Eileen Fellstein

I seldom look unless the person is either not in the same sim or if they direct me too, and I'm terribly guilty of not keeping up with friend's profile changes, even the one's that I know feel it's important. I'm more apt to be veiwing a profile if I am after a product and trying to find a pick or some other indication where to find what it is I'm after. With the aggressive stuff what I have learned is it's usually an indicator of something that happened to the person either recently or had a lasting effect. It's a place for them to express themself. A lot of times a person's demenure to be around casually doesn't reflect what they are grumping about in their profile at all. Maybe it was a good place to vent?

It's like 1/8th of a penny USD by indenx conversion.It's even less if the parties involved shop aroud for better deals on lindens. Hmm, so how long do you have to stick around after you spent the minimum amount of linden in order to recieve the said 'bonus'? Someone else used 2 hours as an example but I didn't see where you indicated. You just said for camping and showed where they were claiming it was a timed thing. So the total is roughly 16 cents USD to each person that already spent ?? amount and plus stayed on the sim to help traffic. Sounds like they have a very cheap promotional system in place! lol So anyhow if they paid this out to 80 people a week, they would have saved one dime and in a year Two dollars and seventy five cents (approximately) I can't see that it would be intentional, but I agree it adds up and should be fixed. In the end the campers are helping the owner far more than the other way around. Just take his own suggestion and find a better way to make 50L. Seems like there must be all sorts of ways.

Deformer? Care to expound on that Rin? (or anyone) I've been looking for nice mesh clothing. Most of what I have seen does not suit my taste being often loose fitting clothing to ensure fit on more avis, or unfortunately does not fit at all,

Drama is just a part of life, and not surprisingly second life as well. When people say they don't do drama, my 1st inclination is to ask them wth they are doing here then, lol Pretty much synonymous with conflict, which is going to happen anywhere. And most of us love it in our movies, books TV etc. I can handle a reasonable amount of varying opinions if it's kept civil. I try not to minimize a person's feelings if I can help it, so I seldom aim the word drama at someone. I consider the word drama to be in league with words like entitlement and ignorance. They tend to carry a certain amount of agressiveness by simply being used (or more commonly misused).

I think the addition of display names was a good thing, for many applications. I also felt that a lot of supposed issues with impostering were very weak as there are generally quick ways to discover the actual name. Although taking away last names does make that more difficult now since we have begun to see all the jonny800billions running loose. "Qwark...what's his real name? *right click profile...um Q8r7956Kiog33!..ok, I'll be sure to remember that!" That said, I do miss last names and never saw why in the world it had to be one or the other. I have a last name and I run a display name that is just a small variation of it. It also makes it nice for people that get married or have other reasons to have the same last name. I was always glad that the last names were somewhat removed from a similar popular real life name in most cases. I know some will disagree or just not care, but I still consider it ill advised for people to use their real life last names in PC activities like this.

Hehe yes I was an art student and noticed the same thing early on as well. I've seen far worse than just a little off, done intentionally and IMO it just looked like hell. Very much Avasaurus Rex as you describe. Normally though it's just a little off but noticable if you have this type of training. Makes it like trying not to think about 'elephant'. Or in this case, maybe chimpanzee I've noticed on average breasts get exagerated too. Small inworld is like a C or D and a lot of avis I see just make me not want to see their chiropractor bill. Or lend them a wheelbarrow or something lol. Hands too. Lots of big hands around. and butts! OMG. It's like people go 'well my butt is bigger than that' so the only thing they change is the butt and nothing else and the avi is like 'woooomp' in the middle. Then you get the opposite. That whole move to reconsile the fact that land distances do not jive with body measurements. To look right, you're going to be a little taller by what those measuring boxes say just because of how the people editor stretches and squashes certain things. Yea, you can nail the height down, if you don't mind a little dwarfism.

Chronometria wrote: A firestorm user reported that a new bridge was being made each time they entered a new sim. It was only happening to them though and not other firestorm users who responded. I dont know what it is, but something is fishy about bridges at the moment, at least for some people. My guess is they may have been exagerating. If you login to a sim with scripts off, the bridge will not create. It gives onscreen instructions how to create it yourself. Not sure if it would auto create when they moved somewhere without scripts blocked. If it does and they are jumping around sims and relogging/crashing a lot, that would probably explain most of it.

