Daniel Regenbogen Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 Still running in circles here. Maybe this will count as a fresh thought: Maybe some groups in SL (and maybe LL themselves) should be praying that these changes do *not* stop sexual *****! Heck, maybe LL went for such useless measures to make sure of that? What will happen if that target is gone? What if the public eye starts looking at other areas? What if the public realizes that sexual ***** was a nasty but tiny portion of SL, while things like prostitution, casual sex of all colors, pornography, rape, cannibalism, satan worship, bdsm, slavery, torture, mutilation, fetish play of all kinds, murder and so on are active on a much broader scale? It's all about public image and what it can do to a company, right? Maybe SL/LL needs this target to make it less likely that all these other things are dragged into daylight? Once in a while, when this target pops up in the public eye again, doing something that doesn't change anything but looks good in the public eye seems to be a good idea suddenly. (Sadly necessary) disclaimer: No, sexual ***** is *not* okay. Child avatars should not use adult content or participate in adult actions. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starberry Passion Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 I am a firm believer of evidence, if there isn't enough evidence then I don't believe it. I need to see several evidence in order to know. I won't just condemn anyone until I am looking at proof of what happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brodiac90 Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 1 minute ago, Monika Skydancer said: Eh no. There's plenty places I can't wear my old pole dancer outfits. Don't mean I'm banned from those places, just that I gotta change before I go there. Same thing here. Nobody's talking about banning anyone from anywhere on the grid, they just gotta change before they go there. How comfortable would you be playing a child avatar? Or someone of the opposite sex, or orientation? Or being a furry or a vampire or werewolf, etc. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monika Skydancer Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 2 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said: This is equating an identity with an item of clothing. Being a child avatar is not the same as wearing a crop top. This is SL. A child avatar is an item of clothing. You can take it off & put on another one. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arielle Popstar Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 4 minutes ago, Monika Skydancer said: Eh no. There's plenty places I can't wear my old pole dancer outfits. Don't mean I'm banned from those places, just that I gotta change before I go there. Same thing here. Nobody's talking about banning anyone from anywhere on the grid, they just gotta change before they go there. There have been more then a few posts of people who'd be more then happy to rid the whole grid of any and all younger appearing avatars so your comments belie the words of a few in here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brodiac90 Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 Just now, Monika Skydancer said: This is SL. A child avatar is an item of clothing. You can take it off & put on another one. It's called an avatar for a reason. Look up what the word means 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 * steps away, hoping SOMEONE picks up the mantle * 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monika Skydancer Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 2 minutes ago, brodiac90 said: How comfortable would you be playing a child avatar? Or someone of the opposite sex, or orientation? Or being a furry or a vampire or werewolf, etc. I wouldn't, cause I'm a human adult. Just like you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starberry Passion Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 Just now, Monika Skydancer said: This is SL. A child avatar is an item of clothing. You can take it off & put on another one. Technically true... The real avatar is the Linden Avatar inside of us all. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starberry Passion Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 1 minute ago, Monika Skydancer said: I wouldn't, cause I'm a human adult. Just like you are. Second life is a place of Fantasy, you don't have to be a human, but if you want to then that is fine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalagitagirl Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 Still these LL policy is confusing and misleading, since the early days of SL and up to now there not really doing a good job on it, but i didn't say there not doing there job. It's just there's also a fine line between a child and a teen and they didn't really scale an estimate or specify on how really a young SL avatar must be to go simply anywhere, and just pressing the issue again and again and blaming the young SL avatar community and linking them to as many they can put a pressure on them. Even they and always stayed in PG almost as so long ever since beta up to now. It's the ppl who victimize them and grief them on purpose. Why LL haven't punish the ppl doing the intentional griefing and sexualizing Avatar children. Since even back then when LL and the young Avatar community are ask to meet in court jury in RL where always present to settle disagreement and conflict. Together with a guardian and a lawyer. Or it's like these if there really serious in clearing the issue, put a policy on the young child and teen Avatar creator to first get a license in RL signed by a attorney in there state or city in there country there at. Before they can sell or market child and teen avatar skins and shapes, mesh especially petite slim SL avatar. And it's not really the age it's how the avatar present themselves and look like inworld in SL. As for the young avatar teen community if they look more younger as possibly even if there avatar is at 18 to 19 year old inworld is still at fault for visiting a adult sim store just to buy clothes and accessories even there at minimal interaction as much as possible to there surrounding and leave as soon as possible after purchase. or even just opening the adult marketplace in there browser while the avatar are still in PG sim. So meaning even purchasing the token aka. L$ linden dollar is not allowed in lindenX since it's a adult stuff using our own credit card and paypal account. even with a signed permission from our bank. