Love Zhaoying Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 The TOS Changes are GOOD. A few Points and assumptions: The TOS Changes are for Human avatars. Not Tinies, Dinkies, Nekos, Furries. The TOS Changes are NOT taking away current Adult rights on "M" land. The TOS Changes need clarification on "what constitutes a child avatar", and "how will the new rules about Modesty panels be applied", among others. These keep coming up. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 Reading more about this term 'AP'....there were some nuances I didn't understand: https://prostasia.org/blog/*****-is-for-adults/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zalificent Corvinus Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 1 minute ago, Luna Bliss said: Thinking about a scenario I posed earlier, I think it's a shame that two adults can't roleplay being teenagers in love in SL. I hope if they're found in violation it would be treated less harshly via the TOS than would a much older person in sexual contact with a child or teen. They can para RP being in love all they want, as long as the clothes stay on and they don't do anything illegal. If they strip and shag, their accounts are toast. And rightly so. 7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Trihey Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said: Thinking about a scenario I posed earlier, I think it's a shame that two adults can't roleplay being teenagers in love in SL. I hope if they're found in violation it would be treated less harshly via the TOS than would a much older person in sexual contact with a child or teen. People role play teenagers in love all the time. Just gotta leave out that icky adult stuff. No per-marital hand holding either. Pre-marital hand holding is a sin. Edited May 8 by Leslie Trihey 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Paul Hexem said: 5 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said: Thinking about a scenario I posed earlier, I think it's a shame that two adults can't roleplay being teenagers in love in SL. I hope if they're found in violation it would be treated less harshly via the TOS than would a much older person in sexual contact with a child or teen. Didn't I say to you once that SL is a terrible platform for therapy? This is another great example. I think SL is a great platform for exploring and better understanding one's self and identity. I would not call this 'therapy' really...not in the official sense anyway.. Edited May 8 by Luna Bliss 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 3 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said: Thinking about a scenario I posed earlier, I think it's a shame that two adults can't roleplay being teenagers in love in SL. I hope if they're found in violation it would be treated less harshly via the TOS than would a much older person in sexual contact with a child or teen. Literally, if they stick to the correctly rated Regions - and follow the TOS about "modesty" and "not wearing genitals", why would there be a problem with the TOS? Being "In Love" has nothing to do with sexual contact. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 2 minutes ago, Zalificent Corvinus said: 5 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said: Thinking about a scenario I posed earlier, I think it's a shame that two adults can't roleplay being teenagers in love in SL. I hope if they're found in violation it would be treated less harshly via the TOS than would a much older person in sexual contact with a child or teen. They can para RP being in love all they want, as long as the clothes stay on and they don't do anything illegal. If they strip and shag, their accounts are toast. And rightly so. So they could be sexual in text and not break any rules? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 2 minutes ago, Leslie Trihey said: No per-marital hand holding either. Pre-marital hand holding is a sin. This is patently untrue, at least ever since the Beatles. It would never make it into the TOS. You're making a joke! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Persephone Emerald Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 3 minutes ago, Ayashe Ninetails said: I agree, and I also believe at least some of this can be cleared up in the TOS by specifying whether or not teen avatars require modesty layers. If it turns out that no, anyone using an adult body to present as 13-17+ does not need modesty layers built-in (but should do this and/or this instead), we can pretty much drop all this goofy hair panic because at that point, we're talking about a very specific set of bodies. It seems to me that if someone were using a mesh body intended for adult avatars (eg. Maitreya, Reborn, Legacy, Belleza, Slink, Erika, etc.), but they look young, short and "child-like", it would be reasonable for them to state in their profile that their avatar is a short adult. Sim owners & managers can still boot them, but they would be able to "prove" to Governance that they're using an adult body. Since LL probably doesn't really care about how teen-presenting avatars behave, I don't think they'll act on an AR against teen-avatars unless there is other evidence to show that they are presenting as a minor. Same with anime. Post in your profile that your avatar is an adult and then don't do or say other things to make it look like your avatar is actually a child. If someone chooses to engage in sexual behavior while presenting as "child-like" or "teen-like" they risk losing their account, but if they're just at a club or wherever on Moderate land, they should probably be safe. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 4 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said: Reading more about this term 'AP'....there were some nuances I didn't understand: https://prostasia.org/blog/*****-is-for-adults/ .."thanks" for sharing.. HELP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowan Amore Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 Just wow 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 4 minutes ago, Leslie Trihey said: 7 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said: Thinking about a scenario I posed earlier, I think it's a shame that two adults can't roleplay being teenagers in love in SL. I hope if they're found in violation it would be treated less harshly via the TOS than would a much older person in sexual contact with a child or teen. People role play teenagers in love all the time. Just gotta leave out that icky adult stuff. No per-marital hand holding either. Pre-marital hand holding is a sin. What about sex via text? