privacy'.....what one has is a world where people can lie and cheat with utter impunity ! Is that really the sort of SL people want ? Or is it not more likely to be a factor putting a lot of people off ever joining in the first place. So you seem to be saying that you suspect people on your friends list are likely to take the opportunity to lie to you, cheat you, steal from you and generally get up to no good, unless you're able to keep a close eye on them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosemaery Lorefield Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 So basically, you don't want people to have privacy in SL because you can't find out what they are up to? What does it matter? I really think you are taking the game too seriously. If there is someone you don't trust, then drop them. There is probably a reason you don't trust them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceka Cianci Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Verena Vuckovic wrote: I think in the end the whole issue boils down to this...... One should not have an SL that is more absolutely 'private' than RL could ever be. Why so ? Well, because in RL, even though people have their privacy there are always ways round it.........which is precisely how we find out that people are up to no good. Imagine a real world where nations could not spy on each other, wives could never determine that husband was cheating, employers could never find out that an employee has a criminal record, and so on etc etc. A real world where everything was so private that one could NEVER know anyone was lying, cheating, stealing, etc. Well.....that world is increasingly what we have in SL. The problem is......while the real world always offers some means of finding things out even if doing so is not easy......in SL, there are no get-arounds. In the name of so-called 'privacy'.....what one has is a world where people can lie and cheat with utter impunity ! Is that really the sort of SL people want ? Or is it not more likely to be a factor putting a lot of people off ever joining in the first place. this is the internet.. the first thing people should learn about the net is to not trust nosey people.. to be leery of someone trying to get past defenses.. you really do have it all backwards don't you? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madelaine McMasters Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Innula Zenovka wrote: Verena Vuckovic wrote: I think in the end the whole issue boils down to this...... One should not have an SL that is more absolutely 'private' than RL could ever be. Why so ? Well, because in RL, even though people have their privacy there are always ways round it.........which is precisely how we find out that people are up to no good. Imagine a real world where nations could not spy on each other, wives could never determine that husband was cheating, employers could never find out that an employee has a criminal record, and so on etc etc. A real world where everything was so private that one could NEVER know anyone was lying, cheating, stealing, etc. Well.....that world is increasingly what we have in SL. The problem is......while the real world always offers some means of finding things out even if doing so is not easy......in SL, there are no get-arounds. In the name of so-called 'privacy'.....what one has is a world where people can lie and cheat with utter impunity ! Is that really the sort of SL people want ? Or is it not more likely to be a factor putting a lot of people off ever joining in the first place. So you seem to be saying that you suspect people on your friends list are likely to take the opportunity to lie to you, cheat you, steal from you and generally get up to no good, unless you're able to keep a close eye on them? I usually get up to no good because someone is keeping an eye on me. And what's most curious is that it happens without any effort, knowledge or expense on my part. I do love that kind of efficiency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarissa Lowell Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Verena Vuckovic wrote: Sheesh...I'm simply arguing a point. Very strenuously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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