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arielle Popstar Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 4 minutes ago, Starberry Passion said: I am a firm believer of evidence, if there isn't enough evidence then I don't believe it. I need to see several evidence in order to know. I won't just condemn anyone until I am looking at proof of what happened. Personally my own virtual life is busy enough I don't have time or interest to minutely inspect another if they measure up to all the ToS requirements. How small does one's virtual AND R/L have to be that doing so would be a legit pastime? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theresa Tennyson Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 Just now, Arielle Popstar said: Personally my own virtual life is busy enough I don't have time or interest to minutely inspect another if they measure up to all the ToS requirements. How small does one's virtual AND R/L have to be that doing so would be a legit pastime? Wouldn't that also mean that you shouldn't comment about whether they are or not?: 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathlen Onyx Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 The modesty layers are there for the protection of Child avatars not punishment. It's so dirty ole...don't appear nude in front of people. Why can't people see the reasoning for it. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starberry Passion Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 3 minutes ago, Dalagitagirl said: Still these LL policy is confusing and misleading, since the early days of SL and up to now there not really doing a good job on it, but i didn't say there not doing there job. It's just there's also a fine line between a child and a teen and they didn't really scale an estimate or specify on how really a young SL avatar must be to go simply anywhere, and just pressing the issue again and again and blaming the young SL avatar community and linking them to as many they can put a pressure on them. Even they and always stayed in PG almost as so long ever since beta up to now. It's the ppl who victimize them and grief them on purpose. Why LL haven't punish the ppl doing the intentional griefing and sexualizing Avatar children. Since even back then when LL and the young Avatar community are ask to meet in court jury in RL where always present to settle disagreement and conflict. Together with a guardian and a lawyer. Or it's like these if there really serious in clearing the issue, put a policy on the young child and teen Avatar creator to first get a license in RL signed by a attorney in there state or city in there country there at. Before they can sell or market child and teen avatar skins and shapes, mesh especially petite slim SL avatar. And it's not really the age it's how the avatar present themselves and look like inworld in SL. As for the young avatar teen community if they look more younger as possibly even if there avatar is at 18 to 19 year old inworld is still at fault for visiting a adult sim store just to buy clothes and accessories even there at minimal interaction as much as possible to there surrounding and leave as soon as possible after purchase. or even just opening the adult marketplace in there browser while the avatar are still in PG sim. So meaning even purchasing the token aka. L$ linden dollar is not allowed in lindenX since it's a adult stuff using our own credit card and paypal account. even with a signed permission from our bank. Petite has nothing to do with child avatar, they already said that. Slim and Petite and Height, has nothing to do with child avatar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arielle Popstar Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 Just now, Theresa Tennyson said: Wouldn't that also mean that you shouldn't comment about whether they are or not?: Takes much less time to comment then do an investigation to see if another measures up to the required standards. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiritSparrow Skydancer Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 (edited) 5 hours ago, Katherine Heartsong said: I'm not understanding? If I had a child avatar (I don't, just me and a cat, and the rest of TWI's animals) and I TPed to a Moderate region to an event that did not in any way in the description suggest there'd be nudity and I stumble into a burning man style pagan nudist dance, I go "Oopsie" and leave. There is no way that I'd get into trouble for that because even if someone saw me appear for the brief 5–10 seconds I did and reported me, Linden would also see: a) event wasn't listed as a nude event, and b) arrived after it started, and c) stayed fore less than 15 seconds and left. Tell me, does anyone honestly think I'd get into trouble for that? Look before you leap, use your best judgement, and if something weird like that happened, the kid avatar is not in the wrong and won't be punished. If anyone says to me, "Yes they will cause against ToS!!!" then I've got nothing for you because you're just being stubborn and not using your common sense. Or did I just rant a bit there without understanding the issue? (And haven't we already figured out that shopping in a Moderate region or at an event that might have naked skin posters or overtly sexualized clothing posters at a vendors booth is not going to get you into trouble because your experience is shopping not looking to be sexy? Or is that one of the things that needs clarifying still and not in the FAQ?) More often than not, when you teleport into a region with many avatars they do not fully rez. Their skin rezzes first, then clothing.. So, nipples and baked on genitalia is shown.. then by way of how fast your internet is... Your avatar then rezzes. (mine is slow since I upgraded with spectrum - built in rant) (and often I can go 10 minutes at a packed event before people start rezzing clothing...) My initial complaint, and one I have voiced before was that there "could" be something done about this problem. (not everyone wears panties and bra, which would FIX a lot of it) Its a big turn off for me seeing headless (or reversaed faces) bodies with big asses and ***** or John doe with .. well it is traumatizing to