I've been on FS since it's release and had no such issues. But I have always been curious as to what the bridge actually does and why it would be necessary to have one. So yea, maybe that makes some people nervous. Probably should start with the actual info from thier site about what it is and what it does. From thie wiki, if you click on the link for the firestorm bridge, it takes you to the page for the pheonix one, so..same thing essentially? anyhow, it's here.. http://wiki.phoenixviewer.com/fs_bridge Looking over it's listed functions, those are things I never really use, so I would be just fine most of the time to just delete the bridges if I was suspicious of them. I prefer to move about naturally rather than click TPing and generally don't concern myself wth things like who is flying around beyond my draw distance. But anyway, helpful stuff but not crucial to your viewer functioning *shrug I guess the next question would be is there any way this claim could be accurate? Where is the bridge gathering data and is that line of communication vulnerable to hacks? AND even if it were, would hacking an object in someone's inventory grant access to account details?..including accout password? Sounds rather unlikely.

Ceka Cianci wrote: Eileen Fellstein wrote: Verena Vuckovic wrote: Something strikes me as being increasingly absurd within SL. On the one hand, we have Lindens promoting the right to absolute 'privacy', right down to even trying to enforce the correct display of avatar online status and prevent people circumventing it. And yet....on the other hand we have increasing pressure upon people to reveal and be their 'real' selves. Not just through the promotion of links to Facebook, etc, but also through the ever increasing rise of, for example, groups with titles such as ' Verified RL...( substitute some RL attribute ). Now you might argue that it is entirely down to people to what extent they hide or reveal info. But really, that is not the way things actually *work* in SL. The rise of groups such as 'Verified RL Female', for example, puts increasing pressure on anyone ( be they really female or not ) to 'verify' or be excluded. That strikes me as being totally at odds with the general principle of the right to absolute privacy. If something as mere as online status is so sacrosanct......yet something like 'true' gender can be forcibly revealed through peer pressure....then we have a fundamental contradiction at the heart of SL. In my view, any group with title such as ' Verified RL.....' runs totally counter to the whole ethos of SL. The very existence of any such group implies that one does NOT have the right to such privacy. One has to wonder, then, why Lindens allow such groups to exist. Without reading the 7 pages of comments (probably a yet), I have run accross this... I immediately left This type of place will not see the support of my lindens or my dot EVER. My opinion is it's against the spirit of the ToS if not the letter of it, but I'll let the lawyer types here sort that out. I will also support any action in world that is moving to have practices like these abolished in SL, so long as it doesn't get into the realm of griefing. Contact me in world if there's a way I can help. it's not a place.. itis private groups.. ones that people can willingly opt in to join if they like rather than be forced to join.. it is what the group asks of people that may be wanting to join their private group.. if people don't want to join it they don't have to.. not much that is against the TOS in these kind of groups..especially since they are fully opt in.. not like they are scanning for private information in a sim..it's all opt in to give information..even after they join.. hehehe Private group, private land I agree whole heartedly. The place I was at was a club on public land in adult that was advertised through the search. (The verified gender stuff was NOT part of the add. I would have never gone if it were) I understand I wasn't required to verify gender to spend money there or join their vip (to receive event notices) group, nor did I chose to join anyhow. I still agree with OP that this sort of thing detracts from the idea that we can make the life we choose here. Whether it's a rule violation or not, it's pressure, as OP said. But there's ways to apply pressure back. This post was a good start. Talking with your money is another. Don't spend a linden there if you disagree with what they are doing. Don't have your avatar there to support their traffic. Create groups the exact opposite of that.

I'm not sure how LL would be unaware after being so hands on with you through 4 hacks. Seems like a pretty serious allegation. I'm not sure that what you've described is enough to rule out other possibilities. I'm no coder. Sounds like you need an expert to confirm the actual parts of the code in question?

Sometimes creators leave full mod freebies out there because they want some things to remain free for new people They may also just like to keep their name in circulation. Usually the original packaging contains their wishes that it stay a free item. Many of these are widely known to a lot of residents that have been around for some time. probably most of us already have multiple copies in our inventories, lol. The creator's wishes or license can get lost as the items pass from person to person. I'd honestly just refrain from trying to resell freebie stuff. There's plenty of ways to resell stuff that is designed to be resold. Some from high profile companies that already paved the way to a good reputation for you. Have a look around Whatever route you go, it's up to you to be sure you have the right to be selling other people's stuff.

