Zanara Zenovka Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 The Magic Box scripts haven't been updated for years, and certainly not since the creation of SLM. You'd need LSL coders for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sassy Romano Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 Zanara Zenovka wrote: You'd need LSL coders for that. Hmm, I wonder where you can find those? ... *scratches chin* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toysoldier Thor Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 Zanara Zenovka wrote: The Magic Box scripts haven't been updated for years, and certainly not since the creation of SLM. You'd need LSL coders for that. Uhmmm I didnt think we could play around with the LL Magicbox Script. LSL coder or not, playing around with how the magicbox sends a "product has been delivered for order # xxx" would not be possible or I assume allowed. PS... I am not one of those "Smarter than the average Merchant LL SCRIPTERS" so even if tampering with the magicbox code were possible I surely would not be tinkering with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sassy Romano Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 It would have to be developed with LL's blessing. It's moot anyway. My point was merely that across SL, there are thousands more scripters than LL can lay their hands on in house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zanara Zenovka Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 And my original point was that the whole "new marketplace" was developed without touching any of the code in the Magic Box, and instead tried to plug another pre-packaged solution straight into it, leading to the fun and games that have ensued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toysoldier Thor Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 Actually its not Moot since I hope the new DD Delivery will improve the sales & delivery notification reporting to state when a sale was initiated and when the order was completed with a successful delivery into the customer's inventory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ann Otoole Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 doubtful. the shopping cart will still have the same queing defects with DD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrius Gothly Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 I don't always see failures either, but I do see delays like Zanara documented every night. With that said, IMO any delivery that takes more than a few minutes is inherently a failure. We've demonstrated that the delivery slowdowns are related to a server lag issue on LL's end. It's not a fault of the Magic Boxes; they're sitting there idle waiting for commands for SLM. The Sims are not lagged, many first-person observations of their own magic boxes during the slowdown proves this. So we are receiving Direct Delivery as a solution to an overtasked server computer. /me scratches head ... Well, it's not the MOST expensive Server Upgrade I've ever seen, but it's damn close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zanara Zenovka Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 LOL Damn you Darrius - now I have to clean my screen >.< Well there are still the inherent problems of llGiveInventory(), capping, magic box muting - altho we're finally getting a confirmation for llGiveMoney(), so there is hope for llGiveInventoryWithReceipt() ... But..um...yeah... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zanara Zenovka Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 btw I still don't think it's "lag" as such. I think some other process is going "screw you guys, I'm taking over for the next xx min" - the time delays are too regular - all multiples of 15-30 min. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrius Gothly Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 (Pssst ... not to feed Josh or anything, but what you wanna bet they delay llTransferInventory() until after DD is released. If they released llTransferInventory that worked like the new validated transfer money function, there would be no reason not to design a new Magic Box .. in about 2 days. And THAT would spell the end of DD altogether.) Josh? You didn't read this. These are not the Conspiracy Theories you're looking for. Now .. move along ... *wink* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrius Gothly Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Agreed .. or they've got the time slice on that machine set WAY wrong. ROFL! But no matter what is consuming the machine, whether it be a rude greedy task with bad table manners or a coalition of smaller but equally greedy sub-tasks ... that computer is overtasked and needs to be load balanced better. If it turns out to be a DBMS Maintenance issue .. OMFG!! (beats forehead on nearest tape drive ... ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toysoldier Thor Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Darrius Gothly wrote: I don't always see failures either, but I do see delays like Zanara documented every night. With that said, IMO any delivery that takes more than a few minutes is inherently a failure. We've demonstrated that the delivery slowdowns are related to a server lag issue on LL's end. It's not a fault of the Magic Boxes; they're sitting there idle waiting for commands for SLM. The Sims are not lagged, many first-person observations of their own magic boxes during the slowdown proves this. So we are receiving Direct Delivery as a solution to an overtasked server computer. /me scratches head ... Well, it's not the MOST expensive Server Upgrade I've ever seen, but it's damn close. LOL Darrius.... you posted exactly what was in my head ! So this set of testing from Zanara and others make it very clear the "ALL EVIL" Magicboxes are not so evil and are moreso the Scapegoats of delivery delays / failures that are being caused by LL servers. And since LL could not perform their own diagnostic set of tests on the root cause to these long standing delivery complaints, they decide instead to develop a high priced, LL resource intensive, and very likely Merchant disruptive DD solution. All they had to do was upgrade a server or change a backend system process. And if it is a Server / backend process problem, DD will likely be impacted by the same resource constraints. That is the LL that we know and love ! Chances are that LL wanted to play and experiment with DD and just used the delivery failures complaints as the excuse to PLAY. This is not the first time LL Commerce has devised a crazy development solution and blamed its need on a problem they promoted.... Remember the FREEBIES / CLUTTER REDUCTION TAXES and the system that was gonna be developed around that before they realized themselves it was technically impossible to build with XSTREET (what we all told them on day 1)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zanara Zenovka Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Toysoldier Thor wrote: Darrius Gothly wrote: I don't always see failures either, but I do see delays like Zanara documented every night. With that said, IMO any delivery that takes more than a few minutes is inherently a failure. We've demonstrated that the delivery slowdowns are related to a server lag issue on LL's end. It's not a fault of the Magic Boxes; they're sitting there idle waiting for commands for SLM. The Sims are not lagged, many first-person observations of their own magic boxes during the slowdown proves this. So we are receiving