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The daily scrum meeting does not welcome questions from people outside the issues that are being discussed - but you are welcome to observe (fair enough). As Void says the people (especially the open source devs who provide a lot of useful input to the viewer) at the Open Development Meeting may be able to help you if you have particular issues, but it is not the same as having a Viewer-specific group.

Only Open Development items (i.e. viewer issues that may be addressed by the open source community) may be discussed in the Open Development User Group. When some Viewer issues were added to the agenda nearly all were deleted with the following comment: They are out of scope because this meeting is about ongoing open source contributions, and only one issue from your list fit that criteria (and I left that one on the page, though there is no immediate news on it). Should a developer contribute something that addresses one of the issues you copied, it would be in scope for my open development meetings. Oz Linden 10:04, 26 September 2011 (PDT)  There used to be a Viewer Evolution User Group, which many people found very useful. Ownership of this group was passed to Esbee Linden (User Experience lead) in the summer but no further meetings were held, and the group was officially dissolved by Linden Lab last month. Oz abd Esbee refuse to answer any questions about why the group was dissolved or if it, or a similar one, will ever be re-instated. A blog post about this saga is at http://blog.nalates.net/2011/09/28/viewer-evolution-user-group-closed/

Your setup seems fine to me - and 2Gb should be sufficient to get decent operformance. Have you tried a full uninstall/re-install of SL including all the settings? Also try playing around with rthe advanced graphic settings as sometimes SL sets your defaults too gigh for your GPU.

Ponyboy Galaxy wrote: Hai guize. So, for the past 2 weeks or so, my Dashboard Friends List (the one on the actual website, not in the viewer) has been unavailable. It just says "This widget is currently disabled and will be back online shortly. Thank you for your patience." I tried contacting support but they won't help me because I don't pay them 10 dollars a month Any other ideas about what I can do? (I considered the idea of just waiting for it to be fixed, but like I said, it has been probably more than two weeks now.) Hi Ponyboy - this is because 10 of your friends got together and arranged for LL to stop showing their names to you. :smileyhappy: If not it sounds like a browser issue - try another browser.

Margaret Moleno wrote: Can someone please tell me if a Nvidia Quadro FX 3450 is suitable for second life The FX 3450 is based on the GeForce 6800 (info from Wikipedia) which can run second Life but barely so. However the FX 3450 is aimed at CAD designers rather than gamers so will probably be quite a bit slower. To be honest any Nvidia card that costs more than 50 dollars would probably be better than that,

In Kaiser's previous post - http://community.secondlife.com/t5/General-Discussion-Forum/Lindens-Please-stop-deleting-my-changes-harsh-language-censored/m-p/963217 - he accused a Linden of moving his stuff. Kaiser Bogomil wrote: ... someone did this - not me ... (I suspect a Linden - I doubt a hacker .. my password is longer than 8 characters mixed case alpha-numeric characters)... I fixed it by placing it on the ground. The next day it was up in the air again. And it had been on the ground for months.

When you get a corrupted setting it could be more difficult to sort it out - and I know that i have different settings on different computers because their capabilities differ. And having yet another thing to get lost or delayed somewhere else (I tend to trust my own machines to store things rather than LL's) and has to be transferred across the network each time does not appeal. You can always back up your own settings before doing re-installs on your system - that is probably the easiest way around this problem.

Chelsea is right - buy the best GPU that you can buy. With a desktop computer it is relatively easy to add but make sure the physical size of the card and it's power requirements match what you have.

@Marvolo - Firestorm will never sort out all Viewer problems until LL have solved most of them because it is based on the LL core code - they are just trying to improve it in several areas. @Imagin - Whether you are affected does seem to depend on the GPU you have, what graphic settings you have, which sims you are on and whether you saw a magpie that morning :smileyhappy:. As you can imagine, with a problem that is that fickle it will also take some time to fully fix.

Have you tried a different viewer? You can download the older 2.6.9 (a nice viewer) from https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_Release/2.6.9 to see if it is viewer-specific.

Sounds like https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SH-2240 yet again. LL - please put something out on the viewer login screen - I am getting fed up of telling people on forums and in-world about these issues.

It could be the infamous recent GPU driver problem if you have an Nvidia graphics card - see https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SH-2240. A way to test this is to set your graphics preferences to 'Low' at the login screen before you login. If you do this and you get further through the login process it is probable that this is the cause. If you never reach the login screen it is not this problem.