Verena Vuckovic wrote: Something strikes me as being increasingly absurd within SL. On the one hand, we have Lindens promoting the right to absolute 'privacy', right down to even trying to enforce the correct display of avatar online status and prevent people circumventing it. And yet....on the other hand we have increasing pressure upon people to reveal and be their 'real' selves. Not just through the promotion of links to Facebook, etc, but also through the ever increasing rise of, for example, groups with titles such as ' Verified RL...( substitute some RL attribute ). Now you might argue that it is entirely down to people to what extent they hide or reveal info. But really, that is not the way things actually *work* in SL. The rise of groups such as 'Verified RL Female', for example, puts increasing pressure on anyone ( be they really female or not ) to 'verify' or be excluded. That strikes me as being totally at odds with the general principle of the right to absolute privacy. If something as mere as online status is so sacrosanct......yet something like 'true' gender can be forcibly revealed through peer pressure....then we have a fundamental contradiction at the heart of SL. In my view, any group with title such as ' Verified RL.....' runs totally counter to the whole ethos of SL. The very existence of any such group implies that one does NOT have the right to such privacy. One has to wonder, then, why Lindens allow such groups to exist. Without reading the 7 pages of comments (probably a yet), I have run accross this... I immediately left This type of place will not see the support of my lindens or my dot EVER. My opinion is it's against the spirit of the ToS if not the letter of it, but I'll let the lawyer types here sort that out. I will also support any action in world that is moving to have practices like these abolished in SL, so long as it doesn't get into the realm of griefing. Contact me in world if there's a way I can help.

I had an interesting thought. Sveva wrote this... " I logged with an alt, and I saw my avatar going around.." Going around to where? walking around your parcel or you could see them on the map w/ permissions? If the later, could teleport history be checked? Perhaps they were after some things Sveva owned. I mean they could have gone to their own parcel and placed any number of things.

Wow this topic has taken some interesting turns. I'm not sure I have followed all of them. A few things went like 'woosh' over my head. Xpi, I hope you can salvage enough for your paper despite most of our reluctance to cooperate and provide photos, lol But ya know, I wonder how this topic might have gone if the questions was 'How much does your avatar represent you?' rather than asking about physical looks. Just guessing but I think you'd have a got an overwhelming amount of responses affirming that the avatar is indeed representative of the spirit of the user I've actually found that life in here developes seperately from RL, though simultaniously and with some shared memories, feelings etc. Perhaps it's like a branch off of reality sometimes and how sharply the turn is depends on everything from avatar appearance to the unique experiences and exchanges we share with other residents. Much the same theory as that in RL that the makup of an indivual is shaped by their experience and what they see and hear from others about themselves and things around them. I'm not sure where to look it up, but I seem to recal a section of the tos/user agreement at one point which stated something along the lines that an avatar should represent the user. Maybe someone can help point to that because I believe that part was changed or removed? But I think some people figure that spoke to gender and physical characteristics, taking it very litteraly and others were quite comfortable going with 'their inner female' or 'my ji is a cat' or any other justification for a variance. Other's just completely said pfft and tossed the whole notion out the window.