Direct Delivery as a solution to an overtasked server computer. /me scratches head ... Well, it's not the MOST expensive Server Upgrade I've ever seen, but it's damn close. LOL Darrius.... you posted exactly what was in my head ! So this set of testing from Zanara and others make it very clear the "ALL EVIL" Magicboxes are not so evil and are moreso the Scapegoats of delivery delays / failures that are being caused by LL servers. Oh Darrius - you went and woke the other one up - now we'll never get them down... Toy - I don't think everyone thought the MBs in themselves were a problem - they weren't the thing that changed. MBs still have the same problems (as I mentioned) that they had back in SLX days (and pretty much the same scripts ;p).. But yes the slm "team" from the days of the Great Migration liked to blame a bit on them and it's escalated from there. Where it all went pear-shaped was the attempt the merge them with spree - shopping cart, convoluted communication procedures, and why a delivery system that required less back and forth would fit with the current website better... Perhaps since enough time was being wasted elsewhere? Software discussion? Google is your friend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dartagan Shepherd Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Was originally hoping for a re-write to be a fully integrated system, products being locked to an object. Something centralized like a web based system using Capabilities. Writing a shopping cart on top of that from scratch would have been more trivial and products could have been used/displayed anywhere ... in the viewer, external websites and basically be able to be mashed up with other SL stuff. Indicates that part of the problem is approaching design piecemeal as opposed to global integrated product. Scaling those product/CAPs servers would have been easier in the long run, besides the benefits. Maybe Direct Delivery will get one side of that done once that's in place and the Spree shopping cart can go in favor of a more custom solution that's a proper part of the whole SL system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharie Criss Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 "They need to move the midnight chores OFF that machine and put them on one of the empty Sim servers they have .. unless they aren't powerful enough to handle the job." Well, clearly they aren't They aren't powerful enough to handle a typical region now! I can't find any hard documentation on the hardware used, but the class 5 servers (which my sim was on when I bought it) were old AMD dual CPU dual core boxes with 4G ram and a SATA drive. I've read some articles that suggest that sims are now virtualized on much beefier boxes but many more to a physical server and thus performance is even worse than it used to be. But as I said, no hard facts on this. I would love to know. For the amount of money I'm spending on my full region, I could rent a fairly high-end server in a datacenter. with lots of bandwidth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Susanto Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 >not to feed Josh or anything Actually, I've finally realized that my only problem, ever, has been just not trusting everybody enough. Now I'm quite confident that Direct Delivery will mesh-enlarge my br3a5ts and p3n1s, and finally allow me to help Prince Kako get his inheritance out that deposit box on the Nigeria sim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zanara Zenovka Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 Bumping this. https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/WEB-4260 Well established now that deliveries between midnight and 5am are consistantly delayed every morning as in the following data collection: Order number / Purchase / Deliver / Paid (Conf email) / Total 1284395735 09:10 pm / 09:11 pm / 09:11 pm / Total = 1 minute 1284397710 10:04 pm / 10:05 pm / 10:05 pm / Total = 1 minute 1284399661 11:04 pm / 11:05 pm / 11:06 pm / Total = 2 minutes 1284401622 12:13 am / 12:24 am / 12:28 am / Total = 15 minutes 1284403905 01:46 am / 02:24 am / 02:49 am / Total = 63 minutes 1284403566 02:24 am / 03:02 am / 03:28 am / Total = 64 minutes 1284405308 02:42 am / 03:28 am / 03:45 am / Total = 63 minutes 1284407032 03:47 am / 04:44 am / 04:50 am / Total = 63 minutes 1284408679 04:43 am / 05:02 am / 05:15 am / Total = 32 minutes 1284410120 05:30 am / 05:31 am / 05:31 am / Total = 1 minute 1284411290 06:04 am / 06:05 am / 06:05 am / Total = 1 minute Please vote/watch on this jira and add any comments/data you can (voting in iteself doesn't count much any more) To get your own data on delays, check the difference between the time on the SLM order history (under reports >orders)... November 16, 2011 02:24 am PST 1284403566ArtiZan Friends List Export - Order Item ID: 44721389SKU: Az-F1 Buyer name 190 Delivered 10 0 180 and your payment from the SL transaction records (or confirmation email): 11/16/2011 03:28:02 f7f31380 Source: Commerce Linden MKT2 Item Sale Description: Order #1284403566, Item #392904 (Buyer name) L$180 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sassy Romano Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 Sorry, had to shout the change of subject. It might be early hours US but this impacts the European morning, every single day which means it impacts the further East during their afternoon peak shopping times and ever further East during their evenings. Not really acceptable is it MP staff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samara Sharkfin Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 It's on Reddit now Would be nice if they would warn about it on the MP mainpage... (still waiting for my new shoes) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrius Gothly Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 *BUMP* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zanara Zenovka Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 hmm...socially awkward penguin wonders whether to reply from usual reddit account or create SL only one... hates it when virtual worlds collide... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Valentine Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 I get failed deliveries at night but everytime its a failure its cus the customer has used the rusty broken 3 wheeled SHOPPING cart its always multiple items and always always when they have used this stupid piece of junk shopping cart that lindens know is broken knows that second life scripting speeds cannot handle this fast of deliveries at one time..........please stop delaying our shopping and round file the damn shopping cart!!..everytime i have had a failure its cus they used shopping cart...when i am shopping myself its always delayed delivery after midnight ,,before that its usualy fast (i always use the buy now button) one item at a time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmilingFyn Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 yea just say it the custumers fail that the markets not function, not working. i'm think it rather the LL workers at the market that have decide to have an extra long coffee break or something , with other word they are to lazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee Miggins Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 moved the box to another sim..its giving me headaches too..not showing my products on the store help pls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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