@Baloo - This is a well known recent problem with the latest nVidia drivers being used for SL and is by far the most likely explanation for this error which is affecting many SL users. I just wish that LL would be more open about it and add it to the release notes as it is a showstopper for many residents, and they may leave SL unless they know how to get around it.

Imagin Illyar wrote: Crowds were what did it for me too, Dora. Any place with more than 4 or 5 people I'd crash as soon as I took my first step. I have 2Gigs of ram on my video card plus 8 gigs of regular ram and a quad core machine. I knew it wasn't just me. Firestorm has WAY more features, has my favorite Starlight skins built right in and yet it NEVER crashes. To me that means there is something seriously wrong with the standard SL V3 viewer. I am LOVING finally being able to wander the grid with shadows on As Tristizia says Firestorm suffers the same big OpenGL problem that Viewer 3 does. But there are also a few bugs in Viewer 3 that Firestorm have either fixed or chosen not to deploy.

You should be happy with the 560ti but the 570 will be better, but the frame-rate will still drop in busy areas. But most people in SL would love to own a PC with that spec! BTW if you do get it you may find you keep crashing if you use the official Viewer - this is because of an OpenGL issue that LL are trying to address (but that may take a while to fully resolve). Just thought I'd say so you don't blame your lovely piece of tech. :smileyhappy:

Yes - Elise Linden removed it yesterday. The group has not met for 3 months since Oz Linden handed over responsibility to Esbee Linden. I recently emailed both the opensource_dev group and Esbee Linden asking when it would be resuming wiithout receiving a response. It looks like this useful group for an exchange of information about Viewer direction (and it was largely attended by people keen to help improve the viewer rather than moaners) has come to an end. We can only hope that LL replace it with something better... otherwise we have to assume that LL no longer appreciate the exchange of ideas and information that such a group provides.

An excellent post Greene. As you so clearly point out the problems with Viewer 2/3 UI come down to: poor design poor understanding of workflows There was also a pretence that it was a good UI right from the start back in April 2010 - so treating your users like idiots is not a good move either. Now we have a UI that is at least tolersable, but sadly many of the great features in the Viewer e.g. outfits are not presented very well. Viewer 3 will never be a great UI - but hopefully work by LL will help to improve it substantially as long as they learn from their mistakes and address the root problems rather than just tampering around the edges.

Chriz Collins wrote: ohhh my god. .if i do i will mess all up..lol C.C :smileyhappy: It's really not that hard - just the instructions may seem like it is at first. If you do mess up give me a yell inworld or just reinstall the viewer again and it will overwrite what you did.

I would suggest raising it as a JIRA with full details of the sims and viewer and server versions involved and sending a link to it to Oskar and see what happens.

@Rabid. Sadly you cannot expect a 5 year old computer to work with up-to-date software. Technology moves on quickly, and eventually old age catches up with old computer kit. It is probable that the changes for mesh have finally pushed the requirements to run it satisfactorily beyond the capabilities of your old card. Some tweaking of your graphics prefrences settings (under 'Advanced') may help you a bit, or changing drivers, or making sure you disable multithreading etc. etc. - but changing cards is a necessary and reasonable way to get SL working well again.

Jacki Silverfall wrote: I'm flying along enroute to SLIA and at 500 meters south I call for clearance, flaps up, gears down. And nothing. Ahh yes - planes disappearing, mysterious glowing apparitions, and ships with no crew - sounds like the Blake Sea Triangle to me!

In the last year low-end computers have not been rendering some sculpties and prims the way they used to do in Viewer 1 and the early days of Viewer 2. This JIRA - https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SH-2314 - has just been completed so you should see the changes being applied to the main viewer release soon.

The 7300 GS is 4 or 5 years old so will also be very slow. Have a look at what you can get in store or online these days, and check out the reviews. It needn't be that expensive to get a GPU that works well with SL.

As Kolby says - Intel onboard graphics, even their latest offering, will give anyone a bad impresssion of SL. If you have a desktop buy a proper GPU to add in - even spending a hundred dollars should really give you a big improvement, but do some research first. SL seems to prefer Nvidia cards - but recent versions of LL Viewers are proving problematic, though this should be fixed shortly hopefully.