Madelaine McMasters wrote: Nyll Bergbahn wrote: Any other good landing point disasters out there? I've had many such mishaps, but one stands head and shoulders above the rest. A friend of mine had just completed a significant build of an information and referral center for battered women. It was a heartfelt endeavor and very well done, welcoming, informative and peaceful. She did not want to have her effort marred by the sorts of issues that plague us in SL. She had built the display on a different sim and moved it and was interested in viewer related differences, server lag and traffic handling. So she invited many of her friends to critique the build, expose issues and report general impressions. She tp'ed us all to a gathering space where she explained the purpose of her display and the kind of feedback she wanted from us. There were perhaps 30 of us in attendence. After her prep talk, she dropped notecards on us en-masse, containing a welcoming message and the LM to her display. This was the prototype for notecards to be given by a greeting kiosk that would installed at her group's general welcome area. Now, I should tell you that I get a perverse pleasure out of standing at the edge of skyboxes and tp'ing friends to me, so I might watch them fall, arms flailing, to their death. Anticipating that they might try to return the favor, I have my viewer set to "Fly on TP". I've never been one to actually read welcome notecards, so immediately upon receiving mine, I took the LM. I found myself hovering in the middle of an endless expanse of cloudless blue. Realizing that I was the first, and would not be the last, I moved forward a bit, then turned to view my arrival point. Over the next minute or so, I watched a good many of those 30 friends appear out of the blue and plummet into the abyss. The joy I felt is indescribable. Eventually one of the hapless victims IM'ed my friend to tell her of the error, bringing my near religious experience to an end. After being individually teleported to the correct destination, everyone dusted themselves off and perused her work. As the evening drew to a close with glowing approval from all, I revealed that I'd been the first to the erroneous destination and had watched at least a dozen women fall to their death, and that the irony of this happening on the eve of the debut of her battered women's resource center was so delicious I just had to savor it again by retelling. Nyll, thanks for giving me the opportunity to share that experience. It is one of the high points of my four years in SL. It sounds to me like your friend set up her sim correctly. Being a center for battered women, any LM easily accessable in a public display should be no more than a decoy and the actual people recieving her help would recieve dircect teleports to private areas with much higher levels of security. I'd guess the note probably contained a contact name that would lead people needing her service to the right place.

lol, my 1st thought was a big sign inside there saying please rez before proceeding with another right beside it saying please move off the landing point and a 3rd that gives a list of rules as long a short romance novel requiring the avi to agree before being released from the box! Yea I've landed in all the classic oddball places like enderwater, in the air, inside a rock etc. The worst was a place where ownership had changed and the new owner had turned off public. It caused a richocet bounce effect with a neighbors security orb and bounced me around for 5 minutes until SL crashed lol. Fortunately my avi is pretty resilliant.

PeterCanessa Oh wrote: & @ Amethyst, obviously. I simply mean it is a non-issue for discussion here purely because "As to whether it is constitutional, this will be up to courts to decide" (my underlining). It may or may not interest you to know that I have been unemployed and homeless almost ever since I refused to work for IBM. I do not receive any benefits (welfate in the USA). My point here is that we shouldn't derail the thread talking about evil employers when the subject is SL's profiles, whether they are any good and, I suspect (see http://community.secondlife.com/t5/General-Discussion-Forum/my-secondlife-com-and-Second-Life/m-p/1469663/message-uid/1469663#U1469663) whether an increasing number of people think the web profiles 'are' SL. I'm sorry about your career situation. I empathise with that a lot. I'm also a person who never hesitates to take a walk in the face of malarky by some employer, regardless of consequences. And that has applied to SL as well as RL. Hell not just employers, lol. I've walked out of hospitals 3 times over 'terms and conditions' issues as you put it. If anyone derailed the thread it was likely me,lol, but to me it's not so much a derail as a 'lets ride this train and see what kind of dark tunnels it's taking us down'. And yea, pretty dark stuff ahead I'm afraid friends if we keep chuggin' along the direction this is headed. If we're just talking about the web based profile specifically, yes you were correct in your post a page back or so. Just lock down all the privacy settings and no one sees the info..hopefully. But yea, the left turn was when I pointed out the lack of privacy with what people see on their dashboard. Really if someone has me as a contact, they could be somewhere in the peruvian alps with a mobile pager and see that I am in world and send messages. That can be nice occasionally but even from someone that's a friend it fast goes beyond the point of being moderately annoying.

Amethyst Jetaime wrote: Sorry but I can't agree to it being a non-issue. The article I read had this information and more. It cited a number of examples of local employers doing this. Granted a few states are considering laws to prohibit it, but there is no guarantee that they will be passed. The article addressed this too and gave examples under consideration and the bottom line was that there were a lot of 'exceptions' that will allow companies to continue to do this, so many that even if passed, the legislation will only curb the practice for some jobs. As to whether it is constitutional, this will be up to courts to decide and then only if someone sues over it. It could be years before any ruling is made and years more before the appeals process is exhausted an it is firmly established as unconstitutional. With unemployment so high and the current job market being so competitive, people feel compelled into agreeing to this to avoid horrendous consequences if they refuse. It may very well mean that unemployment payments will cease, leaving them with zero income and ineligibility for even welfare in states where welfare is temporary and is tied to the ability an willingness to work, such as the state I live in. It is all very well to say that you would never agree and wouldn't put up with it, but when your are facing homelessness and the inability to feed your children, you may not have the choice. Applause what are doing in say 2016 dear? lol