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starberry Passion Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 1 minute ago, Luna Bliss said: I think SL is a great platform for exploring and better understanding one's self...their identity. I would not call this 'therapy' really...not in the official sense anyway.. Second life is Therapeutic, or was seen, because of the fact it says you can be anyone you want, do anything you want, your world your imagination. To many, the imagination is therapeutic. Over time, this became more and more pushed aside for more realistic views and fantasy and imagination have been pushed aside, now it's just avatars standing around afk, looking at IMs or playing a video game or watching youtube with many standing in their homes or the usual hang out sim. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Sharkfin Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 1 minute ago, Luna Bliss said: So they could be sexual in text and not break any rules? That, I suspect, would be a very slippery slope. I'd say that since they are both playing characters who identify as being non-adult and under the age of consent, LL would take a very dim view of any type of sexual content that they engage in, whether it be in-world actions or merely typing, it's all on LL's platform. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zalificent Corvinus Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 2 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said: So they could be sexual in text and not break any rules? Oh they are breaking rules, but if it's an Im they are less likely to be caught and banned. Not "wont be caught and banned" just less likely. Somebody sees them standing too close together, silent and unmoving for a long time, files an AR, Governance check the server logs, accounts are toast. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Trihey Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 Just now, Love Zhaoying said: This is patently untrue, at least ever since the Beatles. It would never make it into the TOS. You're making a joke! Yeah it's an ancient long running anime community joke. lol. 😛 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowan Amore Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 Engaging or trying to engage a child or child-presenting avatar in a sexually explicit conversation. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErwinVonVlotho Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 25 minutes ago, Ayashe Ninetails said: I agree, and I also believe at least some of this can be cleared up in the TOS by specifying whether or not teen avatars require modesty layers. If it turns out that no, anyone using an adult body to present as 13-17+ does not need modesty layers built-in (but should do this and/or this instead), we can pretty much drop all this goofy hair panic because at that point, we're talking about a very specific set of bodies. I think we can take it as read that any avatar that appears to be under 18 is going to require modestly layers, whatever body they're using. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 Just now, Fluffy Sharkfin said: 3 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said: So they could be sexual in text and not break any rules? That, I suspect, would be a very slippery slope. IF either person reports it then..either they are both in trouble, or the person who goes "beyond the pale", from "petting" to "no-no's" could be in trouble. I hope that sounds like a fair interpretation. TEXT (what people type) is reportable - even if the avatars themselves are not "doing anything bad" (animation-wise). I could be wrong, if "TEXT" is not seen as a "depiction". WOW! * mind blown * Or: It could depend on the situation. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee Pancake Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 So we’re reporting child avatars for existing. Just in case they might be in IM. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 1 minute ago, Starberry Passion said: 4 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said: I think SL is a great platform for exploring and better understanding one's self...their identity. I would not call this 'therapy' really...not in the official sense anyway.. Second life is Therapeutic, or was seen, because of the fact it says you can be anyone you want, do anything you want, your world your imagination. To many, the imagination is therapeutic. Over time, this became more and more pushed aside for more realistic views and fantasy and imagination have been pushed aside, now it's just avatars standing around afk, looking at IMs or playing a video game or watching youtube with many standing in their homes or the usual hang out sim. This isn't true for those I hang around. Most I know use SL to explore who they are on some level and/or to enhance who they are. I haven't encountered the 'teens in love' scenario I described though, but likely it exists somewhere out there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theresa Tennyson Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 3 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said: What about sex via text? "What about leaving written documentation of your TOS violation?" 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Trihey Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 3 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said: What about sex via text? Gotta keep it pg-13. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 1 minute ago, Rowan Amore said: Engaging or trying to engage a child or child-presenting avatar in a sexually explicit conversation. The confusing part to me is, if they are "both consenting", and "both same-age". Doesn't make it OK. I suppose it's not ours to "judge", but this is where we "ask" what's OK. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErwinVonVlotho Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 12 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said: I think it's a shame that two adults can't roleplay being teenagers in love in SL. Of course they can roleplay being teenagers in love. They just can't roleplay being teenagers in bed - and nor should they. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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