say the least! Imagine you want to use SL for your bible study group? Everyone is sitting around in a church and because, jane and john's computer is slow to rez.. they see naked people. If I were a bible holding Christian, that might discourage me into using SL atall. Now as for TPing into a nudist event, I would not report you if you poofed, or changed to an adult avatar. However, most events do state this and if someone sends you a lure (*unsolicited tp) Just decline until you know where you are going! Edited May 6 by SpiritSparrow Skydancer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starberry Passion Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 4 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said: Personally my own virtual life is busy enough I don't have time or interest to minutely inspect another if they measure up to all the ToS requirements. How small does one's virtual AND R/L have to be that doing so would be a legit pastime? I have no idea what you're talking about, someone asked if the person responsible was dealt with. I said no one knows if the whole thing was true or not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chery Amore Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 6 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said: This is equating an identity with an item of clothing. Being a child avatar is not the same as wearing a crop top. I kind of beg to differ with you on that. In sl I love my happy carefree "bimbo" personality. How I dress or undress is part of my identity and enjoyment of sl. I just don't see how or why I should be penalized with new rules when what I do or how I enjoy sl is not in any way shape or form associated with age. play. Unfortunately for child avatars they are stigmatized now and associated with it by default. Hence new rules. Besides I would really miss topless sailing on the Blake... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arielle Popstar Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 1 minute ago, Kathlen Onyx said: The modesty layers are there for the protection of Child avatars not punishment. It's so dirty ole...don't appear nude in front of people. Why can't people see the reasoning for it. The reasoning might be good and not that different from other platforms but the prob is that for SL reporters it is an indication that this is a child avatar and should measure up in ALL ways or the reporters can find a legit cause to AR them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiritSparrow Skydancer Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 6 hours ago, Madi Melodious said: My alt an her partner have 2 rules and I think the second rule should go in to full effect for child avatars. Real Life comes first. Never log off nude. The second one came about when my alt login region was off line and she was dumped into a "safezone", naked. It was originally meant as a joke, but now, not so funny. I was not talking about that, but those are good rules. : ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arielle Popstar Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 1 minute ago, Starberry Passion said: I have no idea what you're talking about, someone asked if the person responsible was dealt with. I said no one knows if the whole thing was true or not. No worry, my comment wasn't directed at you but simply extended from your thoughts as it regards those who like to report other residents to Governance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee Pancake Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 4 minutes ago, Kathlen Onyx said: The modesty layers are there for the protection of Child avatars not punishment. It's so dirty ole...don't appear nude in front of people. Why can't people see the reasoning for it. This is the exact argument used to prevent women wearing what they want in case it causes a man to do something untoward. 8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathlen Onyx Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 2 minutes ago, Coffee Pancake said: This is the exact argument used to prevent women wearing what they want in case it causes a man to do something untoward. NO it's because the child avatar that wants to ****play is RUN by a dirty old man/woman - whatever. Totally different. 3 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aya Sweetheart Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 9 minutes ago, Kathlen Onyx said: The modesty layers are there for the protection of Child avatars not punishment. It's so dirty ole...don't appear nude in front of people. Why can't people see the reasoning for it. The only protection LL cares about is protecting themselves for legal ramification of CP. This is not for protection of Child avatars or anyone else, or finding pedos or anything... its to prevent RL laws from being broken. 7 minutes ago, SpiritSparrow Skydancer said: More often than not, when you teleport into a region with many avatars they do not fully rez. Their skin rezzes first, then clothing.. So, nipples and baked on genitalia is shown.. then by way of how fast your internet is... Your avatar then rezzes. (mine is slow since I upgraded with spectrum - built in rant) (and often I can go 10 minutes at a packed event before people start rezzing clothing...) My initial complaint, and one I have voiced before was that there "could" be something done about this problem. (not everyone wears panties and bra, which would FIX a lot of it) Its a big turn off for me seeing headless (or reversaed faces) bodies with big asses and ***** or John doe with .. well it is traumatizing to say the least! Imagine you want to use SL for your bible study group? Everyone is sitting around in a church and because, jane and john's computer is slow to rez.. they see naked people. If I were a bible holding Christian, that might discourage me into using SL atall. Now as for TPing into a nudist event, I would not report you if you poofed, or changed to an adult avatar. However, most events do state this and if someone sends you a lure (*unsolicited tp) Just decline until you know where you are going! Do you see that all like that if you leave the option to only rez avatars who finished loading? I thought thats why they added that option and leave everyone as smoke clouds until they load. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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