SveVa, actually even with a no trans item, the merchant still retains a full mod copy (for them only). The no trans part applies to 'next owner' (you in this case). You can't give it back but they still have it too and could pass out as many as they wanted if they chose. That's why I said they have the opportunity to do the right thing if they find your position believable. Their side is why should they have to hand back money from sales every time someone yells 'hacker' or woops I bought the wrong thing' or 'my dog ate it'? Problem is they, and not even you are privy to what the Linden's found out on an IP check. They customarily never give a report on their findings to the complainer. Probably if they can link it to some pattern involving that IP, they could arrive at a conclusion as to who it most likely is. It would still actually prove zero because nothing short of a RL eye witness puts that person at the keyboard. There could be several people at that location with SL accounts and/or internet access. So ultimately it would be up to LL to make the judgement call on it.

Hmm. 6 skins and a shape that total 8450 -ish? That's 1200 L$ skins likely. I don't know how many upstart skinners are selling for that price but I would think not many. Established places get enough business as almost every person who plans to hang around more than a few days buys a decent skin at some point. There's no motivation for a reputable merchant making good profit to risk their account by stealing an avatar to launder a few dollars worth of linden. Whoever did it though knew exactly where and how to waste your money in a very short amount of time. And they knew SL well enough to know how no transfer stuff works and that a refund would be unlikely. They also know how to hack. My 1st thought is who do you know that don't like you? My 2nd is who is disgruntled enough with that merchant to try to pin something like this on them? I'd still be inclined to believe you might wish to check your own back yard for possible offenders before asserting that it was this merchant. Moreover it sounds like greif aimed at you specifically more than any ongoing phishing like described in OP's post, though they may have used similar methods to do the hacking. As far as your money goes, this skin designer has the opportunity to do what I consider to be 'the right thing' if they can verify you were indeed hacked somehow, and could possibly win a loyal customer in so doing. I can understand their skepticism hower.

I don't know about blaming per se' but if the person has an unemployment insurance payment on the line, turning down work could disqualify them and they could really have to pay hell to get it back. Either way, it would put them in the very uncomfortable possition of having to decide to turn down a job or comprimise themself morrally.

It wasn't hard to google and since The article is LA times, it's likely been published in many major US papers I would guess. Anyway here. Scary schtuff... http://articles.latimes.com/2012/mar/28/opinion/la-ed-facebook-passwords-legislation-20120328

OO, I'd love to see that article Amethyst. I noticed you said local paper. I wouldn't ask you to pinpoint yourself by linking it though. I can oogle my own google and see what I find on it. You said 'worldwide' so I guess it would depend on country how far they are overstepping bounds if they are requiring that info from people. I'm sure law enforcement/gov would have little trouble accessing that type of stuff anyhow where someone is a suspect in a crime. Amazing that so many people would make a hobby of stacking up evidence against themself. The law doing it is uncomfortable enough but employers? 'I'm sorry buddy. you can shove your job' lol Closer to home..here in SL, I dialed down those privacy settings the minute it went live. But there are still elements that leave uncomfortable doors open. What people can see from the dashboard mainly and the fact they can access it and even the grid from a mobile device with the right app. This door was always open somewhat as long as I have been here. Simply searching a profile gives an online indicator as long as the avatar is searchable. People can also check any mutual groups usually unless group owner sets the general membership to invisible. Most of this stuff works independantly of the little checkbox blocking a person from seeing you. And...since there's a limit to how many you can check at once, that renders that privacy feature practically worthless.

Web profiles to me were not a good move whatsoever. I know it's handy in some situations but It's not that awful to have to log in to see someone's info IMO. You can actually have a web browser and SL open at the same time. Privacy is my big thing and I don't believe it's being safeguarded enough with things like web profiles and dashboard information. I said this before in other topics. When it comes to privacy issues, SL works in backwards fashion. It gives every advantage to people who want to snoop on others and zero to people to protect themselves from that.

lol That's like Steve Martin in The Jerk "You mean I gotta stay this color?' lmfao